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  • 12.07.2012 7:06 AM PDT

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Japan attacks a naval base killing about 2500 people, most of them soldiers. Few years later US drops two nukes and killing over 300 000 people, most of them civilians.

As a neutral, attack on pearl harbor doesn't seem like a big deal.

  • 12.07.2012 7:07 AM PDT

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Posted by: Jump Into Hell
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  • 12.07.2012 7:08 AM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"

We warned the civilians by pamphlet to leave there homes and to evacuate the area.

If we didn't bring the war to a close that way the casualty numbers for American and allied forces would have reached into the the hundreds of thousands (in the invasion of the Japanese mainland), and civilian casualty's in even greater numbers, it was a necessary evil that saved countless lives and ended a war.

The Japanese were saints indeed when they slaughtered and raped 15 million Chinese civilians.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of POW's they murdered and worked to death.

Posted by: Make117
Japan attacks a naval base killing about 2500 people, most of them soldiers. Few years later US drops two nukes and killing over 300 000 people, most of them civilians.

Man America is really the bad guy here.

As a neutral, attack on pearl harbor doesn't seem like a big deal.


[Edited on 12.07.2012 7:09 AM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 7:08 AM PDT

Posted by: ViVo 444
Pearl Harbor should have been forgiven (and forgotten) a long time ago, Hiroshima and Nagasaki should eventually be forgiven, but never forgotten.
Just on that note, was anyone else aware that roughly only two months after the Pearl Harbor incident, the Japanese attacked a city where a US destroyer was docked. More bombs were dropped than at Pearl Harbor, and roughly 300 people were killed (including 10-15 US sailors aboard the ship).

What followed was another 100 separate air raids by the Japanese where they dropped bombs mostly in the same area.

  • 12.07.2012 7:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Raptorx7
Posted by: Make117
Japan attacks a naval base killing about 2500 people, most of them soldiers. Few years later US drops two nukes and killing over 300 000 people, most of them civilians.

Man America is really the bad guy here.

As a neutral, attack on pearl harbor doesn't seem like a big deal.
We warned the civilians by pamphlet to leave there homes and to evacuate the area.

If we didn't bring the war to a close that way the casualty numbers for American and allied forces would have reached into the the hundreds of thousands (in the invasion of the Japanese mainland), and civilian casualty's in even greater numbers, it was a necessary evil that saved countless lives and ended a war.

The Japanese were saints indeed when they slaughtered and raped 15 million Chinese civilians.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of POW's they murdered and worked to death.
First of all, your text goes under the text you are quoting, like this.


I didn't say the Japanese were saints. I just can't understand why everyone in the US seems to think that one attack, where most of the casualties were soldiers, is so significant that they (and according to some, rest of the world too), should spend a day each year crying over it.

  • 12.07.2012 7:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: Raptorx7
Oh lets not forget the thousands of POW's they murdered and worked to death.]
The Japanese also murdered countless Chinese civilians.

  • 12.07.2012 7:15 AM PDT

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Raptorx7
Posted by: Make117
Japan attacks a naval base killing about 2500 people, most of them soldiers. Few years later US drops two nukes and killing over 300 000 people, most of them civilians.

Man America is really the bad guy here.

As a neutral, attack on pearl harbor doesn't seem like a big deal.
We warned the civilians by pamphlet to leave there homes and to evacuate the area.

If we didn't bring the war to a close that way the casualty numbers for American and allied forces would have reached into the the hundreds of thousands (in the invasion of the Japanese mainland), and civilian casualty's in even greater numbers, it was a necessary evil that saved countless lives and ended a war.

The Japanese were saints indeed when they slaughtered and raped 15 million Chinese civilians.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of POW's they murdered and worked to death.
First of all, your text goes under the text you are quoting, like this.


I didn't say the Japanese were saints. I just can't understand why everyone in the US seems to think that one attack, where most of the casualties were soldiers, is so significant that they (and according to some, rest of the world too), should spend a day each year crying over it.



Like forum quoting matters that much you can read it either way, but just to make you stop whining here you go.

That one attack catapulted us into a world war where we lost hundreds of thousands how can that not be cryed over or remembered?

  • 12.07.2012 7:20 AM PDT
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America probably let Japan r.ape Pearl Harbor on purpose while taking the Americans ''off guard'' so that the Americans would meet a tragedy and have a reason and everyone's support in joining WW2.

  • 12.07.2012 7:24 AM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"


Posted by: manwith
America probably let Japan r.ape Pearl Harbor on purpose while taking the Americans ''off guard'' so that the Americans would meet a tragedy and have a reason and everyone's support in joining WW2.


Yeah nice try buddy, but no that didn't happen. Its been brought up and disproved before.

  • 12.07.2012 7:25 AM PDT

Halo 3 is where the morons of the universe congregates.

I am thinking of an old story. "Three Billy Goats Gruff" (hint the troll dies at the end)

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Posted by: Sigma Seven
"Oh lets mourn the 2400 dead soldiers, boo hoo" Oh yeah, what about nagasaki and hiroshima? Is that less of a civilian death toll? less of an importance? You americans.

Pearl harbour: 2400 dead

Nagasaki: 60,000 to 80,000
Hiroshima: 90,000 to 166,000
Total: 150,000 to 246,000(maybe more)
Not to forget the radiation poisoning and cancer that ensued.

Learn something!

I hate americans like you that are so self absorbed.

We would have had to kill more Japanese people in an invasion of Japan if we hadn't bombed them. They brought it upon themselves through their aggression and by refusing to surrender.
Meh, Europeans like him need to learn something about the Pacific war, every island was a mini Stalingrad and it only go worse the closer you got to the home islands. The project death total for Operation Downfall was close to a million cuasalties

The only bombing that Americans have any right to be ashamed of is the firebombing of Tokyo, but that's what you get for having you factories as people's houses.
If your British, you really should feel bad for the fire bombing of Dresden

[Edited on 12.07.2012 7:29 AM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 7:26 AM PDT

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yet.

thankfully it brought is an awesome movie with hot chicks and explosions

thanks japs!

  • 12.07.2012 7:27 AM PDT

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Posted by: Assaultor

Posted by: Sigma Seven
"Oh lets mourn the 2400 dead soldiers, boo hoo" Oh yeah, what about nagasaki and hiroshima? Is that less of a civilian death toll? less of an importance? You americans.

Pearl harbour: 2400 dead

Nagasaki: 60,000 to 80,000
Hiroshima: 90,000 to 166,000
Total: 150,000 to 246,000(maybe more)
Not to forget the radiation poisoning and cancer that ensued.

Learn something!

I hate americans like you that are so self absorbed.

We would have had to kill more Japanese people in an invasion of Japan if we hadn't bombed them. They brought it upon themselves through their aggression and by refusing to surrender.
Meh, Europeans like him need to learn something about the Pacific war, every island was a mini Stalingrad and it only go worse the closer you got to the home islands in Operation Downfall. The project death total for that was close to a million cuasalties

The only bombing that Americans have any right to be ashamed of is the firebombing of Tokyo, but that's what you get for having you factories as people's houses.
If your British, you really should feel bad for the fire bombing of Dresden


I fail to see why I should feel bad for something that happened when my mother was not even born. I feel sorry for the people who had to endure the bombing, for the pilots who knowingly had to flatten dresden (Which was a co-ordinated bombing raid, both British and American bombs took part)

Feeling sorry that such an act occured, yes, personal resposibility and guilt? No way.

  • 12.07.2012 7:30 AM PDT
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Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: manwith
America probably let Japan r.ape Pearl Harbor on purpose while taking the Americans ''off guard'' so that the Americans would meet a tragedy and have a reason and everyone's support in joining WW2.


Yeah nice try buddy, but no that didn't happen. Its been brought up and disproved before.

Think about it if it were true. If America had blocked the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and owned them completely with little to no casualties, the American people easily may have refused to join WW2.

  • 12.07.2012 7:32 AM PDT

"I will show you how a true Prussian officer fights!"

"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"


Posted by: manwith

Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: manwith
America probably let Japan r.ape Pearl Harbor on purpose while taking the Americans ''off guard'' so that the Americans would meet a tragedy and have a reason and everyone's support in joining WW2.


Yeah nice try buddy, but no that didn't happen. Its been brought up and disproved before.

Think about it if it were true. If America had blocked the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and owned them completely with little to no casualties, the American people easily may have refused to join WW2.


No they wouldn't have, the attack still happened even if it was a Japanese defeat. They still attacked us unprovoked and we would have declared war.

[Edited on 12.07.2012 7:35 AM PST]

  • 12.07.2012 7:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

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Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Raptorx7
Posted by: manwith
Posted by: Raptorx7
Posted by: manwith
America probably let Japan r.ape Pearl Harbor on purpose while taking the Americans ''off guard'' so that the Americans would meet a tragedy and have a reason and everyone's support in joining WW2.


Yeah nice try buddy, but no that didn't happen. Its been brought up and disproved before.

Think about it if it were true. If America had blocked the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and owned them completely with little to no casualties, the American people easily may have refused to join WW2.


No they wouldn't have, the attack still happened even if it was a Japanese defeat. They still attacked us unprovoked and we would have declared war.
The Axis weren't going to win.

The only thing that would've happened differently would have been the casualties on either side.

  • 12.07.2012 7:36 AM PDT


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Today is also the VGA awards where we will see DESTINY hopefully.


Stay classy, Ken.

  • 12.07.2012 8:08 AM PDT


Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Raptorx7
Posted by: Make117
Japan attacks a naval base killing about 2500 people, most of them soldiers. Few years later US drops two nukes and killing over 300 000 people, most of them civilians.

Man America is really the bad guy here.

As a neutral, attack on pearl harbor doesn't seem like a big deal.
We warned the civilians by pamphlet to leave there homes and to evacuate the area.

If we didn't bring the war to a close that way the casualty numbers for American and allied forces would have reached into the the hundreds of thousands (in the invasion of the Japanese mainland), and civilian casualty's in even greater numbers, it was a necessary evil that saved countless lives and ended a war.

The Japanese were saints indeed when they slaughtered and raped 15 million Chinese civilians.

Oh lets not forget the thousands of POW's they murdered and worked to death.
First of all, your text goes under the text you are quoting, like this.


I didn't say the Japanese were saints. I just can't understand why everyone in the US seems to think that one attack, where most of the casualties were soldiers, is so significant that they (and according to some, rest of the world too), should spend a day each year crying over it.


Remembering something is not the same thing as crying over it. The attack on Pearl Harbor was a significant historical event.

I don't see what the problem with remembering something like this is. Some people seem to think that we (everyone else, not just them) shouldn't think about or remember an event like this.

  • 12.07.2012 8:13 AM PDT

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Posted by: ViVo 444
Pearl Harbor should have been forgiven (and forgotten) a long time ago, Hiroshima and Nagasaki should eventually be forgiven, but never forgotten.
Just on that note, was anyone else aware that roughly only two months after the Pearl Harbor incident, the Japanese attacked a city where a US destroyer was docked. More bombs were dropped than at Pearl Harbor, and roughly 300 people were killed (including 10-15 US sailors aboard the ship).

What followed was another 100 separate air raids by the Japanese where they dropped bombs mostly in the same area.
The Japanese dropped napalm in Oregon with hopes of starting big forest fires. Luckily there was almost no damage because of weather conditions and local patrols.

I also find the balloon bombings to be genius and very clever.

  • 12.07.2012 8:16 AM PDT
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Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
I read it had something to do with the Japanese Navy and Army vying for who would get a cut of government funding. The Japanese had finished a ground war with China, so the Army was most likely to get the funding. The Navy, against direct orders, in a desperate act to get a cut of the funding ended up attacking the US.
Source 1
Source 2

  • 12.07.2012 8:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
I read it had something to do with the Japanese Navy and Army vying for who would get a cut of government funding. The Japanese had finished a ground war with China, so the Army was most likely to get the funding. The Navy, against direct orders, in a desperate act to get a cut of the funding ended up attacking the US.
Source 1
Source 2


They never finished there ground war in China, they still had the majority of there troops in China even at the end of the war. They attacked pearl harbor because they needed to expand into the "southern resource area" in the pacific. To do that they needed to invade countries and colonial powers territory. The U.S. pacific fleet posed a threat and they knew it would buy them time to expand, secure and reinforce that area. Luckily they never got our aircraft carriers as they were out on exercise.

[Edited on 12.07.2012 8:24 AM PST]

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Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
I read it had something to do with the Japanese Navy and Army vying for who would get a cut of government funding. The Japanese had finished a ground war with China, so the Army was most likely to get the funding. The Navy, against direct orders, in a desperate act to get a cut of the funding ended up attacking the US.
Source 1
Source 2


They never finished there ground war in China, they still had the majority of there troops in China even at the end of the war. They attacked pearl harbor because they needed to expand into the "southern resource area" in the pacific. To do that they needed to invade countries and colonial powers territory. The U.S. pacific fleet posed a threat and they knew it would buy them time to expand, secure and reinforce that area. Luckily they never got our aircraft carriers as they were out on exercise.
They may not have finished the ground war, but at the time if the Japanese government was going to give funding to either the Army (which was currently engaged in a ground war) or the Navy (which wasn't really doing anything at the time), chances are the Army would have gotten the funding.

The inter-service rivalry between the Army and Navy, was strong enough, that the Navy went against direct orders and attacked anyway.

  • 12.07.2012 8:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
According to Wikipedia the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to destroy the U.S fleet which would keep the U.S out of Japan's way while they're taking over the East Indies for precious resources.

  • 12.07.2012 8:27 AM PDT

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"And i will show you where the iron crosses grow..."

- "Cross of Iron"


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Posted by: Raptorx7

Posted by: Murcielago00

Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
I read it had something to do with the Japanese Navy and Army vying for who would get a cut of government funding. The Japanese had finished a ground war with China, so the Army was most likely to get the funding. The Navy, against direct orders, in a desperate act to get a cut of the funding ended up attacking the US.
Source 1
Source 2


They never finished there ground war in China, they still had the majority of there troops in China even at the end of the war. They attacked pearl harbor because they needed to expand into the "southern resource area" in the pacific. To do that they needed to invade countries and colonial powers territory. The U.S. pacific fleet posed a threat and they knew it would buy them time to expand, secure and reinforce that area. Luckily they never got our aircraft carriers as they were out on exercise.
They may not have finished the ground war, but at the time if the Japanese government was going to give funding to either the Army (which was currently engaged in a ground war) or the Navy (which wasn't really doing anything at the time), chances are the Army would have gotten the funding.

The inter-service rivalry between the Army and Navy, was strong enough, that the Navy went against direct orders and attacked anyway.


That isnt true. They didn't attack without warning them government. The government was autocratic and run by the military. They all decided to attack Pearl harbor and even had there diplomat speaking to our government as they attacked Pearl harbor...

  • 12.07.2012 8:28 AM PDT
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Posted by: DarkestSeptagon
Posted by: culexus
Did anyone ever work out why they attacked Pearl Harbour?

Was it simply because they thought the US would not allow them to build an empire in the Far East?
According to Wikipedia the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor to destroy the U.S fleet which would keep the U.S out of Japan's way while they're taking over the East Indies for precious resources.
Based on what I read and know (look at my above posts), I'd say it was more a result of the inter-service rivalry between Japan's Army and Navy at the time. With the Navy trying to get a cut of that sweet government funding.

  • 12.07.2012 8:29 AM PDT