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Posted by: IonicPaul
Posted by: Prototype117

Posted by: Metalignus
I think you're overthinking.

Exactly.

OP, you're saying that something subjective can't be defined. Of course it can't. It's subjective. So, when you ask for a definition of progress, people will give you the definition that they can give: The objective definition.

Also this.

  • 12.07.2012 12:55 AM PDT

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In simple contrast I could say you're trying too hard to be anti-intellectual. If you find nothing to contribute besides claiming I may be over-thinking progress as a whole, than don't participate.

Subjective as it may be, we tend to try to give it an objective definition, or at least others around you do. So, how can progress be defined if I follow your logic; why would people vote yes to it (progress) being perfectly capable of being defined?
If we can't define progress, or we can, alright- what is good or bad progress? Is this subjective enough not to debate as well? I don't understand the construct of your theory on what is to be pondered and what is not to be.

  • 12.07.2012 1:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Chuck berry22
In simple contrast I could say you're trying too hard to be anti-intellectual. If you find nothing to contribute besides claiming I may be over-thinking progress as a whole, than don't participate.

OP, you're missing a crucial point. We're saying that you're over-thinking it because.... you are. What in the world are you trying to prove anyway? This thread could be considered anti-progress.

  • 12.07.2012 1:03 PM PDT

"There's this theory that if there were an infinite number of monkeys pecking away at typewriters, they would eventually write the great works of Shakespeare, but thanks to the internet we now know that's not true." -Adam Savage

"Time is not made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round." -Caboose

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And if you think it can't be defined, what word would you rather use in it's place? I honestly don't get what you're trying to do.

  • 12.07.2012 1:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: AgentCOP1
And if you think it can't be defined, what word would you rather use in it's place? I honestly don't get what you're trying to do.
Trying to show you that progress is a human notion that has no real world living basis. Unless you want to prescribe the definition to abide by any form of motion, thus I would be making progress in this thread no matter your conclusion being it negative or a positive one.
You seem stuck on the idea that I'm trying to corrupt your opinion, that is not the case. I want your opinion so debate ensues upon what progress for our species really means. Also, if any progress can be labeled Bad or Good what would it look like applied.
I bring up the case of CERN claiming that its projects and ambition of unraveling the universe could potentially create disaster in the form of a Black Hole. Extreme nonetheless, but remember, they continue their work in the name of Progress
or perhaps dropping an atomic bomb to see what it can really do is a twisted form of progress. The political incentive was there. Lets make sure Stalin has no word in post Japan treaties and lets make sure he doesn't split the nation up like East and West Berlin. Recall if you will the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that concludes the intentions of the Soviets yearning to secure power by whatever means, even if it meant signing a deal with someone that would later invade their country and be knocking on the doors of Moscow. Whew, Good thing Hitler would rather send his political prisoners to concentration camps via train, rather rearming purged troops in Lenin/Stalingrad. The idea of progress was at the center of most of these decisions.

[Edited on 12.07.2012 1:18 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 1:17 PM PDT


Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Op, you're trying too hard to be deep and intellectual.

Yeah OP, you're overthinking this to the extreme. Progress is just simply a word that we use to describe a better of state of being than before. Why are you trying in vain to prove that there is no such thing as progress? IT'S JUST A FREAKING CONCEPT. It really doesn't matter that much.


No.

There are people who spend their lives on questions like this. Arguing over the definition of a word is not overthinking it at all.

Thinking is a good thing. Discouraging it is the definition of stupid. Don't be stupid.

  • 12.07.2012 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: AgentCOP1
Posted by: DAS B00T x2
Op, you're trying too hard to be deep and intellectual.

Yeah OP, you're overthinking this to the extreme. Progress is just simply a word that we use to describe a better of state of being than before. Why are you trying in vain to prove that there is no such thing as progress? IT'S JUST A FREAKING CONCEPT. It really doesn't matter that much.


No.

There are people who spend their lives on questions like this. Arguing over the definition of a word is not overthinking it at all.

Thinking is a good thing. Discouraging it is the definition of stupid. Don't be stupid.
Thank you, sir. I was starting to feel like I was dealing with characters straight out of Huxley's Brave New World... "But Benard, you're saying the most awful things! I don't know what you mean, here, why don't you take soma when you have these dreadful ideas of yours. You'd forget all about them. And instead of feeling miserable, you'd be jolly. So jolly."

[Edited on 12.07.2012 1:30 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 1:29 PM PDT

Posted by: Nessy

The bungie.net community is the halo PC community that is renowned for being unbelieveably sucky.

Progress can be defined in many many ways and mean different things.

You can define progress in subjective terms but also in concrete ways.

OP, you are using a narrow definition of the word.

  • 12.07.2012 1:32 PM PDT

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Posted by: Frnksnbns
Progress can be defined in many many ways and mean different things.

You can define progress in subjective terms but also in concrete ways.

OP, you are using a narrow definition of the word.

1. Thanks for the ambiguity
2.Thats been established already, did you read any of the other posters? Follow the thread as it progressed?
3. Enlighten me on how my definition is narrow. I have yet to give you a definition, I've been digging into other peoples. Also, I've brought up the question- what constitutes progress as bad or good? There is two definitions to be defined, along with progress as a whole for our species. How is that narrow?
I think I've been nothing but combative of narrow definitions
Do you despise challenge to conventional wisdom?

[Edited on 12.07.2012 1:44 PM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 1:38 PM PDT

"There's this theory that if there were an infinite number of monkeys pecking away at typewriters, they would eventually write the great works of Shakespeare, but thanks to the internet we now know that's not true." -Adam Savage

"Time is not made out of lines. It is made out of circles. That is why clocks are round." -Caboose

NOTE: This is my new primary account. My old account was AgentCOPP1, and I changed it because it was linked to a gamertag that I no longer use.

Posted by: Chuck berry22

Posted by: AgentCOP1
And if you think it can't be defined, what word would you rather use in it's place? I honestly don't get what you're trying to do.
Trying to show you that progress is a human notion that has no real world living basis. Unless you want to prescribe the definition to abide by any form of motion, thus I would be making progress in this thread no matter your conclusion being it negative or a positive one.
You seem stuck on the idea that I'm trying to corrupt your opinion, that is not the case. I want your opinion so debate ensues upon what progress for our species really means. Also, if any progress can be labeled Bad or Good what would it look like applied.
I bring up the case of CERN claiming that its projects and ambition of unraveling the universe could potentially create disaster in the form of a Black Hole. Extreme nonetheless, but remember, they continue their work in the name of Progress
or perhaps dropping an atomic bomb to see what it can really do is a twisted form of progress. The political incentive was there. Lets make sure Stalin has no word in post Japan treaties and lets make sure he doesn't split the nation up like East and West Berlin. Recall if you will the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, that concludes the intentions of the Soviets yearning to secure power by whatever means, even if it meant signing a deal with someone that would later invade their country and be knocking on the doors of Moscow. Whew, Good thing Hitler would rather send his political prisoners to concentration camps via train, rather rearming purged troops in Lenin/Stalingrad. The idea of progress was at the center of most of these decisions.

I guess that makes sense. Alright so progress is subjective. But still, to the individual, progress is a pretty concrete word and doesn't have much subjectivity to it since we all define for ourselves what is progress.

I guess it's just that I don't really care about the definition of words that much. I don't see the point in arguing over such a petty thing, but whatever. Your point makes sense.

  • 12.07.2012 2:03 PM PDT

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