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Subject: Your opinion on Camo Sniping in halo 4?

Posted by: Koolen
So now we found a new tactic to complain about? I foresee threads like 'PV AR combo is OP pls nerf'

This combo was an issue in Reach as well.

Planetside 2 has the same issue because the sniper class is automatically(and is the only class) given camo.

It's not "tactical" in any way. It just takes the skill of concealment that a sniper is supposed to learn, and makes it completely unnecessary.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 6:26 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 6:23 AM PDT

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Killcams mean the sniper only gets one kill before you know were he is, no hide and seek like there was in reach on hemorrhage.

  • 12.06.2012 6:25 AM PDT

I had my first run in with it the other day. There were 2 or 3 camo snipers on Valhalla. I couldn't even sneak up on them because they were using the Awareness package too. Obnoxious as hell.

  • 12.06.2012 6:27 AM PDT
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Putting camo back as an AA was a retarded idea.

  • 12.06.2012 6:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Shift Key
It's not "tactical" in any way.

Yes it is it's still a tactic. Really. What exactly is considered "tactical" in Halo?

It just takes the skill of concealment that a sniper is supposed to learn, and makes it completely unnecessary.
So in other words they're not supposed to use something to its full advantage. Because it goes against your BS video game honor code? If anything it makes the game more skillful because the opposing player has to change their strategy and tactics because of it.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 7:00 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 6:40 AM PDT

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Posted by: Sev808
Part of being a sniper is maintaining concealment, what's the point of everyone knows where you are?

Not to mention you shouldn't stay in one place too long...
This. what's the point of being a sniper if you can't hide well? But I do understand you with them hiding the entire game long. Unless it is Team Snipers, then it's okay.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 6:46 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 6:46 AM PDT

I think if that poses a problem with you for a long time then you just suck at adapting to combat situations and the game in general.

  • 12.06.2012 6:47 AM PDT

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I think anything that annoys people enough that they make a complaint thread and start coming up with arbitrary rules of "honor" that they think everyone should abide by is a good thing and should be repeated as often as possible.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 6:50 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 6:50 AM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

I think people should abuse it as much as possible so people understand how stupid it is in a competitive setting.

  • 12.06.2012 6:51 AM PDT
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I'm agreeing with the guy who's telling everyone to adapt.
If you can't hit him, and you can't get behind him, evolve for gods sake.
Think about it, the weapons in Halo have generally low ammo compared to most games, use this to your advantage. Keep one loadout specifically for this situation, it can have whatever weapons you want, but it just has to have thruster pack. Wait and find out where the sniper is (like waiting for him to shoot at passing vehicles as most snipers tend to do) get in his line of sight and start bouncing around and thruster packing in random directions. Do you know how hard it is to hit a jumping TPer? and on the off chance one of his shots does hit you, hide be hind cover, let your shields recharge and repeat. I use this tactic all the time to get rid of snipers ammo.

  • 12.06.2012 6:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: The Shift Key
Posted by: Koolen
So now we found a new tactic to complain about? I foresee threads like 'PV AR combo is OP pls nerf'

This combo was an issue in Reach as well.

Planetside 2 has the same issue because the sniper class is automatically(and is the only class) given camo.

It's not "tactical" in any way. It just takes the skill of concealment that a sniper is supposed to learn, and makes it completely unnecessary.

Not really, you can't snipe while in cloak (and it takes a short time after your cloak has been de-activated until your guns are activated again), you can't move through teleporters or interact with terminals while in cloak and it depletes ridiculously fast while moving. Besides, with the size of the battlefield you don't even need cloak to stay hidden seeing as there are bigger beefier targets such as tanks and aircraft stealing attention anyway.

  • 12.06.2012 7:05 AM PDT

^at above: I should make it clear I'm just talking about shooters in general here. I haven't bought Halo 4, and I never will.
Posted by: BerzerkCommando
Posted by: The Shift Key
It's not "tactical" in any way.

Yes it is it's still a tactic. Really. What exactly is considered "tactical" in Halo?

Maybe by it is by definition, but playing tactically would imply trying to outsmart/outmaneuver your opponent. Camo sniping is just: Go invisible, run straight across open area to vantage point, let camo recharge, turn on camo, stand in the open aquiring targets, shoot someone, hide and let camo recharge, turn on camo, stand in the open...

You know the best part? If someone does play tactically and flanks the sniper, the sniper just goes invisible at the first sign of trouble and runs away! Ha ha!

Now, you're probably thinking at this point that I'm just butthurt because some camo sniper got on my nerves at some point. The truth is that I did that camo sniping sh** too, and I was appalled by how much it completely dumbed down gameplay.

[Edited on 12.06.2012 7:11 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 7:09 AM PDT
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It's a legitimate tactic.

  • 12.06.2012 7:11 AM PDT

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Posted by: Swible
I'm agreeing with the guy who's telling everyone to adapt.
If you can't hit him, and you can't get behind him, evolve for gods sake.
Think about it, the weapons in Halo have generally low ammo compared to most games, use this to your advantage. Keep one loadout specifically for this situation, it can have whatever weapons you want, but it just has to have thruster pack. Wait and find out where the sniper is (like waiting for him to shoot at passing vehicles as most snipers tend to do) get in his line of sight and start bouncing around and thruster packing in random directions. Do you know how hard it is to hit a jumping TPer? and on the off chance one of his shots does hit you, hide be hind cover, let your shields recharge and repeat. I use this tactic all the time to get rid of snipers ammo.

That seriously work? Faith in sniperhogs reduced even further... If it is obvious that the person is trying to draw and waste my fire I will move on to an easier target as long as he keeps his distance rather than hope for a lucky hit. Not sure how this works with the messed up dynamic spawn system I've heard so much about from H4, but in H3 and H:R it worked out perfectly.

  • 12.06.2012 7:11 AM PDT
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How is this in any way different from camo sniping in Reach?

  • 12.06.2012 7:12 AM PDT

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  • 12.06.2012 7:37 AM PDT

Sucks. Camo should be a pick up and not an AA. A good sniper should be be able to pick players off while moving around and not just by camping.

  • 12.06.2012 7:39 AM PDT

Haven't run into that problem, are you sure you don't suck.

  • 12.06.2012 7:46 AM PDT

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It's not really a problem when you can see where they're at from the killcam.

  • 12.06.2012 7:59 AM PDT

It's a legitimate and effective tactic.

  • 12.06.2012 8:04 AM PDT
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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Adapt or die.

  • 12.06.2012 8:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: GrandmasterNinja
Adapt or die.


I was thinking the exact same thing. Though I think you are just being sarcastic, but really guys, adapt. Change your tactics. It's not that hard.

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Posted by: Egerspurge
Further proof that Ragnarok needs to be nuked from orbit.

This. Valhalla was garbage in Halo 3, Ragnarok is garbage in Halo 4.

OT:
I concur. Power weapons occur too frequently in Halo 4.
The problem is not with the map, it's with the people playing it. There is nothing wrong with Valhalla. There is a problem with how the game is currently set up that doesn't mesh well with Valhalla.

  • 12.06.2012 8:16 AM PDT

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Wait...

Are we talking about people using the active camoflage pickup in tandem with a sniper rifle? Since when was that cheap?

Or is it some armor power in the game now?

[Edited on 12.06.2012 8:38 AM PST]

  • 12.06.2012 8:35 AM PDT