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Subject: Halo 5 - A Few Things To Look At (Spoilers)

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

I am well aware that there is already a Halo 5 speculation thread. I had my own that was up today, but I will not bump it, and posting in the other thread I doubt anyone will bother to read such a long post.

That all said and done lets get down to a few facts. In the Forerunner saga it is revealed that humans after the Human-Forerunner war were implanted with a marking by the Librarian. This marking could be one of two things; A Geas, or the memories of an ancient human. A Geas is essentially a beacon that when activated would draw the individual implanted with it towards it. When ignored the individual will become weak to a point of near death, eventually having to follow the "signal". Then there were the ancient human memories.

The composer in Halo 4 is for some reason extremely different from the one depicted in the novels. In the novels both Forerunners and Humans could be composed into what was essentially a "ghost" of their memories. They could then be placed either inside of a machine, such as a monitor, or they could be placed into the mind of the current humans. When implanted into the human they lie dormant until an activation is triggered by some event. Once awakened they can communicate with their host, and if allowed to/they gain enough power to they can take over the host body and use it as their own.

As we all know, or should know at least should know, Master Chief was given a sort of "upgrade" by the librarian. It was never explained exactly what was done, other than he is now immune to the composer, and that he can defeat the Didact with this upgrade. My thought is that maybe he was implanted with a dormant ancient human, one that will be awakened next game to fill the void where Cortana was. This would help to explain her death and also create a new set of challenges for Chief. This ancient would most likely be of high military standing and would perhaps put Chief into a power struggle within his own head.

If it would happen to be the memories of any ancient from the novels they would have knowledge of every Forerunner installation and battle plan. Then there is also the confirmed presence of a second ark somewhere in deep space. Perhaps this ark is where the Precursor presides, hiding away in exile while controlling the flood. During the first Human-Flood war the humans were only able to prevail because the Flood stopped by the Precursor. He believes humanity should ascend as the heirs to the mantle, not the Forerunners.

Just think of all these possibilities; a broken Chief fighting an internal battle for control of his own mind, a second ark containing the unknown, and the return of the final Precursor and with him the Flood. Just a few scenarios that could play out. They seem probable given evidence in the novels, so I am hoping to see at least some semblance of this used instead of going for the generic "Cortana is back yay!" sort of thing. What are your thoughts on this Flood?

  • 12.05.2012 4:48 PM PDT

Forerunners will invade and both Humans and Covenant will join to fight them.

  • 12.05.2012 4:50 PM PDT

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When does the third Reclaimer book come out?

  • 12.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT

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When does the third Reclaimer book come out?

March 19, I believe.

  • 12.05.2012 4:51 PM PDT

Ancient humans with technology they had doing the Forerunner still exists somewhere.

Why the -blam!- not?

  • 12.05.2012 4:55 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: Savage Opress
Ancient humans with technology they had doing the Forerunner still exists somewhere.

Why the -blam!- not?
If I read correctly many of the monitors are actually just Forerunners that have been composer, lifeworkers mostly. Which again brings about the prospect of another sort of "civil war" between the Didact's forces and those of the Librarian. My theory is also further confirmed by the fact that the Librarian was composed and her composed memories are what made contact with Chief.

  • 12.05.2012 5:02 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: Savage Opress
Ancient humans with technology they had doing the Forerunner still exists somewhere.

Why the -blam!- not?
If I read correctly many of the monitors are actually just Forerunners that have been composer, lifeworkers mostly. Which again brings about the prospect of another sort of "civil war" between the Didact's forces and those of the Librarian. My theory is also further confirmed by the fact that the Librarian was composed and her composed memories are what made contact with Chief.

Agree with all of this.

  • 12.05.2012 5:03 PM PDT

I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(

  • 12.05.2012 5:06 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: Dragondude8o

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: Savage Opress
Ancient humans with technology they had doing the Forerunner still exists somewhere.

Why the -blam!- not?
If I read correctly many of the monitors are actually just Forerunners that have been composer, lifeworkers mostly. Which again brings about the prospect of another sort of "civil war" between the Didact's forces and those of the Librarian. My theory is also further confirmed by the fact that the Librarian was composed and her composed memories are what made contact with Chief.

Agree with all of this.
I really am hoping they go at least somewhat in this route. That's the way to really define this trilogy from the Bungie trilogy, a new captivating story that goes all out on being unique and expanding the universe. Speculation is now making me excited for Halo again, so it's a good thing the third book comes out in a just a few months.

  • 12.05.2012 5:06 PM PDT


Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.

  • 12.05.2012 5:08 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dragondude8o
Forerunners will invade and both Humans and Covenant will join to fight them.
UNSC and Covenant vs Forerunners and Flood?
I could only imagine all the epic and huge battles.

*shivers with excitement*

  • 12.05.2012 5:09 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.
For some reason in Halo 4 it was unable to preserve the memories of those composed. Now whether it was set by the Didact to do that I suppose we don't really know, I would love for that to be cleared up, because right now it appears the composer in each medium functions a different way. It was seen in the game to answer your question, it is the huge monolith that the Didact lifts out of that asteroid base.

  • 12.05.2012 5:13 PM PDT


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.


The composer is shown towards the end of Halo 4 . .

As for the books I wouldn't know about the one that is in the books.

I haven't read the books yet.

  • 12.05.2012 5:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.
For some reason in Halo 4 it was unable to preserve the memories of those composed. Now whether it was set by the Didact to do that I suppose we don't really know, I would love for that to be cleared up, because right now it appears the composer in each medium functions a different way. It was seen in the game to answer your question, it is the huge monolith that the Didact lifts out of that asteroid base.


Yeah I know what it was, and it still does that. Spartan Ops Episode 5 has a scene where a Forerunner device of some sort, linked to the Prometheans, depicts a set of memories from the humans Composed in New Harmony.

The Composer fuels the Prometheans simply because that's its current function under the Didact. Ultimately the Composer digitizes its victims into computer form. What happens to them after that is decided later. The "Ghosts" in Primordium were holographic projections. The Lifeworker says that he lets the human village out of their machines to roam free as holograms because it feels more natural to them--and, indeed, to himself. Forthenco Lord of Admirals was composed and uploaded into the mind of Chakas' ancestors. The New Harmony humans were Composed and used as fuel for the Prometheans.

The Composer is the same, but the way it's used is different.


Posted by: AnonymousF22

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.


The composer is shown towards the end of Halo 4 . .



I know that, I was talking about in the books.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 5:20 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 5:19 PM PDT

"Banhammer" - Post anything on the Waypoint forums -50g
Never forget:
Porch Day
lolReach
Gen Petitt Day
Night of the Living Alts

Who cares? It's just going to be another boring CoD clone. The story will most likely be mediocre and cliche like Halp 4's.

  • 12.05.2012 5:21 PM PDT

I make a living of selling my body, and I don't mean sex.

Mean time in Halo 3...

Guilty Spark- YOU ARE FORERUNNER

Mean while during Halo 5...

It seems Chief has awakened from his slumber. It turns out the genetic codes needed for Spartan II's are actually a code of Forerunner origin. This means that they are in fact dormant forerunners in a human body.

Chief awakens and kills the Didact with his own awakened force powers and has to sacrifice himself to stop the Halo Array.

Halo 6 is about how Sergeant Johnson actually survived the destruction on the Ark. His death was considered non-canon and Mr. Johnson goes on to carry on the legacy of his best friend Master Chief with his pet Arbiter.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 5:26 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 5:25 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.
For some reason in Halo 4 it was unable to preserve the memories of those composed. Now whether it was set by the Didact to do that I suppose we don't really know, I would love for that to be cleared up, because right now it appears the composer in each medium functions a different way. It was seen in the game to answer your question, it is the huge monolith that the Didact lifts out of that asteroid base.


Yeah I know what it was, and it still does that. Spartan Ops Episode 5 has a scene where a Forerunner device of some sort, linked to the Prometheans, depicts a set of memories from the humans Composed in New Harmony.

The Composer fuels the Prometheans simply because that's its current function under the Didact. Ultimately the Composer digitizes its victims into computer form. What happens to them after that is decided later. The "Ghosts" in Primordium were holographic projections. The Lifeworker says that he lets the human village out of their machines to roam free as holograms because it feels more natural to them--and, indeed, to himself. Forthenco Lord of Admirals was composed and uploaded into the mind of Chakas' ancestors. The New Harmony humans were Composed and used as fuel for the Prometheans.

The Composer is the same, but the way it's used is different.


Posted by: AnonymousF22

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.


The composer is shown towards the end of Halo 4 . .



I know that, I was talking about in the books.
Interesting. Well this furthers my theory then, the composers being the same makes this entire scenario all the more possible. I have to wonder though why Bornstellar-Didact harbors such a hatred for humanity when his closest friends are human. Seems strange to me. I hope we find out more about that in book three.

  • 12.05.2012 5:28 PM PDT

I make a living of selling my body, and I don't mean sex.

I also thought of another theory.

Carrying on from the Chief being part Forerunner, he also awakens his ancient human side being a Ancient Forerunner Human. He must then somehow fight the Precursors because loltheyneverdied.

  • 12.05.2012 5:29 PM PDT

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TL;DR

  • 12.05.2012 5:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =([/quote]

How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.[/quote]For some reason in Halo 4 it was unable to preserve the memories of those composed. Now whether it was set by the Didact to do that I suppose we don't really know, I would love for that to be cleared up, because right now it appears the composer in each medium functions a different way. It was seen in the game to answer your question, it is the huge monolith that the Didact lifts out of that asteroid base.[/quote]

Yeah I know what it was, and it still does that. Spartan Ops Episode 5 has a scene where a Forerunner device of some sort, linked to the Prometheans, depicts a set of memories from the humans Composed in New Harmony.

The Composer fuels the Prometheans simply because that's its current function under the Didact. Ultimately the Composer digitizes its victims into computer form. What happens to them after that is decided later. The "Ghosts" in Primordium were holographic projections. The Lifeworker says that he lets the human village out of their machines to roam free as holograms because it feels more natural to them--and, indeed, to himself. Forthenco Lord of Admirals was composed and uploaded into the mind of Chakas' ancestors. The New Harmony humans were Composed and used as fuel for the Prometheans.

The Composer is the same, but the way it's used is different.


Posted by: AnonymousF22

Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: AnonymousF22
I wouldn't put such a big emphasis on the book's crossing over into the games so much.

As you said the Composer in the books is different from the one in Halo 4 . .

I have noticed with a lot of game franchises that have book's and game's . . The two rarely seem to be connected well =(

Book's tend to have a much bigger focus on the story and lore.

While video games are more focused on action and drama.

Yes both mediums have things in common, a story, action, drama, etc . .

But the way they implement them is very different.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future Halo games have little to nothing in common with the future books =(


How was the Composer any different? In fact, other than being explained, when was it even seen?

Honest question, it's been awhile since Primordium.


The composer is shown towards the end of Halo 4 . .



I know that, I was talking about in the books.
Interesting. Well this furthers my theory then, the composers being the same makes this entire scenario all the more possible. I have to wonder though why Bornstellar-Didact harbors such a hatred for humanity when his closest friends are human. Seems strange to me. I hope we find out more about that in book three.


Wait, since when did Bornstellar hate humans? He Composes Chakas to save his life, iirc. And the Didact in Halo 4 was the Ur. The Terminals make that abundantly clear, since we see the same Didact's life play out from thousands of years ago, to his imprisonment.

  • 12.05.2012 5:39 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Wait, since when did Bornstellar hate humans? He Composes Chakas to save his life, iirc. And the Didact in Halo 4 was the Ur. The Terminals make that abundantly clear, since we see the same Didact's life play out from thousands of years ago, to his imprisonment.
I probably should have watched those. This makes a lot more sense now. So then a new plot point in that there are two Didacts floating around out there? Perhaps the Ur-Didact is really dead, but Bornstellar-Didact comes into play in his place. This is now getting infinitely more complicated and confusing.

  • 12.05.2012 5:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Wait, since when did Bornstellar hate humans? He Composes Chakas to save his life, iirc. And the Didact in Halo 4 was the Ur. The Terminals make that abundantly clear, since we see the same Didact's life play out from thousands of years ago, to his imprisonment.
I probably should have watched those. This makes a lot more sense now. So then a new plot point in that there are two Didacts floating around out there? Perhaps the Ur-Didact is really dead, but Bornstellar-Didact comes into play in his place. This is now getting infinitely more complicated and confusing.


Well, it is implied that Bornstellar left the galaxy, on their final Great Journey, as the Librarian called it. This journey was exile from the galaxy, presumably in search of the Precursors.

Ur-Didact held too strongly to the Mantle to just abandon the galaxy, and was left behind. Everyone else packed up and left upon the Journey. I'd wager Bornstellar went with them, if he's not dead.

A) If he is dead, then I'd guess that Chief was imprinted with Bornstellar's essence, which would make him the new Didact. Thus, there is a conflict between the two Didacts.

B) If he survived, John would fill in a different roll, maybe being more focused on the Precursor's final test as the Librarian seemed to have prepared him for in Halo 4.

Mostly conjecture mind, but what I like about all this is that as of now, anything's possible.

  • 12.05.2012 5:54 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ROBERTO jh

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Wait, since when did Bornstellar hate humans? He Composes Chakas to save his life, iirc. And the Didact in Halo 4 was the Ur. The Terminals make that abundantly clear, since we see the same Didact's life play out from thousands of years ago, to his imprisonment.
I probably should have watched those. This makes a lot more sense now. So then a new plot point in that there are two Didacts floating around out there? Perhaps the Ur-Didact is really dead, but Bornstellar-Didact comes into play in his place. This is now getting infinitely more complicated and confusing.


Well, it is implied that Bornstellar left the galaxy, on their final Great Journey, as the Librarian called it. This journey was exile from the galaxy, presumably in search of the Precursors.

Ur-Didact held too strongly to the Mantle to just abandon the galaxy, and was left behind. Everyone else packed up and left upon the Journey. I'd wager Bornstellar went with them, if he's not dead.

A) If he is dead, then I'd guess that Chief was imprinted with Bornstellar's essence, which would make him the new Didact. Thus, there is a conflict between the two Didacts.

B) If he survived, John would fill in a different roll, maybe being more focused on the Precursor's final test as the Librarian seemed to have prepared him for in Halo 4.

Mostly conjecture mind, but what I like about all this is that as of now, anything's possible.
Exactly. I'm hoping the weak plot of Halo 4 was just a set up into this vast new world of possibilities, sort of a "do what must be done" purge of the old Halo.

  • 12.05.2012 6:23 PM PDT
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Posted by: Dragondude8o
Forerunners will invade and both Humans and Covenant will join to fight them.
UNSC and Covenant vs Forerunners and Flood?
I could only imagine all the epic and huge battles.

*shivers with excitement*
Sanghelli fleets and billions of grunts will whoop everyones -Blam!-s.

Not to mention Infinity and spartan IVs.

  • 12.05.2012 6:25 PM PDT

What? People read these?


Posted by: Dragondude8o
Forerunners will invade and both Humans and Covenant will join to fight them.


The Chief will be forced to run around the galaxy solving other people's problems before a disappointing ending.

  • 12.05.2012 6:37 PM PDT

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