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"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"
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Posted by: Heisenburg
Holy -blam!-, are you a retard?

You are poisoning the people around you, that's a pretty -blam!- thing to do, people shouldn't have to hold their breath to accommodate smokers, since it's -blam!- POISON, also there are many instances where breathing it is unavoidable, but still allowed.


2nd hand smoke is only a problem in poorly ventilated areas (and over a long period of time). Outside isn't poorly ventilated.

People also don't seem to mind breathing in car exhaust fumes every time they walk near a road yet have an apoplexy if a smoker's near them.

  • 12.10.2012 6:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: iRuN KFC
Posted by: Heisenburg
Holy -blam!-, are you a retard?

You are poisoning the people around you, that's a pretty -blam!- thing to do, people shouldn't have to hold their breath to accommodate smokers, since it's -blam!- POISON, also there are many instances where breathing it is unavoidable, but still allowed.


2nd hand smoke is only a problem in poorly ventilated areas (and over a long period of time). Outside isn't poorly ventilated.

People also don't seem to mind breathing in car exhaust fumes every time they walk near a road yet have an apoplexy if a smoker's near them.


BS, As long as you can smell smoke, you are breathing it in, any amount of it is detrimental to your health.
Cig smoke is far more damaging than car exhaust, people are probably ignorant of the damage walking near busy roads is, I avoid walking along busy roads for that very reason.

  • 12.10.2012 6:27 AM PDT

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"
- Bill Hicks


Posted by: Heisenburg
BS, As long as you can smell smoke, you are breathing it in, any amount of it is detrimental to your health.


According to the WHO, 2nd hand smoke is only classified as smoke that's filling enclosed spaces.

So what you breathe in as you walk past someone in the street doesn't count.

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  • 12.10.2012 6:34 AM PDT

Ours in Canada are like that too and about a year ago the pictures started getting significantly worse and took up 75% of the front and back of the box.

  • 12.10.2012 6:38 AM PDT
Subject: So, yeah. Smoking.

Major props to my hommie Sheeef. He made Recon possible for me. Long time recovering emails and passwords. And it was his. lol.

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DONT SMOKE CUZ SMOKEENG R BAD 4 U!!!!!111!!!

Well um... it really is.

I was quoting a thread from a few months ago.
^_^ That was me you quoted. Dddaawwwww. XD

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I don't really care. I mean, to a point, yeah I do care but not enough.

I smoke because I choose to and no picture or discussion will change it. I, however, never smoke around children and other people that don't smoke. I have more respect then that.

  • 12.10.2012 6:43 AM PDT
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Posted by: iRuN KFC
Posted by: Heisenburg
BS, As long as you can smell smoke, you are breathing it in, any amount of it is detrimental to your health.


According to the WHO, 2nd hand smoke is only classified as smoke that's filling enclosed spaces.

So what you breathe in as you walk past someone in the street doesn't count.

That certainly is not the definition of second hand smoke, also in your link says "There is no safe level of exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke."

  • 12.10.2012 6:45 AM PDT

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"
- Bill Hicks


Posted by: Heisenburg
That certainly is not the definition of second hand smoke, also in your link says "There is no safe level of exposure to second-hand tobacco smoke."


That is the definition of 2nd hand smoke according to the World Health Organisation and they probably know more than you or I do on the subject.

The bit about there being no safe level only applies to 2nd hand smoke which they have already defined in the preceding sentence.

  • 12.10.2012 6:52 AM PDT

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If you were my son, I'd be proud.
This. I'd take you out for a dinner at your favorite restaurant.


Quoted by a Mod. Call me a suck up, but I feel pretty damn awesome right now.


Posted by: Heisenburg
I understand that, because the "rules" of smoking is that you should smoke after you eat, so you don't ruin the food. But if you're walking along the street, smoking a butt, and people are complaining about that, it makes me want to punch them. You can hold your breath for 5 seconds while they pass if it bothers you that much.
Holy -blam!-, are you a retard?

You are poisoning the people around you, that's a pretty -blam!- thing to do, people shouldn't have to hold their breath to accommodate smokers, since it's -blam!- POISON, also there are many instances where breathing it is unavoidable, but still allowed.


What? And we're supposed to accommodate for non-smokers? This can go both ways, bub.

It's open air. Air currents are going to sweep that smoke away, limiting your exposure, and keeping you as healthy as ever. Oh, you smelled it? Yep, you're definitely going to get lung cancer because of it.

Stop being such an idiot.

  • 12.10.2012 6:55 AM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
If you were my son, I'd be proud.
This. I'd take you out for a dinner at your favorite restaurant.


Quoted by a Mod. Call me a suck up, but I feel pretty damn awesome right now.


Posted by: Heisenburg
Posted by: iRuN KFC
Posted by: Heisenburg
Holy -blam!-, are you a retard?

You are poisoning the people around you, that's a pretty -blam!- thing to do, people shouldn't have to hold their breath to accommodate smokers, since it's -blam!- POISON, also there are many instances where breathing it is unavoidable, but still allowed.


2nd hand smoke is only a problem in poorly ventilated areas (and over a long period of time). Outside isn't poorly ventilated.

People also don't seem to mind breathing in car exhaust fumes every time they walk near a road yet have an apoplexy if a smoker's near them.


BS, As long as you can smell smoke, you are breathing it in, any amount of it is detrimental to your health.
Cig smoke is far more damaging than car exhaust, people are probably ignorant of the damage walking near busy roads is, I avoid walking along busy roads for that very reason.


Far more harmful? It's smoke, and CO2. Car exhaust is pure carbon dioxide and monoxide. Do you know what carbon monoxide is? Odorless, colorless gas that can kill a man in a matter of hours if they inhale too much of it.

Cigarettes, if they affect you with cancer, because a large part is based on your genetics and how susceptible to cancer you are, take decades to kill a person. Let me stress that word: Decades.

Again, don't be such an ignoramus.

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Posted by: Le Petit Chien
What? And we're supposed to accommodate for non-smokers?

Yes you are, YOU are the one poisoning those who don't have a choice, my right to fresh air is more important than your right to smoke in public places.
Doesn't it bother you people are being poisoned by such actions? Those who don't are worthless pieces of -blam!-, who are selfish beyond belief.

Far more harmful? It's smoke, and CO2. Car exhaust is pure carbon dioxide and monoxide. Do you know what carbon monoxide is? Odorless, colorless gas that can kill a man in a matter of hours if they inhale too much of it.

Please, I know this, cigarettes contain thousands of chemicals, hundreds of which are very toxic and released in smoke, not to mention CO2 and CO.

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Posted by: Heisenburg
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
What? And we're supposed to accommodate for non-smokers?

Yes you are, YOU are the one poisoning those who don't have a choice, my right to fresh air is more important than your right to smoke in public places.
Doesn't it bother you people are being poisoned by such actions? Those who don't are worthless pieces of -blam!-, who are selfish beyond belief.

Far more harmful? It's smoke, and CO2. Car exhaust is pure carbon dioxide and monoxide. Do you know what carbon monoxide is? Odorless, colorless gas that can kill a man in a matter of hours if they inhale too much of it.

Please, I know this, cigarettes contain thousands of chemicals, hundreds of which are very toxic and released in smoke, not to mention CO2 and CO.


I just find it sad that you think the air you're breathing in is "fresh".

  • 12.10.2012 7:07 AM PDT


Posted by: Heisenburg
my right to fresh air is more important than your right to smoke in public places.
so you're saying smokers are worth less than non-smokers and that the guy who smokes because he's addicted and can't stop is worth less than a guy who doesn't smoke? you're a flat out prick if you think that and I hope you step on a rusty nail.

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Posted by: MarlboroMan
Posted by: Heisenburg
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
What? And we're supposed to accommodate for non-smokers?

Yes you are, YOU are the one poisoning those who don't have a choice, my right to fresh air is more important than your right to smoke in public places.
Doesn't it bother you people are being poisoned by such actions? Those who don't are worthless pieces of -blam!-, who are selfish beyond belief.

Far more harmful? It's smoke, and CO2. Car exhaust is pure carbon dioxide and monoxide. Do you know what carbon monoxide is? Odorless, colorless gas that can kill a man in a matter of hours if they inhale too much of it.

Please, I know this, cigarettes contain thousands of chemicals, hundreds of which are very toxic and released in smoke, not to mention CO2 and CO.


I just find it sad that you think the air you're breathing in is "fresh".

I understand the air isn't as fresh as it can be, it's about limiting damage, which these smokers are preventing.

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Posted by: Heisenburg
I understand the air isn't as fresh as it can be, it's about limiting damage, which these smokers are preventing.


There's bigger pollutants to worry about when it comes to fresh air.
Like the millions of cars, factory smog, etc.

But I'm not one to argue, I don't smoke around children or non-smokers.
No matter who's house I'm in I'll go outside on their porch.
If someone's walking towards me I'll switch the cigarette to the opposite side of which they're passing me and I'll try and block the smoke.
Even in the smoke sections of restaurants, which I never sit in, I'll go outside near other smokers or away from other people.

I'm on neither side, but if someone tries to chew me out about smoking while I'm just minding my own business (and even if I try and move away from them as their walking towards me) then I will blow the smoke in your face. And I have done it before.

  • 12.10.2012 7:16 AM PDT

Posted by: DaViDlIkEsPiE2
so you're saying smokers are worth less than non-smokers and that the guy who smokes because he's addicted and can't stop is worth less than a guy who doesn't smoke? you're a flat out prick if you think that and I hope you step on a rusty nail.
In regard to some organ transplants (eg. here), if you smoke, you may be rejected.

Also, have you ever wondered why the life insurance premiums for smokers are higher than normal? Because smokers die early.

  • 12.10.2012 7:22 AM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
If you were my son, I'd be proud.
This. I'd take you out for a dinner at your favorite restaurant.


Quoted by a Mod. Call me a suck up, but I feel pretty damn awesome right now.


Posted by: Heisenburg
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
What? And we're supposed to accommodate for non-smokers?

Yes you are, YOU are the one poisoning those who don't have a choice, my right to fresh air is more important than your right to smoke in public places.
Doesn't it bother you people are being poisoned by such actions? Those who don't are worthless pieces of -blam!-, who are selfish beyond belief.

Far more harmful? It's smoke, and CO2. Car exhaust is pure carbon dioxide and monoxide. Do you know what carbon monoxide is? Odorless, colorless gas that can kill a man in a matter of hours if they inhale too much of it.

Please, I know this, cigarettes contain thousands of chemicals, hundreds of which are very toxic and released in smoke, not to mention CO2 and CO.


I realize there are far more harmful side effects to cars, and airplanes, and factories releasing toxins in to the atmosphere. You're saying those aren't ruining your "Fresh air?"

You ignorant twat. There are far more harmful chemicals being released into the atmosphere, and you're worried about less than 1% of harmful emissions coming from cigarettes? Hop off your high horse and stop being so selfish.

Like MarbMan said, smokers realize what they're doing. A majority of us will go out of range to limit the smoke going in other people's faces. But if you approach us, and complain about the smoke, you have no one to blame but yourself. You put yourself there, and you have to deal with it.

[Edited on 12.10.2012 7:29 AM PST]

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
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Posted by: da bomb drop
Disgusting habit, should be banned, as its something that affects and harms the people around you.


Drinking affects the people around you.
Driving affects the people around you.
Being alive affects the people around you.
Everything on this effing earth affects the people around you.

I don't get what it is about human nature that makes us feel so freakin' entitled to everything. "Smokers shouldn't be allowed to smoke in open air areas because it causes second hand smoke." It's the inhalation of smoke that constitutes as second hand smoke. In a public setting, the chance of inhaling that smoke is extremely low. Plus, it's as simple as holding your breath for 5 seconds while you pass, and then you can breathe your smoggy, crappy air. Only in a home, or a bar, or a private, enclosed setting, with no air flow, is second hand smoking a serious complication.
The rule in Australia is that you shouldn't smoke within ten metres of an establishment that serves food.


I understand that, because the "rules" of smoking is that you should smoke after you eat, so you don't ruin the food. But if you're walking along the street, smoking a butt, and people are complaining about that, it makes me want to punch them. You can hold your breath for 5 seconds while they pass if it bothers you that much.
You can't smoke within ten metres of any establishment that serves food, open air or no.

Before this law people would all stand around the doors of restaurants/pubs/whatever and smoke, regardless of whether or not anyone is eating outside.

The law is clear. You disobey the law and you can get an on the spot fine of $200 to $2000.

Queensland

Smoking is prohibited in all pubs, clubs, restaurants and workplaces in Queensland, as well as in commercial outdoor eating and drinking areas and in outdoor public places (e.g., patrolled beaches, children's playground equipment, major sport stadiums, and within 4 metres of non-residential building entrances). Since 1 July 2006, premises holding a hotel, club or casino liquor licence can designate up to 50% of the outdoor liquor licensed area as a smoking and drinking area. In this area no food or drink can be served, no food can be consumed, no entertainment can be offered and there must be no gaming machines provided. A "buffer", which can be either a 2 metre wide area or a 2.1 metre high screen that is impervious to smoke, must be on the area's perimeter wherever it is adjacent to other parts of the outdoor area usually accessed by patrons. Premises that choose to have such an area must have a smoking management plan for the premises that complies with legislative requirements. For all other liquor licensed premises, and non-liquor licensed premises, from 1 July 2006 there is no smoking at any outdoor eating or drinking place. In May 2009 it was announced that smoking in cars where children under the age of 16 are present was banned and that the power to regulate smoking at pedestrian malls and public transport waiting points such as bus stops, taxi ranks and ferry wharves was transferred to local government.

Quoted from Wikipedia.

Link

Again, the law is clear and to be obeyed.

  • 12.10.2012 7:27 AM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
If you were my son, I'd be proud.
This. I'd take you out for a dinner at your favorite restaurant.


Quoted by a Mod. Call me a suck up, but I feel pretty damn awesome right now.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
Posted by: da bomb drop
Disgusting habit, should be banned, as its something that affects and harms the people around you.


Drinking affects the people around you.
Driving affects the people around you.
Being alive affects the people around you.
Everything on this effing earth affects the people around you.

I don't get what it is about human nature that makes us feel so freakin' entitled to everything. "Smokers shouldn't be allowed to smoke in open air areas because it causes second hand smoke." It's the inhalation of smoke that constitutes as second hand smoke. In a public setting, the chance of inhaling that smoke is extremely low. Plus, it's as simple as holding your breath for 5 seconds while you pass, and then you can breathe your smoggy, crappy air. Only in a home, or a bar, or a private, enclosed setting, with no air flow, is second hand smoking a serious complication.
The rule in Australia is that you shouldn't smoke within ten metres of an establishment that serves food.


I understand that, because the "rules" of smoking is that you should smoke after you eat, so you don't ruin the food. But if you're walking along the street, smoking a butt, and people are complaining about that, it makes me want to punch them. You can hold your breath for 5 seconds while they pass if it bothers you that much.
You can't smoke within ten metres of any establishment that serves food, open air or no.

Before this law people would all stand around the doors of restaurants/pubs/whatever and smoke, regardless of whether or not anyone is eating outside.

The law is clear. You disobey the law and you can get an on the spot fine of $200 to $2000.

Queensland

Smoking is prohibited in all pubs, clubs, restaurants and workplaces in Queensland, as well as in commercial outdoor eating and drinking areas and in outdoor public places (e.g., patrolled beaches, children's playground equipment, major sport stadiums, and within 4 metres of non-residential building entrances). Since 1 July 2006, premises holding a hotel, club or casino liquor licence can designate up to 50% of the outdoor liquor licensed area as a smoking and drinking area. In this area no food or drink can be served, no food can be consumed, no entertainment can be offered and there must be no gaming machines provided. A "buffer", which can be either a 2 metre wide area or a 2.1 metre high screen that is impervious to smoke, must be on the area's perimeter wherever it is adjacent to other parts of the outdoor area usually accessed by patrons. Premises that choose to have such an area must have a smoking management plan for the premises that complies with legislative requirements. For all other liquor licensed premises, and non-liquor licensed premises, from 1 July 2006 there is no smoking at any outdoor eating or drinking place. In May 2009 it was announced that smoking in cars where children under the age of 16 are present was banned and that the power to regulate smoking at pedestrian malls and public transport waiting points such as bus stops, taxi ranks and ferry wharves was transferred to local government.

Quoted from Wikipedia.

Link

Again, the law is clear and to be obeyed.


I wasn't disagreeing with you about the restaurant thing. It should be a common courtesy. But if I'm walking along the street, smoking, I'll do my best to keep it out of other peoples faces. I know they don't want it, so I'm not going to put it in their faces.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
I wasn't disagreeing with you about the restaurant thing. It should be a common courtesy. But if I'm walking along the street, smoking, I'll do my best to keep it out of other peoples faces. I know they don't want it, so I'm not going to put it in their faces.
I think that here in Queensland it's already pretty much limited to outdoor spaces and residential homes.

Four metres away from any commercial establishment is stated, and the law says you can't smoke in your workplace or a car that contains children under 16.

  • 12.10.2012 7:34 AM PDT

Posted by: x Foman123 x

Posted by: Le Petit Chien
If you were my son, I'd be proud.
This. I'd take you out for a dinner at your favorite restaurant.


Quoted by a Mod. Call me a suck up, but I feel pretty damn awesome right now.


Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Le Petit Chien
I wasn't disagreeing with you about the restaurant thing. It should be a common courtesy. But if I'm walking along the street, smoking, I'll do my best to keep it out of other peoples faces. I know they don't want it, so I'm not going to put it in their faces.
I think that here in Queensland it's already pretty much limited to outdoor spaces and residential homes.

Four metres away from any commercial establishment is stated, and the law says you can't smoke in your workplace or a car that contains children under 16.


In the US, you can't smoke in private workplace establishments, and a general courtesy rule is that you don't smoke in another persons house (unless they're a smoker and say it's okay). I only smoke in the car by myself or with my friends who smoke. I never, ever smoke around family in the car, especially my younger sister or my grandmother.

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