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Subject: Do fans like Reach over Halo 4?
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Posted by: WolverineLight
you are intentionally trying to piss of orange. Repeatedly.
lol
even when YOU could have ended it by saying nothing...but doing so will result in this forum become one less user closer to extinction, you should be thankful for Oh GodLike One's replies instead of wrongfully calling him out
you had to attack and attack him until he gave into your raging.what? were you expecting him to just give in after 1 attack?
He actually did a very good job at refraining from lashing backwhatever keeps the forum alive

  • 12.16.2012 12:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: WolverineLight
I read through the whole argument between you, Oh GodLIke One and ClearOrangeZero. You are wrong in this argument, GodLike. By "wrong," I mean you are intentionally trying to piss of orange. Repeatedly. You wouldn't even consider his arguments - even when YOU could have ended it by saying nothing... you had to take what orange said in a negative manner. Thus, you had to attack and attack him until he gave into your raging. He actually did a very good job at refraining from lashing back.
Also, by wrong I mean that Orange's arguments were solidly backed up. You just weren't considerate enough to notice. And i mean that your arguments were based off of... one fact. But nothing else, really.
Grow up.
I appreciate your support, but you're only restating what Godlike and I know. He's trolling, and I have to say he's pretty good at it.

  • 12.16.2012 8:06 AM PDT

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I honestly am not a big fan of either.

Reach was okay, but all I liked about it was Grifball.

Halo 4 needs a lot of work on it, lots of issues with things not working properly. This is why you have a beta for a Halo game. If Halo 5 & 6 don't have a beta I won't purchase it until it gets a price drop.

  • 12.16.2012 9:25 AM PDT

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I like Reach more.

  • 12.16.2012 10:45 AM PDT

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so far, so good.

I prefere Halo 4 gameplay.

But games are aqs laggy as Halo 2. as You have no choice to choose "Prefer Good Connection" like there was in REACH.

Both games are Great. Halo 4 seems to be more balanced, but kill times are much quicker and the DMR is godly.

  • 12.16.2012 1:43 PM PDT

Posted by: WolverineLight
I mean you are intentionally trying to piss of orange. Repeatedly. You wouldn't even consider his arguments - even when YOU could have ended it by saying nothing... you had to take what orange said in a negative manner. Thus, you had to attack and attack him until he gave into your raging.... And i mean that your arguments were based off of... one fact.

Ok ... so if anyone takes any post in a "negative manner" they are meant to just "saying nothing"?!?

And yet ... what example did you provide?
Ironic or what - lol.

Plus read the topic "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4".
How was this "solidly backed up" by orange. Sure he expressed his opinion, but it had no backing ... and as for the actual topic - he even admitted he was wrong and had gone off topic.

I smell a troll.
A troll who is now caught in his own trap of "YOU could have ended it by saying nothing" or giving into a "raging attack" ... because thats what a reply is equal to in your world.
Lets see if your troll trap works - lol.

  • 12.17.2012 2:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: Oh GodLike One
Posted by: WolverineLight
I mean you are intentionally trying to piss of orange. Repeatedly. You wouldn't even consider his arguments - even when YOU could have ended it by saying nothing... you had to take what orange said in a negative manner. Thus, you had to attack and attack him until he gave into your raging.... And i mean that your arguments were based off of... one fact.

Ok ... so if anyone takes any post in a "negative manner" they are meant to just "saying nothing"?!?

And yet ... what example did you provide?
Ironic or what - lol.

Plus read the topic "Do fans like Reach over Halo 4".
How was this "solidly backed up" by orange. Sure he expressed his opinion, but it had no backing ... and as for the actual topic - he even admitted he was wrong and had gone off topic.

I smell a troll.
A troll who is now caught in his own trap of "YOU could have ended it by saying nothing" or giving into a "raging attack" ... because thats what a reply is equal to in your world.
Lets see if your troll trap works - lol.


Dude, just stop, whats the point of making enemies? everyone here is only expressing their opinions, there is no need to keep bashing your head agaisnt the wall just because they dont see things your way. This entire argument is pointless, so why not drop it?
I have to agree with Wolverine, it really felt like you were intentionaly trying to piss off Orange, he had his facts and opinion and damm well stated it.
Now you are trying to pick on Wolverine just for supporting Orange? Come on...thats just down right ridiculous.

  • 12.17.2012 8:59 PM PDT

Posted by: Classic Blaze
Dude, just stop, whats the point of making enemies? everyone here is only expressing their opinions, there is no need to keep bashing your head agaisnt the wall just because they dont see things your way. This entire argument is pointless, so why not drop it?
I have to agree with Wolverine, it really felt like you were intentionaly trying to piss off Orange, he had his facts and opinion and damm well stated it.
Now you are trying to pick on Wolverine just for supporting Orange? Come on...thats just down right ridiculous.

"enemies" ... well if thats all it takes I wouldn't want them as friends.

As for "pick on Wolverine just for supporting Orange" ... wasnt one of orange's own claims based on his want/right to express his own opinion ... and yet you expect me (or anyone else) not to do the same?!?

I will concede that orange was right to state that this forum cant keep on topic, that no one can read a simple thread subject and stick to it.

  • 12.18.2012 5:44 AM PDT
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343 was given a valuable piece of marketing information in the implementation of the Reach Team Slayer title update. The TU update was designed to reduce the effectiveness of armor lock and invisibility among other things and while highly skilled purist hailed it as a great improvement because it reduced the effectiveness of the less skilled players that used special abilities the segment of players that Team slayer served did not see it that way. When the refinements were offered the on line players of the Team Slayer format clearly rejected the change. The rejection was so dramatic that the administrators said that they were blown away to use their own verbiage by the response. Even with the implementation of bonus points of various forms designed to improve the participation rates Super Slayer only pulled about 10% of the head count that the Classic Team Slayer produced on a regular basis.

Halo 4s creators having every good intention of improving the game obviously listened to some excellent first person shooters advice during the development cycle. Universal complaints from outstanding players were addressed. Great on line players gravitate to halo platforms that emphasize sniper weapons, head shot kills with DMRS etc and resent the use of special abilities and super weapons that new players and those of moderate skill levels can use to partially compensate for their lack of professionalism.

Halo 4 has implemented changes that are designed to favor behaviors that skilled players prefer. Weapons are given in the form of ordinance drops as rewards for kills and weapon show up at random fixed points. There are plenty of new and interesting weapons but items preferred by the new or casual players while not eliminated outright are dramatically less effective or much harder to come by.

We now have the irrational battlefield assumption that grenades cant be picked up off the ground from fallen soldiers without a special ability, jet packs that don't really fly anymore, invisibility that isn't really invisible when promethean vision is already a highly effective counter measure, plasma pistols that drain very quickly when powered up effectively making the noob combo harder to pull off, needlers that only fire about 3 times before they are empty etc and it all has a net result that favors the highly skilled players in EVERY play format. The problem with all this is Halo needs to serve multiple market segments. It needs to attract new players, retain casual players that like the game but don't have 30 hours a week to devote to video games and hard core gamers. The best way to do this by offering pro, snipers, swat and arena to those with plenty of time to devote to the art without upsetting play formats that serve the new and numerous casual players.

In the end what I think or any of the other guys on this forum think is immaterial. The extent to which Halo serves or fails to serve important market segments is the extent to which Halo will succeed or fail longer term. In marketing the initial boost of sales called an inaugural sales spike that appears when an anticipated product hits the market gives the surface impression that its doing well but the retention rate is everything. When you look at the online populations for Reach after being out two years and then look at how fast Halo 4s online player count is dropping its likely that Reach is or was a stronger game. In fact if you superimpose the deterioration curve of the previous Halo issues on where Halo 4 is now then its going to fall to a baseline way short of Reach. This IS a problem. I hope that when 343 works on Halo 5 they don't forget the marketing lessons that the Reach TU update should have brought home.

Make no mistake about it the Noob is A key to any games success because they are the growth segment.

  • 12.18.2012 8:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: KaneXX12
I like Reach more.

Me too. I can't even play H4 without feeling disgust...

Sure wish H3's population was still kickin.

  • 12.19.2012 10:35 AM PDT

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None, both games were made poorly.

Halo 3 was the best.

  • 12.19.2012 11:37 AM PDT

They're both great, and better than the barebones trash of halo 1 and 2.

  • 12.19.2012 1:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Firemaster111
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Make no mistake about it the Noob is A key to any games success because they are the growth segment.

Guess you liked your own post enough to repeat it as a stock answer ;)

  • 12.20.2012 2:12 AM PDT

I waited to respond so I could give a somewhat informed response. I would normally sit here and list the unfathomable issues with both Reach and 4. Despite the amount of potential Halo 4 had they really decided that initial profit was more important than making a strong competitive halo game.

TLDR: Reach gets a win over halo 4

Who doesn't miss halo 1 and 2? When the better player had the advantage and you knew when another player was way better than you.

  • 12.20.2012 9:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
I'd personally prefer Reach to Halo 4

  • 12.20.2012 3:12 PM PDT

Posted by: Cowleyad
Sure wish H3's population was still kickin.
It is kinda, just lots of mexicans.

  • 12.20.2012 6:02 PM PDT

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yes

  • 12.20.2012 6:12 PM PDT

Posted by: PotatoGun
yes

Well, cant argue with any of that.

But in that case ... must be a lot of real sad fans out there, as they watch the game they love (but obviously dont play) fall further down the 'good games list'.

Plus Reach is Infinitely More Important than Facebook, (good article, even explains "How are People 'Reached'?")

But in any case, halo fans are starting to look a bit old (not sure I would want that hanging about - call be picky). Mind you, this one doesnt even mention reach ?!?

  • 12.21.2012 12:17 AM PDT

Halo 4 is better. You guys just want to hate every Halo game that going to be created so I'm not surprise you saying Halo 4 sucks.

  • 12.21.2012 9:07 AM PDT


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Okay, kid.

  • 12.21.2012 9:25 AM PDT

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Posted by: M4JOR PwNAg3117
What are your opinions about the two?
Halo Reach blows
Halo 4 prevails because it's AR and shotgun are good


I have to agree with the first statement about why H4 is good. Don't get me wrong I love the Reach AR, but H4 is basically the same but tronger. Idk about that Shotgun statement...

Reach IMO is an AMAZING quality game and I really am tempted to go back to it. If they don't fix the issues w/ H4 than I'll be going back to Reach once I unlock all the specializations.

  • 12.21.2012 10:52 AM PDT

Reach with TU MLG settings >>>> Halo 4.

Comparing Reach to Halo 4 makes Reach feel like an actual Halo game. It's pretty sad.

  • 12.21.2012 12:05 PM PDT

Given it uses the reach engine ... and 343 are running both sets of TU's ... kinda expect the two games to grow alike.

Ironically more people are playing H4.
(even with less units sold)

And if you plot the online player counts from their respective launch dates, H4 is actually ranking better. Still cant touch the COD series, but guess 343 would still be feling happy.
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  • 12.22.2012 12:20 AM PDT
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Posted by: Miz KillZone
Reach with TU MLG settings >>>> Halo 4.

Comparing Reach to Halo 4 makes Reach feel like an actual Halo game. It's pretty sad.

  • 12.22.2012 12:35 AM PDT

Posted by: lambertfan12
Halo 4 is better. You guys just want to hate every Halo game that going to be created so I'm not surprise you saying Halo 4 sucks.
The funny part is that most things that reachtards complain about are core engine faults ... the engine that bungie wrote. Can never tell if they are just plain ignorant or or just willing to forget that small fact.

But it is bungie.net.
You would have noticed that all the pro-Halo 4 threads get locked, yet all the anti ones remain open. Coincidence, think not.

  • 12.22.2012 4:12 PM PDT