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Subject: Should Halo stayed with Bungie?

Poll: Should Halo stayed with Bungie?  [closed]
Yes:  35%
(31 Votes)
No:  65%
(57 Votes)
Total Votes: 88

Halo should have stayed with Bungie. 'Nuf said.

  • 12.05.2012 8:10 PM PDT
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Do I think Halo should have stayed with Bungie? No. Do I think it should have had more time spent on it, and not rushed simply to compete with CoD? Yes.

  • 12.05.2012 8:13 PM PDT

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No. As great as Bungie was, they intended for Reach to be a sending off for their run on Halo, and it was obvious that they were fatigued from the work.

Anything they did beyond Reach would have felt dishonest and half-hearted. Despite your thoughts on Reach, some of the little bits show that it was a labor of love from Bungie, and I don't think they could replicate even an iota of that for their own Halo 4.

So we're stuck with 343i, even if you're not satisfied with the finished product (like I am).

  • 12.05.2012 9:27 PM PDT

Yes, yes, I do. I wouldn't expect them to constantly crank more and more games out though...it would have been for the betterment of the series if Bungie had been able to take Halo with them when they left :/ 343i is very much hit and miss with everything they've done, at least they've become so. They started out solid, but everything after Glasslands came out has been heading downhill...the story has been rapidly declining in its ability to stay true to the lore and actually be a comprehensive story. Needless to say, I have not been exactly pleased with 343i's recent contributions to the story...Bungie has done a far better job throughout and the series would have been worlds better left in their more than capable hands.

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Posted by: OpTic OhioGam3r
Do I think Halo should have stayed with Bungie? No. Do I think it should have had more time spent on it, and not rushed simply to compete with CoD? Yes.
Indecisiveness is why Halo 4 is lackluster.

Just like Halo 2. And perhaps Reach.

[Edited on 12.05.2012 10:10 PM PST]

  • 12.05.2012 10:09 PM PDT

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No as much as I love bungie.

They were obviously tired of making halo games

  • 12.05.2012 10:09 PM PDT

No, it was clear that they were getting bored of the franchise.

  • 12.06.2012 12:09 AM PDT

No. Not at all.

The longer Halo ran as a series, the more detached and soulless is felt. And looking back at things, it is pretty apparant Bungie grew tired of Halo, working under Microsoft and the pressure of delivering what the 50+ factions of the community demanded.
I know this isn't shared by a large part of the community, but you could tell things going wrong with H3. It already was as if they weren't completely invested in the story with their hearts and souls. Some great talent on the multiplayer side also left, leaving us with mediocre maps.
ODST was better, but Reach (although still a great game) was a tell tale of how a developer growing tired of their series can't recapture the magic that once made it great.

I'm not going to say Bungie didn't/doesn't care about Halo anymore. That wouldn't be fair, nor the truth I guess. But I am willing to say that the Bungie that gave us CE and H2 wasn't the same Bungie that gave us the last 3 games.
So what would've become of Halo if Bungie had stayed? I bet nothing good actually. After all: if you have to work on something you don't want to work on anymore; you either quit the company, or work on it with great resentment.

Its best for Bungie to work on something new their entirely passionate about. Because that is the only way they can recapture their old quality.
And it was certainly best for Halo to go to 343i. Its not a perfect game. But 343i has the ambition Bungie was lacking with Halo. 343i has put more heart and soul into Halo than Bungie has done in their last years. And 343i dares taking risks with Halo (like Bungie did with CE and H2) that Bungie didn't take in years, preventing the series from growing stale and irrelevant.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 1:11 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 1:09 AM PDT


Posted by: OpTic OhioGam3r
Do I think Halo should have stayed with Bungie? No. Do I think it should have had more time spent on it, and not rushed simply to compete with CoD? Yes.


It was in development for almost 4 years.

OT: No, you could tell Bungie was getting tired of it.

  • 12.06.2012 4:33 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

No, it should have ended at 3.

  • 12.06.2012 4:46 AM PDT


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Posted by: OpTic OhioGam3r
Do I think Halo should have stayed with Bungie? No. Do I think it should have had more time spent on it, and not rushed simply to compete with CoD? Yes.
Indecisiveness is why Halo 4 is lackluster.

Just like Halo 2. And perhaps Reach.

Woh, that is a misleading title and misleading quotes in that first article.


And you're taking it out of context and incorrectly. Having too many ideas and having to cut some of them happens in EVERY game due to limitations (set by gameplay, time, budget, etc.). It doesn't make them indecisive. You think Bungie never cut an idea?

[Edited on 12.06.2012 5:56 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 5:56 AM PDT
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Posted by: OpTic OhioGam3r
Do I think Halo should have stayed with Bungie? No. Do I think it should have had more time spent on it, and not rushed simply to compete with CoD? Yes.


It was in development for almost 4 years.

OT: No, you could tell Bungie was getting tired of it.


(Also in reply to anyone else who quoted me).

I may have been a bit short with my description and why I feel that way. I think that if they would have had and open beta, and about six more months of working time (after or during beta period) we would have seen a much more polished game. I personally believe it was just an early launch to get the game out before CoD (partially) that put the game down. The rest of the problems are just blatant oversight and lack of thinking.

AKA, Let's add a passive universal sprint and not increase vehicle speed.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 6:04 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 6:02 AM PDT

Yes, it should have stayed with Bungie, but just to protect it from being abused by Microsoft. Bungie could have let it rest and do something else and some time in the future when they feel like it develop another Halo game.

  • 12.06.2012 6:26 AM PDT

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To be Honest no.... As much as its hard to say it... I'm glad they are free and independent to make the games they want to make. I think its been and will be very beneficial to them and even us.

They did an amazing job on the Halo series. Now its time to shine somewhere else which I believe they will.

  • 12.06.2012 6:58 AM PDT

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No, because Bungie should not continue to be shackled by Halo.

  • 12.06.2012 6:58 AM PDT

It was right time for Bungie to work on bigger and better things that will amaze the gaming world!

  • 12.06.2012 7:48 AM PDT


Posted by: Simjon4two
Yes, it should have stayed with Bungie, but just to protect it from being abused by Microsoft. Bungie could have let it rest and do something else and some time in the future when they feel like it develop another Halo game.


That's exactly what I think/said :P Just because it stays with them doesn't mean they have to crank more games out and focus solely on Halo. Bungie holding onto Halo would have been the best thing for the series...under 343i it's almost gotten to the point where I can't stand any of their story :/ Which is unfortunate, because near the beginning of their run on the series they were doing so well...I mean, Halo Legends, Halo Evolutions, Cryptum and Primordium...but now? I'm not liking what I'm seeing, none of it feels very in tune with the established lore or the spirit of the universe >_>

  • 12.06.2012 7:49 AM PDT

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After reach,no, no i dont think so.

  • 12.06.2012 8:13 AM PDT

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First of all just like to say I loved Halo 3. My favorite of the series and one of my favorite games overall. Everyone seems to be trashing it lately though.

Anyhow, to the topic at hand. Do I think Halo should've stayed with Bungie? Ultimately, no. They're doing something new and that's exciting. Not like they didn't do enough either, if someone wants a Bungie made Halo game, guess what? There's FIVE of them!

But I feel this is pretty much a situation where we get to have our cake and eat it too. If Bungie keeps making Halo people will say that's all they can do. They make something new people will say they should've kept doing Halo. We get both. Bungie's giving us a new franchise and Halo's going to keep going too.

Do I prefer Bungie's style to 343i's? Yes, I do. But this is how things are and I'm glad they worked out the way they did.

  • 12.06.2012 9:16 AM PDT

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I'm really glad that Microsoft own Halo, it means that as well as Halo continuing it's legendary never-ending onslaught (343 did a good job), we also get to see the amazing new world's Bungie can create for us. New is good!

  • 12.06.2012 9:32 AM PDT

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I voted yes but I'm not sure. When I first heard of Halo 4 I had hope that Bungie and 343 would work together. 343 has some good changes but Bungie began the game I love and made it unique.

  • 12.06.2012 11:54 AM PDT
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No.

They were as tired of Halo as I am of seeing this question.

  • 12.06.2012 12:05 PM PDT

You could tell they were ready to move on. I think, especially in terms of story, it was a good call to have 343 take over. There was always something that bothered me about past Campaigns, and it was probably the story-telling. Halo 2 was their shining moment, but it's not happened since, and still wouldn't say it was great in terms of making me feel anything for the characters except that 'he was badass'. 4 was the first time I felt anything real for Halo characters, outside the books.

There are issues with 4, but they are issues that can be fixed. I don't think story-telling is Bungie's thing, however. Or, that they are better at telling stories through the game world itself.

  • 12.06.2012 12:58 PM PDT
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Many people seem to think Bungie keeping Halo is synonymous to Bungie continuing to make Halo games--it isn't. Bungie still has Marathon, but has Bungie been making Marathon games perpetually since Marathon's inception? Clearly not. As the sole creators of Halo, I think Bungie should have complete control over their creation. As someone who's played every Halo game, I feel that Halo probably should have been retired after Halo 2 or Halo 3. This modern obsession to have every slightly good work go on forever with sequels and series is kind of insane to me. I understand why the financial interests want that, but not anyone else (most of the time). I largely blame Star Trek for that.

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  • 12.06.2012 1:52 PM PDT

90% agreed. I did feel for every character shown in game though. Although I did feel a ton more with 343i's style of story-telling.

  • 12.06.2012 1:56 PM PDT

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