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Posted by: Hylebos
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Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Hylebos
If you expect fairness, act in a fair and reasonable manner.
There's absolutely nothing unfair or unreasonable in acquiring a good for the price advertised and demanded by the retailer.


Just because Microsoft is letting you get away with it doesn't morally justify your actions, no more so than people looting stores in a wake of a disaster are justified because there is too much chaos to actually prosecute people.
Woah dude. That's way to extreme, it's more like a store messing up an ad or coupon, and listing, I don't know, a TV for $10 instead of $100, or listing Coke Products as get one free when it intended to be buy one get one free.

Raiding a store and taking stuff for free that DOES cost money isn't the equivalent of someone turning on their Xbox, seeing a map pack for free, and downloading it.
Again, you can take some solace in the fact that you asked before downloading the map pack, and at least brought it to the attention of the people who could fix it.

As for your analogy, I see it more like finding a loaf of bread at the grocery store that did not have a price tag on it. To assume that the store clearly didn't want to sell this piece of bread is silly, and it would be wrong for you to simply walk out with it.

Naturally if you asked an employee if you could take the bread, they would say no, and put a price tag on it, because a grocery store is pretty small scale compared to a global game marketplace. It's why I made more of a comparison to disaster looting because it does a better job capturing the idea of the volume of people participating in this mad rush to grab stuff off the shelves. So many people that it would be unpractical to track down and prosecute every single person who participated.
That's a better analogy I can agree with.

  • 12.10.2012 2:52 PM PDT


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The season pass is pretty much the only reason anyone bought the Limited Edition, the convenience about it was the whole point. It's not like the LE comes with anything else. Anyone who bought the season pass separately should also get a refund. Personally, I don't care that much though, it's just one map pack.

I downloaded Fable II for free off of Xbox Live once too.
The season pass is on the marketplace... why did you need LE?

Just saying, you can rationalize it all you want. You still got what you paid for and they don't owe you a refund. While it would be nice of them to refund you, and some of you probably deserve it, it's probably not gonna happen.
They should at least give us something extra for this. Since we already paid for the season pass which contained 3 map packs
No they shouldn't, and they won't. What did you pay for? The 3 map packs? And you're getting those 3 map packs, aren't you (what other people did or didn't pay to get them is irrelevant, we're discussing a sale between two parties: you and Microsoft)? So why should you be refunded when you've gotten (or will get) all you've paid for?
It's not fair that he paid for something that others are getting for free. Its bad business.
Its not fair that others got it for free and now I have to pay for it, -blam!-

[Edited on 12.10.2012 2:53 PM PST]

  • 12.10.2012 2:52 PM PDT

Posted by: Hylebos
You're putting a lot more thought into all this than necessary if you ask me. I agree with you, and I agree with your analogy, but you're devoting more time to the discussion than it probably deserves. Mainly because everyone doing it is well aware of what they are doing and that it isn't entirely honest or ethical.

  • 12.10.2012 2:52 PM PDT
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No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.

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  • 12.10.2012 2:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
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Posted by: Hylebos
Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: Hylebos
If you expect fairness, act in a fair and reasonable manner.
There's absolutely nothing unfair or unreasonable in acquiring a good for the price advertised and demanded by the retailer.


Just because Microsoft is letting you get away with it doesn't morally justify your actions, no more so than people looting stores in a wake of a disaster are justified because there is too much chaos to actually prosecute people.
Woah dude. That's way to extreme, it's more like a store messing up an ad or coupon, and listing, I don't know, a TV for $10 instead of $100, or listing Coke Products as get one free when it intended to be buy one get one free.

Raiding a store and taking stuff for free that DOES cost money isn't the equivalent of someone turning on their Xbox, seeing a map pack for free, and downloading it.
Again, you can take some solace in the fact that you asked before downloading the map pack, and at least brought it to the attention of the people who could fix it.

As for your analogy, I see it more like finding a loaf of bread at the grocery store that did not have a price tag on it.
Sorry, Hylebos, but this is where it stops being relevant.

The Crimson loaf absolutely has a price tag on it: $0.00. And several thousand happy shoppers have taken said loaves to the register, had them rung up as free, said "thank you!" and have left the building.

So how does the grocer deal with this? Ban those shoppers from his store for buying at the price he advertised? Accuse them of theft? Chase them down and forcibly retrieve the loaves (assuming that this is possible)? Or just say "Oops, my bad, enjoy your free loaves folks! You're welcome!"

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I'm just laughing at all those crying because they shelled out 2000 points for a product that hasn't been released yet, and due to a complete error is made free for a few people.

Grow up. If MS did a 180 and was selling this as free legit, then you could complain all you want. But they aren't. It's a technical error that's only exploited through the in game menu (buy it anywhere else it's 800 points still). This crap, while regrettable, happens. Don't complain and beg for a refund because of it.

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  • 12.10.2012 2:55 PM PDT

There is a certain point of tolerance that should never be reached.

Just going to point out that most of the map pack was probably finished at launch.

  • 12.10.2012 2:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: RighteousTyrant

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Posted by: Garrux
Posted by: masterdrone
The season pass is pretty much the only reason anyone bought the Limited Edition, the convenience about it was the whole point. It's not like the LE comes with anything else. Anyone who bought the season pass separately should also get a refund. Personally, I don't care that much though, it's just one map pack.

I downloaded Fable II for free off of Xbox Live once too.
The season pass is on the marketplace... why did you need LE?

Just saying, you can rationalize it all you want. You still got what you paid for and they don't owe you a refund. While it would be nice of them to refund you, and some of you probably deserve it, it's probably not gonna happen.
They should at least give us something extra for this. Since we already paid for the season pass which contained 3 map packs
No they shouldn't, and they won't. What did you pay for? The 3 map packs? And you're getting those 3 map packs, aren't you (what other people did or didn't pay to get them is irrelevant, we're discussing a sale between two parties: you and Microsoft)? So why should you be refunded when you've gotten (or will get) all you've paid for?
It's not fair that he paid for something that others are getting for free. Its bad business.
That happens all the time, though, actually. Sales, discounts, and such. I bought a Samsung Galaxy S3 for $50. Do you think Samsung is sending refunds to the thousands who bought one for full price? By your logic, that's "unfair" to those people -- but newsflash: business isn't exactly fair.

  • 12.10.2012 2:56 PM PDT


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Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.

  • 12.10.2012 2:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Garrux

Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
It just feels like we got cheated somehow.

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Posted by: Garrux

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Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
I would like to clarify I did not buy Halo 4 AT ALL.

The people who did deserve a refund or something due to the fact that they purchased LE for them privileges. The fact it glitched and people are getting it for free is ridiculous on MS's part. For a company that charges us to use XBL, glitches should NEVER happen.

  • 12.10.2012 3:00 PM PDT

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The season pass is pretty much the only reason anyone bought the Limited Edition, the convenience about it was the whole point. It's not like the LE comes with anything else. Anyone who bought the season pass separately should also get a refund. Personally, I don't care that much though, it's just one map pack.

I downloaded Fable II for free off of Xbox Live once too.
The season pass is on the marketplace... why did you need LE?

Just saying, you can rationalize it all you want. You still got what you paid for and they don't owe you a refund. While it would be nice of them to refund you, and some of you probably deserve it, it's probably not gonna happen.

Halo 4 + the season pass costs about the same as Halo 4 LE. That's why most people just got the LE instead.

I don't feel like rationalizing anything, I'm honestly not that bothered by it. What I was saying is that it would be politically correct for Microsoft to take note and make up for this.

  • 12.10.2012 3:03 PM PDT
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Some are still able to download them for free, at first they cant but they just reboot the game and it's free.

  • 12.10.2012 3:03 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garrux

Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
I would like to clarify I did not buy Halo 4 AT ALL.

The people who did deserve a refund or something due to the fact that they purchased LE for them privileges. The fact it glitched and people are getting it for free is ridiculous on MS's part. For a company that charges us to use XBL, glitches should NEVER happen.
Name one paid software service that is 100% glitch-free.

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  • 12.10.2012 3:04 PM PDT
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Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: Garrux

Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
I would like to clarify I did not buy Halo 4 AT ALL.

The people who did deserve a refund or something due to the fact that they purchased LE for them privileges. The fact it glitched and people are getting it for free is ridiculous on MS's part. For a company that charges us to use XBL, glitches should NEVER happen.
Name one paid software service that is 100% glitch-free.
If I'm paying extra, I expect the best. Not some glitchy system that screws people over.

  • 12.10.2012 3:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garrux

Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
It just feels like we got cheated somehow.
I paid for the season pass and don't feel cheated at all. I got what I paid for, what others paid for it is not my concern. Good on them for getting it for free.

Also you only saved 400 points by buying the season pass, that's the most you could expect MS to refund you. But once again they're not obligated to refund you because you got what you paid for

  • 12.10.2012 3:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garrux

Posted by: derka derka

Posted by: TransmutationXx
No refunds.
Typical Microsoft.
I fail to see why you guys are expecting a refund. You got what you paid for. Plain and simple. Just because a glitch fell through the cracks and gave the maps to a few people for free doesn't mean that they will suddenly be free for everyone.

You guys really are in no position to complain. It sucks and I sympathize with you guys, but you're wrong.
I would like to clarify I did not buy Halo 4 AT ALL.

The people who did deserve a refund or something due to the fact that they purchased LE for them privileges. The fact it glitched and people are getting it for free is ridiculous on MS's part. For a company that charges us to use XBL, glitches should NEVER happen.
Name one paid software service that is 100% glitch-free.

Whoever's the one posting on behalf of the twitter account ought to be fired. Am I the only one who finds him/her extremely obnoxious?

  • 12.10.2012 3:06 PM PDT

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I paid for the season pass and don't feel cheated at all. I got what I paid for, what others paid for it is not my concern. Good on them for getting it for free.

Also you only saved 400 points by buying the season pass, that's the most you could expect MS to refund you. But once again they're not obligated to refund you because you got what you paid for
^ He's right

  • 12.10.2012 3:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: derka derka
If I'm paying extra, I expect the best. Not some glitchy system that screws people over.
You're going to go far in life with that attitude

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If I'm paying extra, I expect the best. Not some glitchy system that screws people over.
You're going to go far in life with that attitude
You carry on giving your money to companies who cut corners.

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If I'm paying extra, I expect the best. Not some glitchy system that screws people over.
You're going to go far in life with that attitude
You carry on giving your money to companies who cut corners.

A mistake was made. We don't live in a perfect world, so deal with it. Stop being a baby already thinking your entitled to this and that due to a small glitch in a incredibly complicated system.

  • 12.10.2012 3:12 PM PDT
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I personally don't think it's right for a game to come out with paid DLC a month after the game was released. So that being said, i'm currently downloading this DLC for free and I am glad to do so.

I hope they make this same mistake with all the other DLC they release.

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