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Subject: What happens to people who paid for Crimson?

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Posted by: Dback139

Posted by: SweetTRIX
As of this point, the LE edition is pretty much a big middle finger to fans. The quality of the outer shell is weak, the "exclusive extras" keep being made non-exclusive. I was comparing the Reach LE and Halo 4 LE versions, and the different in quality behind the fan service is astounding.

MS or 343i, whoever it is affecting these decisions needs to up their game.
See, I don't understand this sense of entitlement. Elaborate on the problem. I own a LE copy as well, and I don't see where the complaining is coming from.

You paid, in advance for 3 map packs. For a small window of time yesterday, you could have gotten Crimson for free. Only a small minority was A.) aware of this and B.) actually got it for free. These things happen, sure, but this is the downside of paying for unknown content before it's available to the consumer.

You're still getting two more map packs that will presumably be $10 a piece when they release. Anyone would be silly to think the same mistake will happen twice.

Then there was the Microsoft code that essentially gifted the Specializations. Big deal, I didn't pay extra money so that I could unlock a specialization early. You can't put monetary value on that.

You still get the LE case, all the contents within, and the Forward Unto Dawn extended cut. Not that this is what people care about, but it adds value over a regular copy of the game.

It's a "buyer beware" market, you can't complain about what you were never promised. This is really just one of those things where if you don't trust a publisher to deliver what you feel is an appropriate compensation for your money, don't give them the money ahead in advance. Whether the maps are good or bad, LE owners already paid for them without doing any research on the quality of said maps.

EDIT: By "promised", I mean that 343i did not "promise" you that non-LE owners would be paying for map packs. It is naturally assumed, but was never explicitly promised.

You should do yourself a favor and lookup the word "entitlement". I made a comparison between a previous Halo LE edition, and pointed out an instance where exclusive content, advertised as such, was made non-exclusive. The former is an observation, pointing out that you're not getting much bang for your buck in the way of fan service compared to the Reach version.

The latter is pointing out that MS is not delivering on what was advertised. I paid for what was advertised, as did many others that placed pre-orders (which I did not), I did not pay for some sort of assumed value. If the publisher falls short of that, then the consumer is well within in their right to be un-happy. FYI, when you advertise an exclusivity you do imply that it is either A: only for those who purchase the right to that exclusivity, or B: only available to those who purchased the right that exclusivity to have it "gifted". If they re-sku the item then that is different, but if they are giving away the same items that were advertised as exclusive/free content to those that didn't pay the premium, they are falling short of their advertisement.

My complaint has nothing to do with a feeling of entitlement, I just feel that MS/343i did a poor job with their first LE edition, from the handling (changes made before/after release) and the overall packaging and included materials (personal nitpick/observation).

[Edited on 12.11.2012 11:48 AM PST]

  • 12.11.2012 11:43 AM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX

You should do yourself a favor and lookup the word "entitlement". I made a comparison between a previous Halo LE edition, and pointed out an instance where exclusive content, advertised as such, was made non-exclusive. The former is an observation, pointing out that you're not getting much bang for your buck in the way of fan service compared to the Reach version.

The latter is pointing out that MS is not delivering on what was advertised. I paid for what was advertised, as did many others that placed pre-orders (which I did not), I did not pay for some sort of assumed value. If the publisher falls short of that, then the consumer is well within in their right to be un-happy. FYI, when you advertise an exclusivity you do imply that it is either A: only for those who purchase the right to that exclusivity, or B: only available to those who purchased the right that exclusivity to have it "gifted". If they re-sku the item then that is different, but if they are giving away the same items that were advertised as exclusive/free content to those that didn't pay the premium, they are falling short of their advertisement.

My complaint has nothing to do with a feeling of entitlement, I just feel that MS/343i did a poor job with their first LE edition, from the handling (changes made before/after release) and the overall packaging and included materials (personal nitpick/observation).
What, AT ALL, is exclusive about paying ahead for a map pack when it's going to be available to everyone on the same day at the same time? Do yourself a favor and look up that word, since you seem to be keen on repping your vocabulary.

The Specialization part, surely, was called exclusive. So, am I to understand that you're basing your $100 valuation off a promise that you'd be exclusively given the opportunity to access the specializations early, even though 343i explicitly stated that they'd determine whether and when to make them available to everyone?

The packaging of a game is never something that I personally never gave two -blam!-s about. It's a fine box I guess, nothing wrong with how it was packaged and it functions as you'd expect a box to function.

All in all, everyone got what they paid for; there's really nothing to complain over. I'm not really sure how they could have done a better or worse job. We were given what was advertised.

[Edited on 12.11.2012 12:14 PM PST]

  • 12.11.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Meh. I don't really care. I bought the war games pack and I'm not that mad about it. In fact, one of my friends who was not planning on purchasing the maps went ahead and got them yesterday. Good for him. Not worth getting busted up over it.

Just seem like the internet found something else to complain about.

Internet's gonna internet, n' all. :)

  • 12.11.2012 12:18 PM PDT

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Posted by: culexus
This is why people think gamers are entitled.

You bought a DLC, but because a few others got it for free because M$ or 343 derped you all deserve refunds?

Get over yourself.

True, this means more people can have fun playing the maps.

  • 12.11.2012 12:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dback139

Posted by: SweetTRIX

You should do yourself a favor and lookup the word "entitlement". I made a comparison between a previous Halo LE edition, and pointed out an instance where exclusive content, advertised as such, was made non-exclusive. The former is an observation, pointing out that you're not getting much bang for your buck in the way of fan service compared to the Reach version.

The latter is pointing out that MS is not delivering on what was advertised. I paid for what was advertised, as did many others that placed pre-orders (which I did not), I did not pay for some sort of assumed value. If the publisher falls short of that, then the consumer is well within in their right to be un-happy. FYI, when you advertise an exclusivity you do imply that it is either A: only for those who purchase the right to that exclusivity, or B: only available to those who purchased the right that exclusivity to have it "gifted". If they re-sku the item then that is different, but if they are giving away the same items that were advertised as exclusive/free content to those that didn't pay the premium, they are falling short of their advertisement.

My complaint has nothing to do with a feeling of entitlement, I just feel that MS/343i did a poor job with their first LE edition, from the handling (changes made before/after release) and the overall packaging and included materials (personal nitpick/observation).
What, AT ALL, is exclusive about paying ahead for a map pack when it's going to be available to everyone on the same day at the same time? Do yourself a favor and look up that word, since you seem to be keen on repping your vocabulary.

It being free was exclusive to those who purchased the LE, not rocket science. I couldn't care less about grammer, you accused me of being "entitled", and that was not the case, period.

The Specialization part, surely, was called exclusive. So, am I to understand that you're basing your $100 valuation off a promise that you'd be exclusively given the opportunity to access the specializations early, even though 343i explicitly stated that they'd determine whether and when to make them available to everyone?
There is nothing on the package stipulating that they may change their minds. The consumers pay for what is advertised, not for what is discussed in web forums.

The packaging of a game is never something that I personally never gave two -blam!-s about. It's a fine box I guess, nothing wrong with how it was packaged and it functions as you'd expect a box to function.
That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but for many others the quality is quite shoddy. At that price point people have come to expect more, plain and simple. Again, that is an issue of critique, not "we were lied to".

All in all, everyone got what they paid for; there's really nothing to complain over. I'm not really sure how they could have done a better or worse job. We were given what was advertised.
No, no we were not, not entirely. If you feel you got what you paid for, then i'm happy for you. But for the reasons discussed, there are reasons for some to feel a little pissed about what they got. Now I don't really feel that 343i/MS owes me something because of what I got vs what I paid for, but I have no issue in pointing out that the Halo 4 LE release was poorly handled, and poorly produced, especially compared to whats come before.

[Edited on 12.11.2012 2:04 PM PST]

  • 12.11.2012 2:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX
It being free was exclusive to those who purchased the LE, not rocket science. I couldn't care less about grammer, you accused me of being "entitled", and that was not the case, period.

You are 100% wrong. Flat out, no debate, you. are. wrong. The extra $40 covers the three map packs and then some. Again, you are getting bent out of shape over the fact that there was an error, and a minuscule number of players got the DLC for free. That is not 343i/MS not living up to their end of the bargain, because there was none. 343i is not at fault for MS's F-up. And, again, you didn't get the maps for FREE, you already pre-paid for it. It's not rocket science. You didn't pay $40 to get something for free. SMH.


There is nothing on the package stipulating that they may change their minds. The consumers pay for what is advertised, not for what is discussed in web forums.
Official communication from 343i is official. Simple as that. The information was made public and anyone with a search bar can access it. What? Would you purchase a car based only on the sticker in the window? No, you're going to read up and make the most informed decision possible. What is advertised on a box is a cliffnotes version of what to expect. How many people do you know buy a game based off the box advertisement? Probably not many, they read up beforehand. Case in point.


That is your opinion, and you're entitled to it, but for many others the quality is quite shoddy. At that price point people have come to expect more, plain and simple. Again, that is an issue of critique, not "we were lied to".
That's fine, but again, as it is an opinion, you've broken down your argument to complaining about a box. The game still comes in the aluminum case. If you don't like it that's fine. I still can't see how this is a selling point.

All in all, everyone got what they paid for; there's really nothing to complain over. I'm not really sure how they could have done a better or worse job. We were given what was advertised.
No, no we were not, not entirely. If you feel you got what you paid for, then i'm happy for you. But for the reasons discussed, there are reasons for some to feel a little pissed about what they got. Now I don't really feel that 343i/MS owes me something because of what I got vs what I paid for, but I have no issue in pointing out that the Halo 4 LE release was poorly handled, and poorly produced, especially compared to whats come before.
You have not demonstrated at all how it was "poorly" handled, produced. You're taking a subjective interpretation, with little to no objective sources, and judging the company because you're not happy. I understand feeling frustrated, but there is NOTHING
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2. no part, share, or trace (usually followed by of ): The house showed nothing of its former magnificence.
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repeat, nothing, that 343i promised and didn't back up. Again, this thread is centered around the glitch that allowed people to get the Crimson DLC for free, and thusly, the basis of your argument. It being free for a small window of time, for a small amount of people is not 343i/MS failing to live up to their end of the deal. It's not. Run the perfect business and get back to me on how easy it is.

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  • 12.11.2012 5:33 PM PDT

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im fine because i mexican and the mexican marketplece didn't get the free maps so my LE is still worth it

  • 12.11.2012 5:40 PM PDT
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It's only 10 dollars. Are people really this dirt poor?

  • 12.11.2012 5:42 PM PDT

So you went to the trouble of clicking on my profile, either to send a group invite or hate message, or to check my Halo stats and call me a BK. I like Peanut Butter Waffles.

Is it really that hard to just erase it completely for the people who got it for free?

  • 12.11.2012 5:42 PM PDT

Pfft, you're basically only paying for one map: Salvage or whatever with the mancannon one is on. I've only played the other two once each; nobody ever votes for them.

  • 12.11.2012 5:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Dback139
You are 100% wrong. Flat out, no debate, you. are. wrong. The extra $40 covers the three map packs and then some. Again, you are getting bent out of shape over the fact that there was an error, and a minuscule number of players got the DLC for free. That is not 343i/MS not living up to their end of the bargain, because there was none. 343i is not at fault for MS's F-up. And, again, you didn't get the maps for FREE, you already pre-paid for it. It's not rocket science. You didn't pay $40 to get something for free. SMH.

You should continue to shake your head, as you don't seem to grasp what i'm talking about. 1st of all, i'm not getting bent out of shape, i'm pointing out a mistake by MS/343i. If you want to pull the fanboy card and defend them in their mistake, thats on you. If they advertise content included in your purchase of a LE, and then give that away under any circumstance, it lessens the value of that LE purchase price. If you don't understand that, you need to remove yourself from this discussion.

Official communication from 343i is official. Simple as that. The information was made public and anyone with a search bar can access it. What? Would you purchase a car based only on the sticker in the window? No, you're going to read up and make the most informed decision possible. What is advertised on a box is a cliffnotes version of what to expect. How many people do you know buy a game based off the box advertisement? Probably not many, they read up beforehand. Case in point.
You're gonna tell me how wrong I am and then throw that up? Companies get sued for not fulfulling what is advertised, the packaging on the product is the end all. It doesn't matter if a company sent out pamphlets to every consumer on the planet, if any trackable % didn't recieve them, what you have on your package (what the end user sees) is the final advertisement. Your car analogy is beyond flawed, talk about apples and oranges. Most gamers are not forum rats, they buy games that look entertaining. MS/343i made no announcement to the general public that I am aware of, if they did, please show me. Their forum does not reach the general public, nor does IGN or any other game media site.

That's fine, but again, as it is an opinion, you've broken down your argument to complaining about a box. The game still comes in the aluminum case. If you don't like it that's fine. I still can't see how this is a selling point.
Generally speaking, one of the draws for LE is the fan service, if you fail to see how the quality of the fan service is a selling point then that may explain your confusion. If it's something you just don't care about, then thats all fine, but for something that pushes towards fans and collectors, quality is key.

You have not demonstrated at all how it was "poorly" handled, produced. You're taking a subjective interpretation, with little to no objective sources, and judging the company because you're not happy.
Pointing out mistakes and poor handling is "juding the company"? You're adorable, and it is quite clear that out of the two of us, you are the one getting worked up. What's to demonstrate? They gave back portions of the exclusive content that was a huge selling point for the LE, the specializtions. Yes this was known, to certain circles, but it was still a poor move on MS/343i part. The "glitch" that allowed the free sale of the Crimson pack is a mistake on their part, once again it devalues the LE as that was a no-charge exclusive (yes, I understand it is tied into the purchase price), implying everyone else had to pay for it.

I understand feeling frustrated, but there is NOTHING repeat, nothing, that 343i promised and didn't back up. Again, this thread is centered around the glitch that allowed people to get the Crimson DLC for free, and thusly, the basis of your argument. It being free for a small window of time, for a small amount of people is not 343i/MS failing to live up to their end of the deal. It's not. Run the perfect business and get back to me on how easy it is.
Once again, i'm not raging about this, i'm not demanding that MS/343i burn or give me free stuff. If you would have cared to read, I have simply pointed out that MS/343i have made mistakes surrounding their content rollout for the LE edition. If you want to choose to ignore that then knock yourself out, but please stop acting like a consumer has no right to point out valid issues, and please stop acting like someone is flipping their lid when their not.

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  • 12.11.2012 6:04 PM PDT

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Nothing is going to happen. Other than LE people getting assmad over it.
This.

  • 12.11.2012 6:07 PM PDT

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im still waiting for them to fix my specialisations, i only have 2 and i should have more because i pre ordered LE. (i had them all until they sent out the codes to every one now i only have two) -__-

  • 12.11.2012 6:10 PM PDT

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  • 12.11.2012 6:11 PM PDT
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This is the perfect opportunity for a life lesson: -blam!- happens. There will be inequalities in the world. You will be wronged and there won't be anything anyone can or will do to make it right.

Deal with it.

  • 12.11.2012 6:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: IrvingI80
They are not free. Anyone who gets them for free will either get them erased, or charged automatically for them. Just a heads-up.


That is a lie. Xbox support tweeted that it was on them and that it was okay to download them for free.
That's what really bugs me about this, i paid for a product in advance, and then they go ahead and just give it out for free(even if it wasn't intentional), and then instead of giving the people who paid their compensation, they turn around and basically say "Hey guys, are we cool yet?"

  • 12.11.2012 6:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
there won't be anything anyone can or will do to make it right.
But that's wrong, MS can refund us or remove the maps from people who didn't pay.

  • 12.11.2012 6:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
there won't be anything anyone can or will do to make it right.
But that's wrong, MS can refund us or remove the maps from people who didn't pay.

I don't think it needs to go there due to the nature of the issue that allowed them to be picked up for free. But MS needs to look at this, and the handling of the Halo 4 LE in general, and learn from it. They had a huge opportunity to show that Halo was in good hands, and they release a lackluster bit of fan service and poorly handled bonus content when compared to Bungies most recent offering.

  • 12.11.2012 6:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: DarkJet7
But that's wrong, MS can refund us or remove the maps from people who didn't pay.

I was speaking in generalities.

And neither of those things are going to happen.

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So M$ makes a mistake. It's 343's fault?

On top of that, there are many users who didn't get the map packs for free. Some did, some didn't. It happens. If you truly want the $10 back too -blam!- bad.

This egocentric outlook on the -blam!- up is hilarious.

  • 12.11.2012 6:22 PM PDT

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What exactly is the problem?

  • 12.11.2012 6:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: SweetTRIX

Posted by: DarkJet7

Posted by: Methew
there won't be anything anyone can or will do to make it right.
But that's wrong, MS can refund us or remove the maps from people who didn't pay.

I don't think it needs to go there due to the nature of the issue that allowed them to be picked up for free. But MS needs to look at this, and the handling of the Halo 4 LE in general, and learn from it. They had a huge opportunity to show that Halo was in good hands, and they release a lackluster bit of fan service and poorly handled bonus content when compared to Bungies most recent offering.
That's another thing that's bugging me, they could at least apologize or give some acknowledgment of their slip up, but unfortunately:
Posted by: Methew
neither of those things are going to happen.

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What happens is Palmer gives Crimson some new toys courtesy of Dalton. While insulting the eggheads

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Posted by: Dragonzzilla
What exactly is the problem?

Crimson Map Pack was handled badly. Very badly.

Map Pass and LE owners couldn't download the maps at first and eventually everyone was able to download the maps for free through the game itself rather than being charged for them.

  • 12.11.2012 6:27 PM PDT

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