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Poll: Can you define progress?  [closed]
Yes, new is better, more is better, it exists!:  57%
(13 Votes)
No:  26%
(6 Votes)
Other, explain :  17%
(4 Votes)
Total Votes: 23

Im not relating progress to the verb or noun definition. I'm talking about progress on earth and the idea that as time marches forward we as a species advance. Do we advance? Or is this contemplation nothing but a human made notion to satisfy our hunter gathering instincts? In attempts we sometimes believe materialism and technology can be demonstrations of progress, as if we build software for hardware.


Seems to me that technology is nothing more than us finding ways to makeup for our backwards hardware (The human body). We build structures of support to better suit our conquests through time and space. We are constantly asking ourselves WHY. By asking why we tend to observe puzzles and formulate solutions in a never-ending cycle known as technology. But are our problem solving abilities null if we cannot upgrade the hardware that operates the software (technology)

Society in all its marvelous convenience is years ahead of our old ways of thinking, the way we process entities of A or B hasn't changed as rapidly as our solutions to A or B. The human mind tends to paradox it's achievements by binding us with primitive animal like desires. Bound forever within a lifetime that cannot change a culture or way of life for humanity, individually, instead- we must be collective. Hence why the digital age has sped up our so called progress, for the first time we have collective thinking at incredible speed through the inter-working of the internet, satellites, etc. A civilization may rise and fall only because of its lack of long term thinking that a society cannot produce because our hardware limits our lifespan to a mere 80 to 100 years, typically. Every new generation must relearn and adapt to what was left by their predecessors, that in turn makes long term thinking a challenge for our species and usually becomes inert at one point with all the confusion of direction. Short term thinking becomes essential and dominates the species for we are more concerned with the then and now solution to a problem much larger than their lifetime.

So what is progress?

Note... The Socratic method will be applied here

[Edited on 12.05.2012 7:09 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 6:43 PM PDT

Posted by: TrussingDoor
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
You know what's even worse?

When the boy you like has a girlfriend.
#gheyworldproblems

Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.

  • 12.05.2012 6:45 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Advancement towards an end.

  • 12.05.2012 6:46 PM PDT

Sometimes I am tempted to quit gaming. I can no longer play without seeing ponyphags, horrendously bad teammates and mexicans.

Gaming community, I want you to know that you suck.

When the loading bar moves to the right.

  • 12.05.2012 6:47 PM PDT

I like shorts. They're comfy and easy to wear.

The opposite of congress?

  • 12.05.2012 6:47 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
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Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.
So does this suggest that the ideal Governing body for you would be a technocracy that allows machines to do all the work originally intended for the working class. This in turn has its benefits for you the worker are now freed from labor and may pursue other things. Yet what is left for the human if all the so call progress automates the labor and what purpose would the human have?

  • 12.05.2012 6:51 PM PDT

Posted by: TrussingDoor
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
You know what's even worse?

When the boy you like has a girlfriend.
#gheyworldproblems

Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.
So does this suggest that the ideal Governing body for you would be a technocracy that allows machines to do all the work originally intended for the working class. This in turn has its benefits for you the worker are now freed from labor and may pursue other things. Yet what is left for the human if all the so call progress automates the labor and what purpose would the human have?
To live, man. To live..

  • 12.05.2012 6:54 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
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Posted by: dahuterschuter
Advancement towards an end.
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?

  • 12.05.2012 6:55 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
Halo 2
People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.
So does this suggest that the ideal Governing body for you would be a technocracy that allows machines to do all the work originally intended for the working class. This in turn has its benefits for you the worker are now freed from labor and may pursue other things. Yet what is left for the human if all the so call progress automates the labor and what purpose would the human have?
To live, man. To live..
To live- by itself- does not define progress. Everything cycles.
In your case you now suggest life is progress. If that is so, why do we kill?

  • 12.05.2012 6:57 PM PDT
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  • 12.05.2012 6:58 PM PDT

Posted by: TrussingDoor
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
You know what's even worse?

When the boy you like has a girlfriend.
#gheyworldproblems

Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.
So does this suggest that the ideal Governing body for you would be a technocracy that allows machines to do all the work originally intended for the working class. This in turn has its benefits for you the worker are now freed from labor and may pursue other things. Yet what is left for the human if all the so call progress automates the labor and what purpose would the human have?
To live, man. To live..
To live- by itself- does not define progress. Everything cycles.
In your case you now suggest life is progress. If that is so, why do we kill?
Bro, I am not high enough to answer that.

  • 12.05.2012 6:58 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
Halo 2
People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Posted by: Chuck berry22
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Progress is a coffee pot with a clock and automatic brew.
So does this suggest that the ideal Governing body for you would be a technocracy that allows machines to do all the work originally intended for the working class. This in turn has its benefits for you the worker are now freed from labor and may pursue other things. Yet what is left for the human if all the so call progress automates the labor and what purpose would the human have?
To live, man. To live..
To live- by itself- does not define progress. Everything cycles.
In your case you now suggest life is progress. If that is so, why do we kill?
Bro, I am not high enough to answer that.
And the degeneration continues

  • 12.05.2012 6:59 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Advancement towards an end.
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?


Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? Merely saying that time is never-ending is not a good way to respond to his post. That's like saying that we never work towards any single goals. The truth is, he is correct.

  • 12.05.2012 7:00 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
Halo 2
People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Advancement towards an end.
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?


Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? Merely saying that time is never-ending is not a good way to respond to his post. That's like saying that we never work towards any single goals. The truth is, he is correct.
You contradict yourself... you say- Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? How can you have a goal if we know no end, and what relevance is it to the universe if you complete that goal? What impact on the species would it have beyond satisfying your need to hunt and gather. Formulate solutions to puzzles you observe. If the puzzle never ends what use is to say we have made progress?

  • 12.05.2012 7:04 PM PDT

Why not stop by my File Share while you're here?

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If you haven't noticed by now, I'm sort of a jerk.

Progress is getting out of bed within 5 minutes of waking up on a Monday morning.

  • 12.05.2012 7:05 PM PDT

I am the God Emprah of Mankind.

Deal with it.

Improving or advancing an object or idea.

  • 12.05.2012 7:08 PM PDT

Es ist Zeit für einige Gefahr-pay

Progress is simple change and overcoming new challenges to society where society either becomes more complex and advances, or remains stagnant and ultimately falls.

  • 12.05.2012 7:09 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Advancement towards an end.
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?


Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? Merely saying that time is never-ending is not a good way to respond to his post. That's like saying that we never work towards any single goals. The truth is, he is correct.
You contradict yourself... you say- Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? How can you have a goal if we know no end, and what relevance is it to the universe if you complete that goal? What impact on the species would it have beyond satisfying your need to hunt and gather. Formulate solutions to puzzles you observe. If the puzzle never ends what use is to say we have made progress?


You are taking this too deeply. We work to attain something in everything we do, regardless of whether you want to admit it or not. We always have goals and we don't always know what the end will be. You have to remember, OP, that the "end" for progress can be progressive as well. How do you think anything gets done? We set a goal and we accomplish it. Which is progress. (Ex. Traveling to the moon.}

  • 12.05.2012 7:10 PM PDT

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People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: Assassin 11D7
Improving or advancing an object or idea.
In relation to what?
So this thread is progress?

  • 12.05.2012 7:11 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: Chuck berry22
So this thread is progress?


Yes. Your goal was to find out our "definition" of progress, and this thread advanced you to your goal.

  • 12.05.2012 7:15 PM PDT

Science! Embrace progress!

  • 12.05.2012 7:21 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
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People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: dahuterschuter
Advancement towards an end.
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?


Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? Merely saying that time is never-ending is not a good way to respond to his post. That's like saying that we never work towards any single goals. The truth is, he is correct.
You contradict yourself... you say- Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? How can you have a goal if we know no end, and what relevance is it to the universe if you complete that goal? What impact on the species would it have beyond satisfying your need to hunt and gather. Formulate solutions to puzzles you observe. If the puzzle never ends what use is to say we have made progress?


You are taking this too deeply. We work to attain something in everything we do, regardless of whether you want to admit it or not. We always have goals and we don't always know what the end will be. You have to remember, OP, that the "end" for progress can be progressive as well. How do you think anything gets done? We set a goal and we accomplish it. Which is progress. (Ex. Traveling to the moon.}
I still don't see how even traveling to the moon is progress.
It seems that we can justify progress as long as we keep building software (technology) to be operated by our hardware (Human body)
Remember the software we accumulate uses energy, matter, etc to compose itself. We have to destroy before we can create. The 21st century tends to forget that everything around you, the things we take for granted, derived originally from the resource of our planet. In that case, we'd have to be able to make our own resources to have real progress. Create nothing out of nothing; If we can't do that, then we are simply always having a negative equation of resource relocation.

Another possibility for real progress is to update our hardware. Stem cell research treads upon the idea, but it actually is only replication and not re-imagination.
What about genetic modification? Will we be able to upgrade our hardware that way?

I think you take this all a bit too lightly and don't understand or refuse to acknowledge that everything you do during life has cause and effect. Your place here and decisions will carry on through time and space and compound through generations. This is why I say its hard for our species to set long term goals.

  • 12.05.2012 7:22 PM PDT

I am a "True" gamer advocate.
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People are crazy, and times are strange...


Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22
So this thread is progress?


Yes. Your goal was to find out our "definition" of progress, and this thread advanced you to your goal.
I said Socratic method would be applied. From what I see is not a goal met. What is up with you folks and goals?
One man's progress is another man's downfall. One man's downfall is another man's lesson to survive. It's all subjective and based on context. It depends on what you think is progress.
So therefor, again, I think Progress cannot be defined

  • 12.05.2012 7:29 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22
But the universe and time is never-ending. You define an "end" by a human made notion that justifies biological occurrence.
Numbers and math given their structural purpose of management are nothing but infinite theory imposed on the observable world or tangible items. Pi never ends.
Your human bias gets in the way of defining progress and ties into the hunter gatherer you truly are.
The hunt is not complete until the kill, but you will have to hunt again won't you?


Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? Merely saying that time is never-ending is not a good way to respond to his post. That's like saying that we never work towards any single goals. The truth is, he is correct.
You contradict yourself... you say- Who's to say what the end is supposed to be? How can you have a goal if we know no end, and what relevance is it to the universe if you complete that goal? What impact on the species would it have beyond satisfying your need to hunt and gather. Formulate solutions to puzzles you observe. If the puzzle never ends what use is to say we have made progress?


You are taking this too deeply. We work to attain something in everything we do, regardless of whether you want to admit it or not. We always have goals and we don't always know what the end will be. You have to remember, OP, that the "end" for progress can be progressive as well. How do you think anything gets done? We set a goal and we accomplish it. Which is progress. (Ex. Traveling to the moon.}
I still don't see how even traveling to the moon is progress.
It seems that we can justify progress as long as we keep building software (technology) to be operated by our hardware (Human body)
Remember the software we accumulate uses energy, matter, etc to compose itself. We have to destroy before we can create. The 21st century tends to forget that everything around you, the things we take for granted, derived originally from the resource of our planet. In that case, we'd have to be able to make our own resources to have real progress. Create nothing out of nothing; If we can't do that, then we are simply always having a negative equation of resource relocation.

Another possibility for real progress is to update our hardware. Stem cell research treads upon the idea, but it actually is only replication and not re-imagination.
What about genetic modification? Will we be able to upgrade our hardware that way?

I think you take this all a bit too lightly and don't understand or refuse to acknowledge that everything you do during life has cause and effect. Your place here and decisions will carry on through time and space and compound through generations. This is why I say its hard for our species to set long term goals.


The getting to the moon was the goal and was also progress. I don't know why you aren't understanding this. Maybe you are just over complicating things.

Look. Progress is, simply, advancement towards a goal. We don't necessarily have to know about the goal or even that it is there, but everything we do to get to that goal is progress.

Also: Most of your post was irrelevant. I'd advise you to collect your thoughts a little more before posting. Like resource relocation. And my knowledge of cause and effect. And the fact that what we do here will carry throughout time and space.

And who says that goals have to be set in stone anyways? Our goals and our progress change constantly. And, if you want to take it like this, everything we every do is technically progress, as even us just living is helping to advance our goals, whatever they may be.

  • 12.05.2012 7:33 PM PDT

You look around.You fire your weapon before you realize.
Its just me. I fall and you walk up. You cry why.
When i pop up. You look at me in wonder. I say,"ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL."
You bend to my will and go to a cliff, walk off, and fall.
The last thing you hear is me stating as fact,"All will fail the battle of life, you just went early"


Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: MongotheRed

Posted by: Chuck berry22
So this thread is progress?


Yes. Your goal was to find out our "definition" of progress, and this thread advanced you to your goal.
I said Socratic method would be applied. From what I see is not a goal met. What is up with you folks and goals?
One man's progress is another man's downfall. One man's downfall is another man's lesson to survive. It's all subjective and based on context. It depends on what you think is progress.
So therefor, again, I think Progress cannot be defined


You asked us if we could define progress. And is that not what we have done? Regardless of whether you liked or agreed with the answers you got, you got answers.

  • 12.05.2012 7:34 PM PDT

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