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Subject: Do fans like Reach over Halo 4?

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
There does indeed appear to be a misunderstanding.

I am not raging and have not been raging at any point in our conversation. I have remained neutral throughout the conversation, while you are obviously aiming to enrage. If I was raging, there would be no question about it; I would be directly insulting your intelligence, your Halo-playing abilities, your grammar skills, and anything else I could latch on to.

I am asking questions because I want answers. I don't ask rhetorical questions. I find them to be a childish waste of time. I simply want a civil, genuine answer.

I excluded your words while still responding to them. You completely ignored mine until I brought them up again.

I understand that Reach has a lower population than H4. I also understand that, in my opinion, Reach still has a better MM experience. I am in the minority, but I still have my opinion. Again, do you understand what an opinion is? I am inclined to believe you don't, because you are asking me to prove that my opinion is correct, which is quite contrary to the definition of an opinion.

  • 12.12.2012 2:42 PM PDT

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
I understand that Reach has a lower population than H4. I also understand that, in my opinion, Reach still has a better MM experience. I am in the minority, but I still have my opinion. Again, do you understand what an opinion is?

At last .... an acknowledgement that reach is NOT better, but you like it more.
It took a while, but well done.

At last YOU seem to be grasping the concept between an opinion and a supported fact and/or publicly supported view.
(and yes, I did remove the wall of text/rant in which you attempted to bury this acknowledgement)

  • 12.12.2012 3:38 PM PDT

Posted by: devilmaster13
Oh GodLike One
well a brand new game will pretty much always have more people in it than a game wich is 2 years older, and besides this topic is about everybodys personal opinion, not about how many players play something because that doesnt show anyting since it is brand new.
it would however show if you had the numbers of when halo reach just released, i would like to see those.
Ok, to each point;
"brand new game .v'a. older" ... agree, but also proof that reach failed. Looking at the online numbers (yet again) we can clearly see MW2 at position #9 and reach still %60 lower at #15. And yet MW2 is a year older than reach ... and has to compete against 3 other titles from the same brand and thus player pool ?!?

"everybodys personal opinion" ... except the subject is termed in the collective ... do FANS like ... not "do YOU like". Plus the orange op tried to state "reach is better" - no I prefer reach, no I think reach. So - to keep OT - I counter his claim with the publish fact (thought it fine to counter a claim, but he views it as an attack?!?)

"show numbers when halo reach just released" ... (btw: why dont reach supports look any of this up themselves?!?)
Comparing numbers post launch;
Reach - placed #1 first UU after launch
Reach - placed #3 second UU after launch

Halo 4 - placed #1 first UU after launch
Halo 4 - placed #2 second UU after launch
So yes, comparing the two titles online counts post release also has reach positioned lower (thus less fans playing reach).

And this telling sign is made worse given that reach broke pre-release orders and day-1 sales records on its release (thanks to massive bungie driven hype) ... and yet, despite having a massive lead in an initial count it dropped quicker.

Now ... how does any of this support a claim that fans like reach over H4 (and yes, stay on topic, [b]FANS[b] is a collective not an individual opinion - dont want orange giving another rantwall on the use of english and essay writting - lol)

  • 12.12.2012 4:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
I understand that Reach has a lower population than H4. I also understand that, in my opinion, Reach still has a better MM experience. I am in the minority, but I still have my opinion. Again, do you understand what an opinion is?

At last .... an acknowledgement that reach is NOT better, but you like it more.
It took a while, but well done.

At last YOU seem to be grasping the concept between an opinion and a supported fact and/or publicly supported view.
(and yes, I did remove the wall of text/rant in which you attempted to bury this acknowledgement)
I stated that it was my opinion earlier.

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Sorry, I didn't mean to make a blanket claim. It's my opinion, and I'm kind of in essay writing mode atm so I'm not used to clarifying that everything I type is my opinion and not necessarily a largely shared one.
Better is an opinion. Not everyone defines the same things as better. Therefore, when we're talking about what is better, we are talking in terms of opinions. I cannot prove that my opinion is better with numbers, and neither can you. Your numbers prove which game is more popular, not which game I find to be better.

So now that that is settled, will you acknowledge that we just had a pointless argument due to a simple misunderstanding? Can we then agree to be a bit more civil?

  • 12.12.2012 4:30 PM PDT

I like Reach more than H4. I enjoy normal slayer more than Infinity Slayer and enjoy Bungie's maps more than 343's. 343 might grow into the role though for me. We'll see.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 5:09 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 5:02 PM PDT

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  • 12.12.2012 6:31 PM PDT

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Better is an opinion. Not everyone defines the same things as better. Therefore, when we're talking about what is better, we are talking in terms of opinions. I cannot prove that my opinion is better with numbers, and neither can you. Your numbers prove which game is more popular, not which game I find to be better.

mmmm, subject was "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4"?
So if more people are playing one game over another how can not conclude that the more popular one if the same one fans like playing? ... explain how all these people playing Halo 4 (rather than play reach) are doing so because they like/prefer the game they are not playing ?!?
Or has someone got a gun to their head, forcing them?!?

Or was it that you didnt read the subject and/or just decided to post some random opinion that came to mind ... and then attempt to defend that opinion by introducing more random thoughs about "people lacking education, a learning middle school student"?

  • 12.13.2012 1:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Better is an opinion. Not everyone defines the same things as better. Therefore, when we're talking about what is better, we are talking in terms of opinions. I cannot prove that my opinion is better with numbers, and neither can you. Your numbers prove which game is more popular, not which game I find to be better.

mmmm, subject was "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4"?
So if more people are playing one game over another how can not conclude that the more popular one if the same one fans like playing? ... explain how all these people playing Halo 4 (rather than play reach) are doing so because they like/prefer the game they are not playing ?!?
Or has someone got a gun to their head, forcing them?!?

Or was it that you didnt read the subject and/or just decided to post some random opinion that came to mind ... and then attempt to defend that opinion by introducing more random thoughs about "people lacking education, a learning middle school student"?
It's the internet dude. You new here? No one actually discusses the topic. Observe everyone else in this thread.

And they weren't random thoughts. You're simply too unintelligent to follow them.

-blam!- new kids...

  • 12.13.2012 4:02 AM PDT

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .

Reach all the way.

  • 12.13.2012 4:20 PM PDT

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
It's the internet dude. You new here? No one actually discusses the topic. Observe everyone else in this thread.

And they weren't random thoughts. You're simply too unintelligent to follow them.

-blam!- new kids...
So thats your reply ... an answer ?!?
You deal the whole internet a face slap ... insult 'everyone' on bungie.net as being unable to follow a simple thread ... put special focus on 'everyone else in this thread' as noobs/new kids ... lol - better put your flame suit on.

And again ... to try pull you back on topic ... repeat the question from above;
mmmm, subject was "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4"?
So if more people are playing one game over another how can not conclude that the more popular one if the same one fans like playing? ... explain how all these people playing Halo 4 (rather than play reach) are doing so because they like/prefer the game they are not playing ?!?

Can you answer that one simple question?

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As an overall product that I would spend my money on right now? Reach for sure.

  • 12.14.2012 12:26 AM PDT

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
So thats your reply ... an answer ?!?
You deal the whole internet a face slap ... insult 'everyone' on bungie.net as being unable to follow a simple thread ... put special focus on 'everyone else in this thread' as noobs/new kids ... lol - better put your flame suit on.
...what? lol, it's obvious that you're new here, so why do you keep trying to make enemies? You're the only person in this thread that is talking about which game the fans as a whole like better, while everyone else is talking about which game they like better.
Posted by: Oh GodLike One
And again ... to try pull you back on topic ... repeat the question from above;
mmmm, subject was "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4"?
So if more people are playing one game over another how can not conclude that the more popular one if the same one fans like playing? ... explain how all these people playing Halo 4 (rather than play reach) are doing so because they like/prefer the game they are not playing ?!?

Can you answer that one simple question?
Okay, fine, the majority of fans prefer H4, so the answer to the topic question would be no. Happy that I explained that to you? Too simple-minded to figure that out on your own?

Now you can get back to the topic that everyone else is discussing, which is the quality of both games and not the amount of players on each game.

  • 12.14.2012 3:44 AM PDT

suck your words you

  • 12.14.2012 9:19 AM PDT

you dont have to freakin insolt halo reach suck your words you basturd

  • 12.14.2012 9:20 AM PDT


Posted by: Darkspartan290


1. Take your nerd rage elsewhere.
2. It's called an opinion. You should view this link and learn what that is.

  • 12.14.2012 9:47 AM PDT

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I've never played Halo 4... YET!

But apparently it's only problems are...

Its current settings, Some Bugs/Glitches, Lack of small Team and Symmetrical maps, and no MLG playlist, and no Ranking System, or UNSC Flying vehicles...

And we know MLG is coming, and so is a Ranking System. A Playlist update will add a Classic settings style mode, and the Confirmed series of Title Updates will add Theater for Campaign and Spartan Ops, as well as a fix for the bugs and glitches...

All that's left is a DLC map pack that adds more small maps that have at least ONE sort of UNSC flying do-hickey-machinamabober...

But at its current state, Obviously Halo Reach is Far more superior than the Current state Halo 4.

  • 12.14.2012 10:06 PM PDT


Posted by: Hi GunKoMa
Default H4 is far superior to Reach. People seem to be forgetting Armor Lock and 100% bloom when Reach first dropped.
Ye but you seem to be forgetting the things that make halo 4 terrible. No ranked playlist, join in progress, and personal ordinances make this game the first game about luck. It is pretty hard to say this game is based on skill and has a skill gap when a bit piece relies on luck. Reach was bad I agree but had a small skill gap. There is literally none in halo 4.It becomes oh I rolled two binary rifles and you rolled needlers a roll of the dice.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 10:15 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 10:13 PM PDT

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Okay, fine, the majority of fans prefer H4, so the answer to the topic question would be no.


At last ... well done, was not actually expecting you to get there, but you did.


Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Happy that I explained that to you? Too simple-minded to figure that out on your own?
But you just couldnt let it go ... the rage is strong in you.
(and ironically, it was you who was arguing against that point)

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Now you can get back to the topic that everyone else is discussing, which is the quality of both games and not the amount of players on each game.
lol - but you said in your penultimate post that everyone on bungie.net was far to noob-like to follow a single post ... so how is it now that we have "the topic that everyone else is discussing"?!?

Wasn't it you who said "No one actually discusses the topic. Observe everyone else in this thread" ... so how do we now "get back to the topic that everyone else is discussing" .... lol.
Which topic? ... Darkspartan290 and his enjoyment of you in "suck your words you" perhaps?


You do understand that when you attempt to make a point it actually looks better if your following posts continue to support that point.


  • 12.15.2012 12:33 AM PDT

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
You are indeed persistent. 8/10. I'd score you higher, but you were only really believable for a short time.

  • 12.15.2012 8:43 AM PDT
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The stats were frozen prior to Halo 4 being released. However, I do find games quickly. So the population isn't that bad.

  • 12.15.2012 8:51 AM PDT
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I have no idea what your* talking about. Halo hasn't existed since Halo 3!


You're


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Sounds about right to me.

  • 12.15.2012 11:33 AM PDT

First you asked that we ...
Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Now you can get back to the topic that everyone else is discussing

even though (in your own words) the forum is incapable of discussing a common topic ... and then, as if to prove your own point your latest post wander off track [again]...

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
You are indeed persistent. 8/10. I'd score you higher, but you were only really believable for a short time.
Well WTF was discussing my score (although, thank you, feeling all warm and fuzzy now)
I would like to return the favor, but (in an act of rare kindness, and still in the glow of warm fuzziness) I will refrain as it would be harsh ... given that your only major contribution to your own score would be the admission that you was wrong (and that was delivered late and without much feeling)

  • 12.15.2012 7:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
First you asked that we ...
Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
Now you can get back to the topic that everyone else is discussing

even though (in your own words) the forum is incapable of discussing a common topic ... and then, as if to prove your own point your latest post wander off track [again]...

Posted by: ClearOrangeZero
You are indeed persistent. 8/10. I'd score you higher, but you were only really believable for a short time.
Well WTF was discussing my score (although, thank you, feeling all warm and fuzzy now)
I would like to return the favor, but (in an act of rare kindness, and still in the glow of warm fuzziness) I will refrain as it would be harsh ... given that your only major contribution to your own score would be the admission that you was wrong (and that was delivered late and without much feeling)
k.

  • 12.15.2012 9:05 PM PDT

I like halo reach MM over halo 4. slightly. halo 4s story was crap. halo 4 is a lot of fun. I just liked Reach better.

  • 12.15.2012 11:34 PM PDT

I read through the whole argument between you, Oh GodLIke One and ClearOrangeZero. You are wrong in this argument, GodLike. By "wrong," I mean you are intentionally trying to piss of orange. Repeatedly. You wouldn't even consider his arguments - even when YOU could have ended it by saying nothing... you had to take what orange said in a negative manner. Thus, you had to attack and attack him until he gave into your raging. He actually did a very good job at refraining from lashing back.
Also, by wrong I mean that Orange's arguments were solidly backed up. You just weren't considerate enough to notice. And i mean that your arguments were based off of... one fact. But nothing else, really.
Grow up.

  • 12.15.2012 11:35 PM PDT