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Subject: Could America successfully invade/siege China?

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8


Do you really know how many products come from China?

Our economy would tank, public moral would be destroyed.

You CAN NOT win a war without popular support.
Now you're implying that the war was started without support from the people (It could be like WWII, where they had the entire nation behind them). Most of the products coming from China are low quality and the higher quality products come from out sourcing labor and giving factories over there the know-how on how to make these items (the iphone). You're failing to see my point, that they don't have the technology to produce a navy or an air force even capable of countering the US, and that is implying they get these factories up and running without the , already established, air superiority of the US showing its might.

  • 12.05.2012 7:10 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8

Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8
In 2004, China stated that "among the nuclear-weapon states, China... possesses the smallest nuclear arsenal," implying China has fewer than the United Kingdom's 200 nuclear weapons.


Well damn guys- China must be telling the truth.

Must also mean that Iran is also not developing them too because the say they are not.
Oh yeah, another assumption made by this fine member. Considering our intel backs their statements up, I don't think they're lying. Unless they have a huge underground nuclear factory where they are continuously spewing out warheads like no tomorrow.


Yeah, I mean, why would China lie?

How about that other article that another member posted that suggested that they have nearly 3,000?

If you are going to attack me personally, at least have some basic knowledge to back it all up.
In the end, you're just making assumptions, along with that article. Sorry for that jab. Just saying, our intel backs up their statements.

  • 12.05.2012 7:13 PM PDT

1v1? yeah.

Realistically...No.

  • 12.05.2012 7:13 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: colbyrules8

Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8


Do you really know how many products come from China?

Our economy would tank, public moral would be destroyed.

You CAN NOT win a war without popular support.
Now you're implying that the war was started without support from the people (It could be like WWII, where they had the entire nation behind them). Most of the products coming from China are low quality and the higher quality products come from out sourcing labor and giving factories over there the know-how on how to make these items (the iphone). You're failing to see my point, that they don't have the technology to produce a navy or an air force even capable of countering the US, and that is implying they get these factories up and running without the , already established, air superiority of the US showing its might.


My god man, read some history!

WWI started with the most popular support seen in ages- look how that worked out- a few years in and people were begging to end it.

WWII started with mild popular support and ended with people again, miffed as all hell.

Look at this current 'war' for another example.

Mate, once you destroy their infrastructure, you are going to have a hell of a time fighting Guerrillas without starving their entire population which would be considered unacceptable to western civilisations.

Going back to public support, simple fact is America cannot take another long war that WILL have massive casualties. There would be a draft- and there would be civil unrest.

Edit: Let me reiterate that while I think it is possible, in the end- the damage done to the US would be so large that we would have essentially shot ourselves in the gut and are just going to bleed out.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 7:18 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 7:14 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: colbyrules8
In the end, you're just making assumptions, along with that article. Sorry for that jab. Just saying, our intel backs up their statements.


The article is not making baseless assumptions and it is not written by a guy with no experience.- hence why the govt. is taking this seriously.

  • 12.05.2012 7:15 PM PDT

In memory of those fallen in the defense of Earth and her colonies.

March 3, 2553


Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
No. Not successfully.

  • 12.05.2012 7:19 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.

This thread is a prime example of why nobody takes any of you idiots seriously. You're honestly the laughing stock of this entire community.

All I've seen in this thread are pseudo-intellectuals who rely on false and often outdated Wikipedia knowledge to put on a ruse to make the rest of the crowd believe they know squat about military engagements and international affairs.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about, and I'm sitting behind my computer screen grinning right now because those of you reading this know that you're wrong, and that I'm right about you.

Tip for the future, you clowns, hold your tongue on topics you have the least understanding of.

  • 12.05.2012 7:19 PM PDT

Yes

  • 12.05.2012 7:21 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: I Em I Raptor
This thread is a prime example of why nobody takes any of you idiots seriously. You're honestly the laughing stock of this entire community.

All I've seen in this thread are pseudo-intellectuals who rely on false and often outdated Wikipedia knowledge to put on a ruse to make the rest of the crowd believe they know squat about military engagements and international affairs.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about, and I'm sitting behind my computer screen grinning right now because those of you reading this know that you're wrong, and that I'm right about you.

Tip for the future, you clowns, hold your tongue on topics you have the least understanding of.


Ah attacks! Don't I love those, if you have something to say, say it.

Your knowledge, or lack of, is not exactly showing through that post.

  • 12.05.2012 7:21 PM PDT
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We are determined that before the sun sets on this terrible struggle our flag will be recognized throughout the world as a symbol of freedom on the one hand and of overwhelming force on the other.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
This thread is a prime example of why nobody takes any of you idiots seriously. You're honestly the laughing stock of this entire community.

All I've seen in this thread are pseudo-intellectuals who rely on false and often outdated Wikipedia knowledge to put on a ruse to make the rest of the crowd believe they know squat about military engagements and international affairs.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about, and I'm sitting behind my computer screen grinning right now because those of you reading this know that you're wrong, and that I'm right about you.

Tip for the future, you clowns, hold your tongue on topics you have the least understanding of.


Ah attacks! Don't I love those, if you have something to say, say it.

Your knowledge, or lack of, is not exactly showing through that post.


I've already contributed my post, which was promptly skimmed over by the fools blabbering about mass infantry and economics.

  • 12.05.2012 7:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter



Posted by: colbyrules8
[/quote]

Do you really know how many products come from China?

Our economy would tank, public moral would be destroyed.

You CAN NOT win a war without popular support.[/quote] Now you're implying that the war was started without support from the people (It could be like WWII, where they had the entire nation behind them). Most of the products coming from China are low quality and the higher quality products come from out sourcing labor and giving factories over there the know-how on how to make these items (the iphone). You're failing to see my point, that they don't have the technology to produce a navy or an air force even capable of countering the US, and that is implying they get these factories up and running without the , already established, air superiority of the US showing its might.


My god man, read some history!

WWI started with the most popular support seen in ages- look how that worked out- a few years in and people were begging to end it.

WWII started with mild popular support and ended with people again, miffed as all hell.

Look at this current 'war' for another example.

Mate, once you destroy their infrastructure, you are going to have a hell of a time fighting Guerrillas without starving their entire population which would be considered unacceptable to western civilisations.

Going back to public support, simple fact is America cannot take another long war that WILL have massive casualties. There would be a draft- and there would be civil unrest.

Edit: Let me reiterate that while I think it is possible, in the end- the damage done to the US would be so large that we would have essentially shot ourselves in the gut and are just going to bleed out.
You're honestly sitting there saying that there were quite a few people that opposed the war during WWII? I'm not debating that people had low morale at the end.

Why couldn't we have another long war? You do know that more people have committed suicide within our military than died over the entire Iraq War (including the war on terror). I take it you are referring to our economy, I'm not too great here but from what I see, the moment the US steps in with China, all debt will be cancelled (I understand that wouldn't help out during the war though). From what I can see, the US could just run a single bombing raid on China (implying that China did something that was deserving of an invasion) and just pull back to the US and say ," All debt is void, good job china". That would be a nice troll by the US.

  • 12.05.2012 7:24 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: I Em I Raptor
This thread is a prime example of why nobody takes any of you idiots seriously. You're honestly the laughing stock of this entire community.

All I've seen in this thread are pseudo-intellectuals who rely on false and often outdated Wikipedia knowledge to put on a ruse to make the rest of the crowd believe they know squat about military engagements and international affairs.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about, and I'm sitting behind my computer screen grinning right now because those of you reading this know that you're wrong, and that I'm right about you.

Tip for the future, you clowns, hold your tongue on topics you have the least understanding of.
This actually relates to me on this topic. I did say earlier that I am just debating to debate because agreeing doesn't bring me enjoyment. Props to you for sniffing me out.

  • 12.05.2012 7:26 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: I Em I Raptor

Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: I Em I Raptor
This thread is a prime example of why nobody takes any of you idiots seriously. You're honestly the laughing stock of this entire community.

All I've seen in this thread are pseudo-intellectuals who rely on false and often outdated Wikipedia knowledge to put on a ruse to make the rest of the crowd believe they know squat about military engagements and international affairs.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about, and I'm sitting behind my computer screen grinning right now because those of you reading this know that you're wrong, and that I'm right about you.

Tip for the future, you clowns, hold your tongue on topics you have the least understanding of.


Ah attacks! Don't I love those, if you have something to say, say it.

Your knowledge, or lack of, is not exactly showing through that post.


I've already contributed my post, which was promptly skimmed over by the fools blabbering about mass infantry and economics.


It's foolish to say that the only thing China has going for it is it's costal batteries and missiles.

  • 12.05.2012 7:26 PM PDT

Stop being a lazy ass and stop trolling through the forums, play video games!

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer, there are so many factors that could effect the outcome of the invasion. Just my opinion, but I honestly think America could win because of technology and blockades, if Anti-missile systems are a gamble, so are anti-ship missile. Just use tomahawks or cruise missiles to take out their missile defense (I don't know if that would work). Then just use kill-boxes like in Desert Storm and bomb the hell out of their stuff hastily like blitzkrieg. But who knows.

Take your rage out on pillows or walls or something instead of mindless arguing guys, no need to insult.

  • 12.05.2012 7:27 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: colbyrules8
You're honestly sitting there saying that there were quite a few people that opposed the war during WWII? I'm not debating that people had low morale at the end.


Yes, yes I am.


Why couldn't we have another long war? You do know that more people have committed suicide within our military than died over the entire Iraq War (including the war on terror). I take it you are referring to our economy, I'm not too great here but from what I see, the moment the US steps in with China, all debt will be cancelled (I understand that wouldn't help out during the war though). From what I can see, the US could just run a single bombing raid on China (implying that China did something that was deserving of an invasion) and just pull back to the US and say ," All debt is void, good job china". That would be a nice troll by the US.


We have to borrow money from someone, we have already nearly reached the celling as it is, who are we going to borrow from? What do we have that can finance a major conflict.

Look at how much the current "conflict" has cost us.

It would take much more than a single bombing run and I am inclined to think that it would be a long drawn out war.

Of course the whole concept of war with only the US and China, let a lone even a war occurring is preposterous at this time.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 8:28 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 7:30 PM PDT

Posted by: Duardo
Not really. Your mom is over quite enough to make my fears mute.
Posted by: colbyrules8
Posted by: Duardo
Being alone.
You're a mod, you should be used to that.


Posted by: Sgt Drifter

Posted by: colbyrules8
You're honestly sitting there saying that there were quite a few people that opposed the war during WWII? I'm not debating that people had low morale at the end.[quote]

Yes, yes I am.

[quote]
Why couldn't we have another long war? You do know that more people have committed suicide within our military than died over the entire Iraq War (including the war on terror). I take it you are referring to our economy, I'm not too great here but from what I see, the moment the US steps in with China, all debt will be cancelled (I understand that wouldn't help out during the war though). From what I can see, the US could just run a single bombing raid on China (implying that China did something that was deserving of an invasion) and just pull back to the US and say ," All debt is void, good job china". That would be a nice troll by the US.


We have to borrow money from someone, we have already nearly reached the celling as it is, who are we going to borrow from? What do we have that can finance a major conflict.

Look at how much the current "conflict" has cost us.

It would take much more than a single bombing run and I am inclined to think that it would be a long drawn out war.

Of course the whole concept of war with only the US and China, let a lone even a war occurring is preposterous at this time.
Ah, you didn't catch the joke. The "one bombing run" statement was a joke.

We have many allies, now we are getting into assumptions about how the war will start. If China does something that deserves an invasion, I'm sure a few countries in Europe would be willing to lend some money.

  • 12.05.2012 7:36 PM PDT


Posted by: Dragondude8o
No, nuke it yes.

  • 12.05.2012 7:36 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay


Posted by: colbyrules8
Ah, you didn't catch the joke. The "one bombing run" statement was a joke.

We have many allies, now we are getting into assumptions about how the war will start. If China does something that deserves an invasion, I'm sure a few countries in Europe would be willing to lend some money.


Aye, I missed that one.

All we can do is make assumptions... sure the EU would help- but there are other powers that would side with China- It would quickly become a cluster -blam!- and likely a third world war.

The EU doesn't exactly have a lot of money to lend- they are having enough issues trying to get money for themselves.

  • 12.05.2012 7:38 PM PDT

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Hell yeah.

  • 12.05.2012 7:50 PM PDT

We could possibly find out tension between china and Taiwan and Japan are rising and they are both looking to the US for help. China also built up a coastal defense grid as a sort of anti-US navy thing. Then again both countries really rely on each other economically and it would be China to trigger the war the US has no reason too, China wants Taiwan and will need more resources soon. All out war would probably be China vs. US and Japan possibly no other countries would want to join on NATO might force euro countries to sign on but the could make excuses as we see with many modern conflicts today, no one really wants to step in. When countries do (US) they get blamed for the cause of the conflict. The result could go anyway, for sure the US would not lose but they might not accomplish their goals too.

  • 12.05.2012 8:21 PM PDT

No. All I see in this thread are delusional people who think America is a god-like force.

EDIT: Sorry, besiege it: quite probably but it would be an enormous and difficult task.
Invade and occupy: No.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 9:04 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 9:01 PM PDT
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Yes.

I don't see how we could actually occupy it though. We probably wouldn't.

  • 12.05.2012 9:02 PM PDT

Its not but no other countries really compare with its technologies, Russia does with similar reliability but it does not put in the same effort in massing its arson and global prestige. The US influences the world in more ways than we will ever know. China has the world's largest population but a lot of them want to pursue a better life in a country like the US. Also it does not have the same success in developing military technologies because it is decades behind in trying. In the past it relied on USSR imports but now when it needs to be self sufficient it is not up to speed with the rest of the world. Today's China is getting closer everyday to being as powerful as the US but for now is behind.

  • 12.05.2012 9:11 PM PDT

Do you know what siege means?

  • 12.05.2012 9:28 PM PDT


Posted by: ugoindown44
Do you know what siege means?

I don't think he does.

  • 12.05.2012 9:30 PM PDT