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Subject: Concealed carry ban found unconstitutional


Posted by: spartanfornow
Posted by: King Dutchy
Actually, gun ownership kills people.

People with X in their homes are more likely to die from X. Sounds like I should be performing studies for money if that is all you have to achieve. Hey guys, if you drive a car you are more likely to die in a car crash! Brb, sending the government a bill.


If you can't interpret studies, I wouldn't suggest performing any.

  • 12.11.2012 8:26 PM PDT

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

Posted by: coolmike699
Posted by: spartanfornow
Posted by: King Dutchy
Actually, gun ownership kills people.

People with X in their homes are more likely to die from X. Sounds like I should be performing studies for money if that is all you have to achieve. Hey guys, if you drive a car you are more likely to die in a car crash! Brb, sending the government a bill.


If you can't interpret studies, I wouldn't suggest performing any.
Yep. It's very important to know the difference between correlation and causation.

  • 12.11.2012 8:33 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Use your head. The one on your shoulders. No really, just try. Please?

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Posted by: coolmike699
If you can't interpret studies, I wouldn't suggest performing any.

Looking at the statistics from the first study, the majority of homicides are someone you know, during an altercation, grabs the first thing they can kill you with (gun, knife, and then blunt object) and then kills you. I submit that spontaneous use of lethal force is enabled by having something (read: anything) lethal at hand. In these scenarios the best killing tool is the go to weapon and then used. Removing the best killing tool will not stop homicides in a meaningful way, just increase the use of knives, blunt objects, and strangulation.

Same in suicides. It is the most reliable method, therefore it is the most popular. If you remove guns people then have to chose the next most reliable method. You'd see more people cutting, using poison, smothicating/hanging, or jumping.

Doesn't take a genius to make an observation that the best tool is the one most frequently used. If you take nails out of the picture, people will use screws and pegs and glue.

  • 12.11.2012 8:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: coolmike699

Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: coolmike699
it simply restricts what can be done with it. There are many restrictions on when guns can be shown or fired, I don't see why that wouldn't apply to when they can be carried too.
Do you know what the Second Amendment actually says? If so then this should not be a mystery.


A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There's no question that this doesn't keep the government from placing any restrictions on guns.

I have freedom of speech, but that doesn't mean I can yell into a bullhorn in the middle of the street at 2 in the morning. Just like I can have a gun, but that doesn't necessarily give me the right to conceal it and carry it at all times.
I would argue that that's exactly what is meant by "bear" -- as in, on your person at whatever time and place you feel necessary.

  • 12.14.2012 10:27 AM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.


Posted by: shadowknight566
CCW can work both ways. A criminal can walk into a store and hold it up without anyone knowing. On the other side, if a person had his gun out in the open and he happened to be at the bank with a criminal, the criminal will either kill him first or disarm him. The gun he has concealed can possibly save his or others' lives.

  • 12.14.2012 10:27 AM PDT

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