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Subject: Dark Knight Rises ending question *spoilers*


Posted by: Frasier Crane
Welcome to the DKR, aka the most plot-hole riddled film of 2012.

It isn't supposed to make logical sense, it was a cop out ending tacked on to please the masses. Literally nothing in that movie adds up.

Right... Want to explain without linking to an awful IGN article?

  • 12.08.2012 3:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Frasier Crane
Welcome to the DKR, aka the most plot-hole riddled film of 2012.

LOL.

Go ahead and elaborate, this should be fun.

  • 12.08.2012 3:49 PM PDT

We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. This is our Heaven, and our Hell.

Bruce Wayne patched the autopilot software 6 months prior and didn't tell anyone. Am I the only one who actually watched the movie?

There was a lot of misdirection that you HAVE to pay attention to in order to understand, take the flashbacks for example. Bruce's hallucination tells the audience that Bane is the child of Ra's. The audience believes it until the twist. There was misdirection in the ending as well regarding Bruce's fate. We find out later that he survived and ran away with Selina.

Saying it's a plot hole is practically an admission of stupidity.

Christ Almighty.



[Edited on 12.08.2012 3:53 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2012 3:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: HighCoin
So is Bruce still alive or was Alfred imagining things? If Bruce is alive how the -blam!- did he survive a nuclear explosion. Even if he did bail out he was still only like 10 seconds away from detonation when they last showed him in the batwing.

He fixed the Batwing's autopilot (as shown when Morgan Freeman's character is examining the software in the epilogue). Most people think Bruce jumped out when he flew through the smoke of the building. He just kept the fact that the autopilot was fixed to himself so everyone thought he died, except for Morgan Freeman, Alfred, and Commissioner Gordon

[Edited on 12.08.2012 3:51 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2012 3:50 PM PDT
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Aliens.

  • 12.08.2012 4:02 PM PDT

1.) "Crack In Time" - Louder Production Music
2.) "Agressive Sucks" - Moss Landing
3.) Custom Version of "Meet Oscar" - Louder Productions Music
4.) "Behind You Rise" - Distortion Music
5.) "Aurora" - Mark Petrie
6.) "Surge Down - Audio Machine

Why do people get all excited thinking Blake is going to be Robin? We don't know anything about what he's become.

The idea Chris Nolan had was to not have Robin in the movie, but to have the presence of a character to represent Robin.
Blake's detective skills, knowing Bruce was Batman without being told, parents dead, and taking care of smaller objectives compared to Batman's such as protecting and transporting civillians.

At the end, Nolan showed us Blakes full name to give us that small nod or "Aha!" moment to the characte of Robin himself.

Who Blake becomes, it's unsure. But like Bruce said, the idea is that anyone can be Batman.

[Edited on 12.08.2012 4:09 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2012 4:08 PM PDT
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I'm listeni- Oh wait I don't give a -blam!- what you have to say.


Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: Frasier Crane
Welcome to the DKR, aka the most plot-hole riddled film of 2012.

LOL.

Go ahead and elaborate, this should be fun.
Instead of wasting a bunch of time, I'll just link this.

Also the biggest plot hole is at the end. How could he possibly have escaped the blast radius of the bomb? He was still in the Bat with 5 seconds on the clock. Unless he can eject and swim over 6 miles in 4 seconds he's toast. Unless the camera shots of the timer and Batman weren't in sequential order, but I doubt it.

And how was he able to fly the bomb so far away from Gotham in 1 minute? It has a 6 mile blast radius and we can see the mushroom cloud is miles in the distance, so we can deduce that it would have detonated about 20 miles away from Gotham, maybe even further. So Batman flew about 20 miles in a minute, which is a speed of 1200 miles per hour. It's possible but Batman would have fainted from the g- forces almost instantly.
And even if the bomb didn't cause a tsunami
that wiped out half of Gotham, the radiation
would have.

  • 12.08.2012 4:08 PM PDT

We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. This is our Heaven, and our Hell.


Posted by: Frasier Crane

Posted by: DarkSunnyboy1
Posted by: Frasier Crane
Welcome to the DKR, aka the most plot-hole riddled film of 2012.

LOL.

Go ahead and elaborate, this should be fun.
Instead of wasting a bunch of time, I'll just link this.

Also the biggest plot hole is at the end. How could he possibly have escaped the blast radius of the bomb? He was still in the Bat with 5 seconds on the clock. Unless he can eject and swim over 6 miles in 4 seconds he's toast. Unless the camera shots of the timer and Batman weren't in sequential order, but I doubt it.

And how was he able to fly the bomb so far away from Gotham in 1 minute? It has a 6 mile blast radius and we can see the mushroom cloud is miles in the distance, so we can deduce that it would have detonated about 20 miles away from Gotham, maybe even further. So Batman flew about 20 miles in a minute, which is a speed of 1200 miles per hour. It's possible but Batman would have fainted from the g- forces almost instantly.
And even if the bomb didn't cause a tsunami
that wiped out half of Gotham, the radiation
would have.



Since when are physics inaccuracies plot holes?

Also, Seeing Batman in the Bat was misdirection, just like how Bruce thought Bane was Ra's child. Did we see him blow up on screen? You can prettymuch assume he survives, unless this is your first time watching a movie.

The most plot-hole ridden film of 2012? Wow, that was a cry for attention.

[Edited on 12.08.2012 4:12 PM PST]

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Posted by: Todge16801
Its explained that he fixed the autopilot. He set it to make it look like he died, when really he just wanted to stop being Batman. Alfred really DID see him at that cafe.

  • 12.08.2012 4:11 PM PDT

He's alive, it's confirmed, there is no room for doubt.

  • 12.08.2012 4:12 PM PDT

Check out my youtube channel. http://www.youtube.com/user/ultratog1028

because high tech state of the art military grade products wouldn't have auto pilot.

  • 12.08.2012 4:12 PM PDT


Posted by: ROFL Wolf1254
Why do people get all excited thinking Blake is going to be Robin? We don't know anything about what he's become.

The idea Chris Nolan had was to not have Robin in the movie, but to have the presence of a character to represent Robin.
Blake's detective skills, knowing Bruce was Batman without being told, parents dead, and taking care of smaller objectives compared to Batman's such as protecting and transporting civillians.

At the end, Nolan showed us Blakes full name to give us that small nod or "Aha!" moment to the characte of Robin himself.

Who Blake becomes, it's unsure. But like Bruce said, the idea is that anyone can be Batman.

I like how they incorporated multiple robin origins into Blake.

Like Dick, he is also an orphan.

Like Tim he deduced Batman's identity for himself and also supports him.

  • 12.08.2012 4:13 PM PDT

We are soldiers without borders, our purpose defined by the era we live in. This is our Heaven, and our Hell.


Posted by: Crazy LlamaX
He's alive, it's confirmed, there is no room for doubt.


Yes, there is no illusion. This isn't -blam!- Inception, he survived.

  • 12.08.2012 4:13 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: Frasier Crane
Instead of wasting a bunch of time, I'll just link this.
That's a comedy article.

Also the biggest plot hole is at the end. How could he possibly have escaped the blast radius of the bomb? He was still in the Bat with 5 seconds on the clock. Unless he can eject and swim over 6 miles in 4 seconds he's toast. Unless the camera shots of the timer and Batman weren't in sequential order, but I doubt it.He wasn't within the blast radius of the bomb, he would have gotten out over Gotham and let the auto-pilot take it, which was the whole point of the auto-pilot scenes.

He wasn't in the Bat over the ocean ever, let alone five seconds before the explosion. It's called cinema, artistic license. You're getting a montage of shots all happening sometime within the timer countdown with no indication of when. Not to mention this is from the director of Momento.

And how was he able to fly the bomb so far away from Gotham in 1 minute? It has a 6 mile blast radius and we can see the mushroom cloud is miles in the distance, so we can deduce that it would have detonated about 20 miles away from Gotham, maybe even further. So Batman flew about 20 miles in a minute, which is a speed of 1200 miles per hour. It's possible but Batman would have fainted from the g- forces almost instantly.Unless he wasn't in the Bat, granting that assessment.
And even if the bomb didn't cause a tsunami
that wiped out half of Gotham, the radiation
would have.
Depends.

  • 12.08.2012 4:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Crazy LlamaX

Posted by: ROFL Wolf1254
Why do people get all excited thinking Blake is going to be Robin? We don't know anything about what he's become.

The idea Chris Nolan had was to not have Robin in the movie, but to have the presence of a character to represent Robin.
Blake's detective skills, knowing Bruce was Batman without being told, parents dead, and taking care of smaller objectives compared to Batman's such as protecting and transporting civillians.

At the end, Nolan showed us Blakes full name to give us that small nod or "Aha!" moment to the characte of Robin himself.

Who Blake becomes, it's unsure. But like Bruce said, the idea is that anyone can be Batman.

I like how they incorporated multiple robin origins into Blake.

Like Dick, he is also an orphan.

Like Tim he deduced Batman's identity for himself and also supports him.


I think Robin being Blake's real name was just a nod to the Character. I know there are many Robin's and making a new one for the sake of surprise wouldn't be a stretch, but one thing sells it for me.

Bruce makes a new Bat-Signal before he leaves Gotham.

  • 12.08.2012 4:16 PM PDT

I'll be honest, I almost cried on the scene where Alfred was crying, a few more seconds and I would have been bawling.

  • 12.08.2012 4:16 PM PDT


Posted by: Ghost Liberty

Posted by: Crazy LlamaX

Posted by: ROFL Wolf1254
Why do people get all excited thinking Blake is going to be Robin? We don't know anything about what he's become.

The idea Chris Nolan had was to not have Robin in the movie, but to have the presence of a character to represent Robin.
Blake's detective skills, knowing Bruce was Batman without being told, parents dead, and taking care of smaller objectives compared to Batman's such as protecting and transporting civillians.

At the end, Nolan showed us Blakes full name to give us that small nod or "Aha!" moment to the characte of Robin himself.

Who Blake becomes, it's unsure. But like Bruce said, the idea is that anyone can be Batman.

I like how they incorporated multiple robin origins into Blake.

Like Dick, he is also an orphan.

Like Tim he deduced Batman's identity for himself and also supports him.


I think Robin being Blake's real name was just a nod to the Character. I know there are many Robin's and making a new one for the sake of surprise wouldn't be a stretch, but one thing sells it for me.

Bruce makes a new Bat-Signal before he leaves Gotham.

Yeah, I don't understand why people think he will become Robin.

The whole movie talks about how Bruce himself is not Batman, but Batman is something in itself and could be anybody (i.e. Blake.)

  • 12.08.2012 4:18 PM PDT

By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

As far as I'm concerned, I like the idea that depicting Batman dying as he flies across the ocean is simply a symbolic representation of Bruce's separation from being Batman. Ultimately, Nolan leaves his endings open so there is room to interpret while still providing a sense of closure and he definitely achieved that.

  • 12.08.2012 4:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: dahuterschuter
And even if the bomb didn't cause a tsunami
that wiped out half of Gotham, the radiation
would have.
Depends.


That's not a plot-hole.

  • 12.08.2012 4:18 PM PDT
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I understand nothing because my life is a conspiracy.

I'm guessing that the flying thing could resist some of the explosion, seeing how it wasn't even damaged by the cannons.

  • 12.08.2012 4:18 PM PDT

>nobody questions the fact that Bruce Wayne dies the exact same time Batman does

lol

  • 12.08.2012 4:19 PM PDT

-blam!- Was that actually blammed out? Or did I just type it? You'll never know.

Posted by: Ghost Liberty
Posted by: dahuterschuter
And even if the bomb didn't cause a tsunami
that wiped out half of Gotham, the radiation
would have.
Depends.


That's not a plot-hole.
I guess that's also true.

  • 12.08.2012 4:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Halofreak60175
>nobody questions the fact that Bruce Wayne dies the exact same time Batman does

lol

As far as everyone else is concerned, Bruce died during the time the city was in chaos.

[Edited on 12.08.2012 4:21 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2012 4:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Crazy LlamaX

Posted by: Ghost Liberty

Posted by: Crazy LlamaX

Posted by: ROFL Wolf1254
Why do people get all excited thinking Blake is going to be Robin? We don't know anything about what he's become.

The idea Chris Nolan had was to not have Robin in the movie, but to have the presence of a character to represent Robin.
Blake's detective skills, knowing Bruce was Batman without being told, parents dead, and taking care of smaller objectives compared to Batman's such as protecting and transporting civillians.

At the end, Nolan showed us Blakes full name to give us that small nod or "Aha!" moment to the characte of Robin himself.

Who Blake becomes, it's unsure. But like Bruce said, the idea is that anyone can be Batman.

I like how they incorporated multiple robin origins into Blake.

Like Dick, he is also an orphan.

Like Tim he deduced Batman's identity for himself and also supports him.


I think Robin being Blake's real name was just a nod to the Character. I know there are many Robin's and making a new one for the sake of surprise wouldn't be a stretch, but one thing sells it for me.

Bruce makes a new Bat-Signal before he leaves Gotham.

Yeah, I don't understand why people think he will become Robin.

The whole movie talks about how Bruce himself is not Batman, but Batman is something in itself and could be anybody (i.e. Blake.)


I don't like how they dismissed Blake during the climax of the movie. They could've given him a more heroic task while still making him want to quit the force.

Bruce has fought the police before... Why couldn't Blake?

Bruce gave him that grenade to throw, why couldn't he have given him the BatClaw? Maybe Blake could've gotten around the bridge with it, we could've gotten a taste of Bat-Blake, and he could've considered being a Cop the wrong choice, all while being a hero.

But no. He shelters kids in a bus so that they don't expect their death. That was his final conflict. A bridge.

[Edited on 12.08.2012 4:22 PM PST]

  • 12.08.2012 4:22 PM PDT
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Because he's mother-blam!- Batman.

Fix'd

  • 12.08.2012 4:22 PM PDT

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