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Posted by: MadMax888
Here's my single issue with carrying a firearm in public:

If things do go down, and you decide to use your firearm, you've become judge, jury, and executioner, perhaps without knowing the full extent of the situation.

It's okay, Mr. Badman! You may -blam!-, kill, rob, or any combination of the 3 because I shouldn't have the right to stop you!

  • 12.11.2012 1:30 PM PDT

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ive been around firearms my while life hunting and using them. i know what i am doing and the responsabilty they hold, and if i have a question i ask it. carrying a firearm in public is just more responsablity and just another way for that person to get in trouble. so if a person takes that risk in carrying they better know what happens if you have to use it.
But you literally just implied earlier that you think people should be nicer to you because you carry a firearm. That is an incredibly dangerous attitude to have, as is the attitude that you wished you had been able to carry on campus when you saw the shooting going down because you wanted to get involved.

I don't know you personally, nor do I know your personal opinions or feelings on responsible firearm ownership. But what I am telling you is that it SOUNDS from all of your posts combined like you have an itchy trigger finger and like you're hoping to shoot somebody soon. That may or may not be true, but that's definitely how you appear, and arguments/attitudes like this hurt the cause of all of us who are in favor of responsible firearm ownership and concealed carry.

Take it or leave it, it's just my opinion.


no no no...what i ment to say was that if everyone had a firearm crime would drop which was stated but people would be more friendly to each other knowing that everyone would have a firearm. this is why i like giving presentations and doing things in person rather than email or texts. because you are able to get your point across and there are no misunderstandings.

the night of that shooting i would of drawn, but not fired because he was empty. i only would of done something had he reloaded and started shooting into the crowd or the girls that i was with. i am not going to draw my firearm unless i am not going to shoot unless i am stabbed, shot, or protecting someone else which that would of been the case that night.

if you think that carrying a firearm makes your tough or a badass or better than everyone else than you are carrying for the wrong reason. idk if you have ever noticed this or not. but some police have this mentality that they are better than you because they have a firearm.
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  • 12.11.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Anto91
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OP check Reciprocity when it becomes legal, most likely it will be like colorado.

  • 12.11.2012 1:32 PM PDT
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PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE. PRYING OPEN MY THIRD EYE.

I live in illinois. This should be interesting. In Central Illinois, peoria has a -blam!- ton of crime and arsons and murders. I'm curious how much crime will go down or up.

  • 12.11.2012 1:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888
Here's my single issue with carrying a firearm in public:

If things do go down, and you decide to use your firearm, you've become judge, jury, and executioner, perhaps without knowing the full extent of the situation.


you're really going to be thinking that when someone else is trying to kill you? It's either you or him, I don't think it should be that hard of a choice. I'm not saying that taking a life is a good thing let alone easy, but if your life is in danger you have to protect yourself
Let's set up a hypothetical situation:

You're walking down the street when you turn a corner. Around this corner, you see two men. One has a gun pointed at the other. Without context, you don't know what's going on, and should avoid this situation entirely. Some people might still pull their gun and point it at the armed man. Still others, albeit a small minority, might fire on the armed man. We do not know the full extent of the situation.

  • 12.11.2012 1:36 PM PDT

Yay the murder capital can now carry guns, what a brilliant idea! -__-

  • 12.11.2012 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: DING DONG BANNU
Posted by: MadMax888
Here's my single issue with carrying a firearm in public:

If things do go down, and you decide to use your firearm, you've become judge, jury, and executioner, perhaps without knowing the full extent of the situation.

It's okay, Mr. Badman! You may -blam!-, kill, rob, or any combination of the 3 because I shouldn't have the right to stop you!
You're an idiot for making such assumptions. Where did I say that people don't have a right to defend themselves? I was simply voicing a concern I have with carrying a firearm in public.

  • 12.11.2012 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888
Posted by: BuzzKill9009
Posted by: MadMax888
Here's my single issue with carrying a firearm in public:

If things do go down, and you decide to use your firearm, you've become judge, jury, and executioner, perhaps without knowing the full extent of the situation.


you're really going to be thinking that when someone else is trying to kill you? It's either you or him, I don't think it should be that hard of a choice. I'm not saying that taking a life is a good thing let alone easy, but if your life is in danger you have to protect yourself
Let's set up a hypothetical situation:

You're walking down the street when you turn a corner. Around this corner, you see two men. One has a gun pointed at the other. Without context, you don't know what's going on, and should avoid this situation entirely. Some people might still pull their gun and point it at the armed man. Still others, albeit a small minority, might fire on the armed man. We do not know the full extent of the situation.

You realize that's an exact situation covered in concealed carry courses, right? You're not to draw a weapon unless you are directly threatened. You surrender your right to withdraw from the altercation if you are the aggressor and draw your firearm.

  • 12.11.2012 1:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: Patricio NY
Yay the murder capital can now carry guns, what a brilliant idea! -__-
I thought that was Detroit...

  • 12.11.2012 1:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: DING DONG BANNU
Posted by: MadMax888
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Posted by: MadMax888
Here's my single issue with carrying a firearm in public:

If things do go down, and you decide to use your firearm, you've become judge, jury, and executioner, perhaps without knowing the full extent of the situation.


you're really going to be thinking that when someone else is trying to kill you? It's either you or him, I don't think it should be that hard of a choice. I'm not saying that taking a life is a good thing let alone easy, but if your life is in danger you have to protect yourself
Let's set up a hypothetical situation:

You're walking down the street when you turn a corner. Around this corner, you see two men. One has a gun pointed at the other. Without context, you don't know what's going on, and should avoid this situation entirely. Some people might still pull their gun and point it at the armed man. Still others, albeit a small minority, might fire on the armed man. We do not know the full extent of the situation.

You realize that's an exact situation covered in concealed carry courses, right? You're not to draw a weapon unless you are directly threatened. You surrender your right to withdraw from the altercation if you are the aggressor and draw your firearm.
That's exactly why I brought it up. Not everyone always follows their training to a T.

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As long as gun laws continue to remain highly restrictive, I'm happy.

  • 12.11.2012 1:44 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888
That's exactly why I brought it up. Not everyone always follows their training to a T.

Concealed carry isn't like a hunter's safety course in which you piss away an afternoon and the answers are essentially given to you (which was literally the case when I did my HS). It involves strict testing for both knowledge and application, not to mention stringent background checks.

What you need to keep in mind is that not any random citizen can get a concealed carry permit.

  • 12.11.2012 1:45 PM PDT

You guys make it sound like you live in Kenya where you're going to get shivved any second by some random street thug (which doesn't even happen over there).

"It's either kill or BE KILLED!!!!112!!@11, have your weapon ready"

  • 12.11.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Anto91
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Posted by: DING DONG BANNU
Posted by: MadMax888
That's exactly why I brought it up. Not everyone always follows their training to a T.

Concealed carry isn't like a hunter's safety course in which you piss away an afternoon and the answers are essentially given to you (which was literally the case when I did my HS). It involves strict testing for both knowledge and application, not to mention stringent background checks.

What you need to keep in mind is that not any random citizen can get a concealed carry permit.


Not true, depends on the state, some dont even require a CCW permit, and just buying a gun allows you to do it.

  • 12.11.2012 1:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: Patricio NY
Yay the murder capital can now carry guns, what a brilliant idea! -__-


have you stopped to think why that is? maybe its because they are easy targets because they cant defend themselves?
yorkie

  • 12.11.2012 1:48 PM PDT


Posted by: DING DONG BANNU
Posted by: MadMax888
That's exactly why I brought it up. Not everyone always follows their training to a T.

Concealed carry isn't like a hunter's safety course in which you piss away an afternoon and the answers are essentially given to you (which was literally the case when I did my HS). It involves strict testing for both knowledge and application, not to mention stringent background checks.

What you need to keep in mind is that not any random citizen can get a concealed carry permit.

You do know some states don't require a permit at all right? Constitutional carry

  • 12.11.2012 1:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: DING DONG BANNU
Posted by: MadMax888
That's exactly why I brought it up. Not everyone always follows their training to a T.

Concealed carry isn't like a hunter's safety course in which you piss away an afternoon and the answers are essentially given to you (which was literally the case when I did my HS). It involves strict testing for both knowledge and application, not to mention stringent background checks.

What you need to keep in mind is that not any random citizen can get a concealed carry permit.


Not true, depends on the state, some dont even require a CCW permit, and just buying a gun allows you to do it.

I was under the impression that concealed weapons were illegal in every state though some states allow for open carry.

  • 12.11.2012 1:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates

Well, it's a start. But still far from a total win for gun rights.


What we really need is constitutional carry. It should not be a state issue to decided on CCWL, it should be a federal issue. After all the words, "Right to bear arms" is in the Federal Constitution, and Conceal Carry is in essence, bearing arms.


Keep on fighting Illinois brothers, know that this Californian is behind you in support.

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Posted by: SpartanMk18
What we really need is constitutional carry.
I disagree. There number of people who would be properly trained on how to use their firearm would diminish quickly. The last thing we need is more people with guns that don't know how/when to use them.

[Edited on 12.11.2012 1:52 PM PST]

  • 12.11.2012 1:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: MadMax888
Posted by: SpartanMk18
What we really need is constitutional carry.
I disagree. There number of people who would be properly trained on how to use their firearm would diminish quickly. The last thing we need is more people with guns that don't know how/when to use them.

Agreed with this. The right to carry concealed firearms only helps if you know how to use it without causing more harm than good.

  • 12.11.2012 1:53 PM PDT


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: SpartanMk18
What we really need is constitutional carry.
I disagree. There number of people who would be properly trained on how to use their firearm would diminish quickly. The last thing we need is more people with guns that don't know how/when to use them.

I don't think a lot of people who know nothing about guns would run out and buy one because they no longer need a to get a permit to carry.

  • 12.11.2012 1:55 PM PDT
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All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.


Posted by: MadMax888
The last thing we need is more people with guns that don't know how/when to use them.
I'm just going to quote this, simply because it applies to all issues on gun control. Pro-gun people seem to forget the value of trained shooters, not a cocky gun owner that thinks the solution to every escalated situation is a trigger-squeeze.

  • 12.11.2012 1:55 PM PDT


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Posted by: MadMax888
The last thing we need is more people with guns that don't know how/when to use them.
I'm just going to quote this, simply because it applies to all issues on gun control. Pro-gun people seem to forget the value of trained shooters, not a cocky gun owner that thinks the solution to every escalated situation is a trigger-squeeze.

In my experience it is exactly the opposite.

  • 12.11.2012 1:57 PM PDT

心の中に弱い風が吹いています。

One more year and I can get my CCW License here in AZ.

  • 12.11.2012 1:57 PM PDT


Posted by: Bryanesie
One more year and I can get my CCW License here in AZ.

Isn't Arizona one of the constitutional carry states, like Vermont and a few others?

  • 12.11.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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