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Subject: Could America successfully invade/siege China?

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Posted by: Alpha Prime
No, invasion of a nuclear power is suicidal.


The Chinese are on the "no first use" policy. They pinky promised us they wouldn't use their nukes! Haha.

  • 12.05.2012 6:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8

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Posted by: Alpha Prime
Posted by: colbyrules8
Considering, if you actually knew what you're talking about (which you don't), Chinese leaders have CLEARLY stated they would NEVER be the first to use nuclear warheads in a war.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god, because clearly the Chinese will willingly restrain themselves in the event of China getting invaded.

Even then, they barely have over 100 operational nuclear warheads, and then you are implying they are efficient enough to get all the way to the US without being tracked and shot down and hit where they wanted them to hit. Your lack of knowledge humors me.So American military technology is so advanced that no nuclear weapons could hit the US? Missle defence is like hitting one bullet with another bullet. You might get one missle or two but it is massively ineffective in general.


In the end you're just making assumptions against what their leaders have said. I'm taking their word for it, it's idiotic to use nuclear weapons against another nation that has more than you. You're minds too deep in the gaming world.


I think it's funny as hell that you are convinced that these people will 'stick to their word'.

As said earlier, the only thing stopping first use is the entire world would stomp that country into non-existence.

However, if you get a unstable moron into power, or a few countries who are well coordinated- you can bet that they will us nuclear arms.
Read my other reply. I said ," They would have to open up with them or not use them at all". I am more than willing to bet that we have intel on where each nation is keeping their warheads right now, even though we aren't even at war. Their nuclear arsenal would probably be a first major target for the US.


That's BS and you know it.

We can't even find the numerous nuclear weapons that Russia lost at the collapse of the USSR, and you think that they are hidden better than what the Chinese government can do?

All we can do is identify potential launch sites.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 6:41 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 6:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Bryanesie
We're America, -blam!- yeah we could!
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  • 12.05.2012 6:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

No first use is nothing but talk. Nothing but sheer and utter talk.

  • 12.05.2012 6:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
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Posted by: Alpha Prime
Posted by: colbyrules8
Considering, if you actually knew what you're talking about (which you don't), Chinese leaders have CLEARLY stated they would NEVER be the first to use nuclear warheads in a war.[/quote]AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh god, because clearly the Chinese will willingly restrain themselves in the event of China getting invaded.

Even then, they barely have over 100 operational nuclear warheads, and then you are implying they are efficient enough to get all the way to the US without being tracked and shot down and hit where they wanted them to hit. Your lack of knowledge humors me.[/quote]So American military technology is so advanced that no nuclear weapons could hit the US? Missle defence is like hitting one bullet with another bullet. You might get one missle or two but it is massively ineffective in general.

In the end you're just making assumptions against what their leaders have said. I'm taking their word for it, it's idiotic to use nuclear weapons against another nation that has more than you. You're minds too deep in the gaming world.


I think it's funny as hell that you are convinced that these people will 'stick to their word'.

As said earlier, the only thing stopping first use is the entire world would stomp that country into non-existence.

However, if you get a unstable moron into power, or a few countries who are well coordinated- you can bet that they will us nuclear arms.
Read my other reply. I said ," They would have to open up with them or not use them at all". I am more than willing to bet that we have intel on where each nation is keeping their warheads right now, even though we aren't even at war. Their nuclear arsenal would probably be a first major target for the US.


That's BS and you know it.

We can't even find the numerous nuclear weapons that Russia lost at the collapse of the USSR, and you think that they are hidden better than what the Chinese government can do?

All we can do is identify potential launch sites.
Those were different times, they were already well hidden before technology like what we have now came about (within our military). Are you saying we haven't been tracking the progress of the Chinese military?

  • 12.05.2012 6:43 PM PDT

That's a scary thought.

  • 12.05.2012 6:43 PM PDT

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No, China has a robust missile defense network that was able to keep the US Navy out of the South China Sea when a US Navy reconnaissance plane made an emergency landing on Hainan island (Chinese territory) a few years back.

Also, because of this, how would we get infantry into china if their missile defenses deter our Navy? We could drop paratroopers in China but that wouldn't accomplish anything without Naval and Air Superiority. There's also a chance that American bases in areas like Japan, South Korea, and Guam would be taken out by Chinese cruise missiles (yeah they have a lot of those also).

Most likely if such an event occurred USAF/USN/USMC strike aircraft would fly around the clock to try and soften their defenses on the Chinese coastlines until the US Military thinks its safe enough for US Navy vessels to land troops. There would definitely be SOF units on the ground in China gathering intel for the Military.

I'm not sure what would happen after the Military landed troops, but I'd assume there would be a constant battle for air superiority and the Chinese infantry would give American infantry a good fight. The infantry would probably try and capture Beijing. Which could be doable because Beijing is conveniently located near the coastline close to South Korea.

Taiwan might get involved also, actually they probably would be involved anyways because the only way I could see a China-America war happening is if Taiwan gets invaded.

However, if America (and possibly Taiwan) wants to be more brutal then they would drop graphite bombs over Chinese nuclear power plants. The carbon based filaments from the graphite bombs would short-circuit electrical systems in nuclear power plants causing their reactors to meltdown because they would have no way of controlling the reactor without the electrical systems.

Graphite bombs would be extremely ethically questionable because their usage would irradiate the area around the nuclear power plant much like Chernobyl.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 6:48 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
They could have any number of warheads

  • 12.05.2012 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
Those were different times, they were already well hidden before technology like what we have now came about (within our military). Are you saying we haven't been tracking the progress of the Chinese military?


Different times? Those nukes are still out there...

No where did I ever say we are not tracking them, but there is only so much that we can track.

To suggest we know where very nuke china has- or even half of them is absurd.

  • 12.05.2012 6:47 PM PDT
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Posted by: ANinjaGuardian
No, China has a robust missile defense network that was able to keep the US Navy out of the South China Sea when a US Navy reconnaissance plane made an emergency landing on Hainan island (Chinese territory) a few years back.

Also, because of this, how would we get infantry into china if their missile defenses deter our Navy? We could drop paratroopers in China but that wouldn't accomplish anything without Naval and Air Superiority. There's also a chance that American bases in areas like Japan, South Korea, and Guam would be taken out by Chinese cruise missiles (yeah they have a lot of those also).

Most likely if such an event occurred USAF/USN/USMC strike aircraft would fly around the clock to try and soften their defenses on the Chinese coastlines until the US Military thinks its safe enough for US Navy vessels to land troops. There would definitely be SOF units on the ground in China gathering intel for the Military.

I'm not sure what would happen after the Military landed troops, but I'd assume there would be a constant battle for air superiority and the Chinese infantry would give American infantry a good fight.

Taiwan might get involved also, actually they probably would be involved anyways because the only way I could see a China-America war happening is if Taiwan gets invaded.

However, if America (and possibly Taiwan) wants to be more brutal then they would drop graphite bombs over Chinese nuclear power plants. The carbon based filaments from the graphite bombs would short-circuit electrical systems in nuclear power plants causing their reactors to meltdown because they would have no way of controlling the reactor without the electrical systems.

Graphite bombs would be extremely ethically questionable because their usage would irradiate the area around the nuclear power plant much like Chernobyl.


I'm proud of you. Not only have you picked up on all the information Mags, Phil, and I have given you, you have also added your own twist to it. Also, mad respect for typing that out. I didn't have the attention span.

  • 12.05.2012 6:47 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
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ANinjaGuardian- it would take a few weeks, at most, for us to have Naval and Air superiority.

Similar info was said about Iraq right before the Gulf war, " Oh, they're one of the best in the world balbalb".

[Edited on 12.05.2012 6:49 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 6:48 PM PDT

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  • 12.05.2012 6:48 PM PDT

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[quote]Posted by: ANinjaGuardian[quote]

Current generation US Naval Ships have ample anti-missle defence capabilities.

The only doubt I have is with the supposed "carrier-killer" that China is alleged to have.

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Posted by: colbyrules8
ANinjaGuardian- it would take a few weeks, at most, for us to have Naval and Air superiority.


Too lazy to respond. Guardian, you gotz this.

  • 12.05.2012 6:49 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.

In 2004, China stated that "among the nuclear-weapon states, China... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," implying China has fewer than the United Kingdom's 200 nuclear weapons.

On top of that- In 2004 the U.S. Department of Defense assessed that China had about 20 intercontinental ballistic missiles capable of targeting the United States.

  • 12.05.2012 6:53 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: MilitaryTheorist

Posted by: colbyrules8
ANinjaGuardian- it would take a few weeks, at most, for us to have Naval and Air superiority.


Too lazy to respond. Guardian, you gotz this.
Nope, just debating to debate. That's what I do online, no point in agreeing or you won't have fun.

  • 12.05.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
ANinjaGuardian- it would take a few weeks, at most, for us to have Naval and Air superiority.


Too lazy to respond. Guardian, you gotz this.


Yeah it would take a lot longer. Their missile defenses are a lot more robust than most westerners think and their air force is a lot more robust than they were in the 60s and 70s.

Their Air Force has a lot to prove though but air superiority would still be a challenge. The PRC has the 2nd largest Air Force but they have a lot to prove, they have never been in a war which required air power so they don't have any combat experience to draw aerial tactics from so pilot training could be a factor for the PRC.

Most of the good Chinese pilots who flew against the Japanese in World War 2 were with the Nationalists so most of them fled to Taiwan. Which was why Taiwan's Air Force kicked the PRC's air force during a series of aerial skirmishes between them in the 1950s. It also helped that the Taiwanese fighters were equipped with American air to air missiles. So its safe to say Taiwan's Air Force has sufficient pilot training.

There's also the issue of maintenance, their Air Force looks intimidating, but the Chinese haven't really proved that they could keep their entire aerial fleet well maintained. Most likely they try to keep their fleet maintained like any other serious Air Force.

As for China's Navy, well their Navy is basically a missile defense system. However if this hypothetical conflict takes place in a few decades than Naval superiority could be a problem, by then the Chinese may have built up a significantly more powerful Navy.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 6:59 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 6:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8
In 2004, China stated that "among the nuclear-weapon states, China... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," implying China has fewer than the United Kingdom's 200 nuclear weapons.


Well damn guys- China must be telling the truth.

Must also mean that Iran is also not developing them too because the say they are not.

  • 12.05.2012 6:58 PM PDT

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Invade? It would be a pointless suicide mission.
Overpower? Yup. It would be a long fight, but China would not be able to hold off our air force and navy. Infantry will have to wait until a decent amount of China's forces/ defenses are leveled to the ground to be of any use, however. And if we retreated, China would not be capable of retaliation without the use of allies or nuclear weaponry.

  • 12.05.2012 7:00 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


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Posted by: colbyrules8
ANinjaGuardian- it would take a few weeks, at most, for us to have Naval and Air superiority.


Too lazy to respond. Guardian, you gotz this.


Yeah it would take a lot longer. Their missile defenses are a lot more robust than most westerners think and their air force is a lot more robust than they were in the 60s and 70s.

Their Air Force has a lot to prove though but air superiority would still be a challenge. The PRC has the 2nd largest Air Force but they have a lot to prove, they have never been in a war which required air power so they don't have any combat experience to draw aerial tactics from so pilot training could be a factor for the PRC.

Most of the good Chinese pilots who flew against the Japanese in World War 2 were with the Nationalists so most of them fled to Taiwan. Which was why Taiwan's Air Force kicked the PRC's air force during a series of aerial skirmishes between them in the 1950s. It also helped that the Taiwanese fighters were equipped with American air to air missiles.

There's also the issue of maintenance, their Air Force looks intimidating, but the Chinese haven't really proved that they could keep their entire aerial fleet well maintained. Most likely they try to keep their fleet maintained like any other serious Air Force.

As for China's Navy, well their Navy is basically a missile defense system. However if this hypothetical conflict takes place in a few decades than Naval superiority could be a problem, by then the Chinese may have built up a significantly more powerful Navy.
I doubt a nation could hold out for ten years in a conventional war with the US. While you could say,"Well, they don't have to fight conventionally", you are now using a cop-out because who would be making this hypothetical navy right in front of the US?
Also, I think people fail to realize how powerful the US could be if we went back to a manufacturing stage like we did in WWII (where people had rations and almost every factory and worker was either making weapons, ammo, and vehicles or other supplies for the troops). While you could say ," China has many more workers and factories" . That is true, but they don't have the know-how to produce supplies up to the US standards and by the time they get all of this up and running the US would more than likely have air superiority, rendering these factories useless.

  • 12.05.2012 7:03 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8
In 2004, China stated that "among the nuclear-weapon states, China... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," implying China has fewer than the United Kingdom's 200 nuclear weapons.


Well damn guys- China must be telling the truth.

Must also mean that Iran is also not developing them too because the say they are not.
Oh yeah, another assumption made by this fine member. Considering our intel backs their statements up, I don't think they're lying. Unless they have a huge underground nuclear factory where they are continuously spewing out warheads like no tomorrow.

  • 12.05.2012 7:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8


Do you really know how many products come from China?

Our economy would tank, public moral would be destroyed.

You CAN NOT win a war without popular support.

  • 12.05.2012 7:05 PM PDT

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  • 12.05.2012 7:07 PM PDT

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Posted by: colbyrules8

Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8
In 2004, China stated that "among the nuclear-weapon states, China... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," implying China has fewer than the United Kingdom's 200 nuclear weapons.


Well damn guys- China must be telling the truth.

Must also mean that Iran is also not developing them too because the say they are not.
Oh yeah, another assumption made by this fine member. Considering our intel backs their statements up, I don't think they're lying. Unless they have a huge underground nuclear factory where they are continuously spewing out warheads like no tomorrow.


Yeah, I mean, why would China lie?

How about that other article that another member posted that suggested that they have nearly 3,000?

If you are going to attack me personally, at least have some basic knowledge to back it all up.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 7:07 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 7:07 PM PDT

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  • 12.05.2012 7:07 PM PDT