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Subject: Did cortana loved the chef as a lover or as a friend? (spoilers)

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1.-I leave it because Isaac Asimov's I ROBOT is not canon.
2.-You completely missed the entire point of halo 4
3.-You are just making excuses for it to fit your headcanon.

Posted by: PHYNIX CALL

Okay people,

I think maybe this will solve some of the contention of this argument and you can take it or leave it at this.

First, Cortana is a artifical Intelligence and there for is self-aware. which mean under the basic law of robotic
Cortana follows the third law(A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.)

In regard to her selection of noble six,he is selected because Dr Halsey gave her the option of who she wanted as a carrier. Thus the phrase her(Halsey's) opition is in some way as inportant as my own.This demonstrate her following law three.


As for her ability to order marines and johnson, she has the rank of special operation officer Rank as an ONI Command officer All Smart AI have command authoriy according to the Oni operation director. Smart AI are put in control of warships with the captain of ship barley outranking their control so it is not surprising lower rank obey her.She even outranks The master cheif, so that being said Master cheif would answers to her.That why she could tell the cheif to go after captain keyes in the first game.It is why she can tell the cheif to do things against his nature.Dr. Halsey ask her if she could sacrfice herself to complete the mission, to which she could(A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.)
This is why cortana listen to the cheif when he tells her to do somthing.

Wheather you agree or disagree cortana follows the basic rules of Isaac Asimov's. As do every artifical Intelligence programmers.


[Edited on 12.18.2012 8:07 PM PST]

  • 12.18.2012 8:06 PM PDT

I'm sure Chief has had his fair share of dirty thoughts and Cortana has picked up on them.

  • 12.18.2012 8:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: PHYNIX CALL
hello again Darthbill99,

I found your recent reply interesting even more then the first reply. So you are of the opinion that if you break everything down to it simplest basic operation that even the human brain is nothing more then a set in chemical instrutctions? first I am going to ask you,do you know about how materials interact with their enviroment( IE how matter tranform from one state to another, Soild to liquid to gass and the final state energy))The human brain experiences change physically every time an emotion is experience, thus changing how electrical impulse flow through the brain. It is because of this physical change we grow and adapt to our enviroment, unlike a computer program which can only follow it set programming. The human brain react to more then situation then information presented to it in a logical manner. for this example, if you hurt your person vie a cut or bruse you can hurt another part of your body to deflect the sensation of pain. The reason is because unlike a computer program you brain process multitude of stimuli to ajust the electrical impulse sent to it. It does not follow a logical path( ie point one to two and so on) like a computer program. This is the base instinct of feeling and emotion which a computer program can never know or experience. It can emulate the event and copy a reaction the same as the human brain but it is not physically change by the event unlike the human brain. A computer program just follow it instruction. Now to borrow a line from Startrek ( you Humans are so illogical sometimes, it make me wonder how you survived at all).
The physical and chemical changes in the brain that result in emotions are part of the set rules within all biological systems, not just the brain. The brain is wired up so that when it experiences a certain stimuli, a chemical change occurs, leading to a reaction to that stimuli, an emotion. I see no reason why a sufficiently advanced AI couldn't imitate that. Smart AI's also change and learn from experiences like a real brain. The difference is that they don't have unlimited room to grow like a human brain and their logic maps eventually get too interconnected and cause feedback loops that drive them mad and destroy them (i.e. rampancy).

Regardless of all the Science behind it, you must admit that all empirical evidence points to Cortana being an emotionally developed and fully sentient character. She feels fear and embarrassment at her rampancy, to the point that she avoided telling Chief at first even though that could endanger him. She clearly cared for chief, even more than humanity, as you could see with her line, "I'm not doing this for mankind" before she restrained the Didact.

  • 12.19.2012 8:32 AM PDT
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Hello yet again Darthbill99,

I have to admit I've found this argument entertaining. I completely agree with your idea that a computer program can emulate emotion and respond with an approperate responce, but that does not mean it feel the emotion. It us as feeling human being that associate responces with feeling. We attach human characteristics to inanimate object as a way of associating such object in to our perception. The object themselves are inanimate and has no perception at all it is just a thing.

Despite what you may or may not think an object can not express emotions as it is not a living creature.While fantasy try to bridge the gap between fact and fiction, it fail to take into account that inanimate object are not alive and must follow the basic laws of nature. This being said is cortana an interesting character? Yes for the sake of a story, I do find the character cortana to be an interesting part of the story. I hope you understand that this story is fictional and that you do not allow your thinking to be blured from reality. while it is fun to exscape into a fantasy world from time to time,try not to let your perception of a fantasy world cloud your perception of the real world.Cortana is a computer program and a simulation of life and not life, however depending on where they decide to take the story. This maybe challenged in a pure fantasy universe.

now that we have argue weather cortana is alive or not, Let us go back to the original Question.Did cortana loved the chef as a lover or as a friend?

My answer to that question is, nether because a computer program is an object not capable of emotional bonding to a living object.

thank you for an incredable look into your thinking process Darthbill99. I hope you enjoy Halo for it entertainment and not as a measure of your reality.

  • 12.19.2012 12:11 PM PDT

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Chief and Cortana did love each other, they were companions, more then just simply friends, however they were not a romantic couple, neither of them loved each other in the romantic sense.

  • 12.19.2012 1:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: PHYNIX CALL
Hello yet again Darthbill99,

I have to admit I've found this argument entertaining. I completely agree with your idea that a computer program can emulate emotion and respond with an approperate responce, but that does not mean it feel the emotion. It us as feeling human being that associate responces with feeling. We attach human characteristics to inanimate object as a way of associating such object in to our perception. The object themselves are inanimate and has no perception at all it is just a thing.

Despite what you may or may not think an object can not express emotions as it is not a living creature.While fantasy try to bridge the gap between fact and fiction, it fail to take into account that inanimate object are not alive and must follow the basic laws of nature. This being said is cortana an interesting character? Yes for the sake of a story, I do find the character cortana to be an interesting part of the story. I hope you understand that this story is fictional and that you do not allow your thinking to be blured from reality. while it is fun to exscape into a fantasy world from time to time,try not to let your perception of a fantasy world cloud your perception of the real world.Cortana is a computer program and a simulation of life and not life, however depending on where they decide to take the story. This maybe challenged in a pure fantasy universe.

now that we have argue weather cortana is alive or not, Let us go back to the original Question.Did cortana loved the chef as a lover or as a friend?

My answer to that question is, nether because a computer program is an object not capable of emotional bonding to a living object.

thank you for an incredable look into your thinking process Darthbill99. I hope you enjoy Halo for it entertainment and not as a measure of your reality.
I have enjoyed this argument as well, and I'm glad it hasn't degenerated into a flame war as they too often do. I am a little offended that you seem to be implying that I think halo is real and that my perception of reality is blurred however, something that I assure you is untrue. I also contend that if you still see Cortana as an object then you completely missed the whole point of Halo 4. Good day sir.

  • 12.19.2012 1:39 PM PDT

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  • 12.19.2012 3:22 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Cheif saw her as reliable equipment. Nothing more.

He leaves Cortana in Alpha Halo's system without concern for her well-being.
He left Cortana on High Charity without a sweat.
He left Cortana on FuD with a direct message 'Wake me when you need me'. Without any concerns for her input.

Exceptions, He goes back for Cortana in the level Cortana. But that was as much a mission to reclaim valuable assets and prevent potential information leak/abuse as it was for her actual well-being. His other reasons could have been due to making up for his mistake. Leaving a valuable A.I in the hands of the Gravemind was his fault.

In Halo 4 it's different story.

He relies on her in an emotional aspect. Making irrational promises that he can't keep. She almost has him killed. But he just ignores it and lets it happen again. He ignores all constant malfunctioning and issues just so he can cling to Cortana.

[Edited on 12.19.2012 5:06 PM PST]

  • 12.19.2012 4:44 PM PDT

Phynix, in Halo Evolutions story, Heart of Midlothian Mo Ye, an AI said she (In regards to Issac Asimov's Rules of Robotics) used to ignore them all the time. That indicates AI can ignore those rules.

OT: I think they're like brother and sister, but closer. So not necessarily lovers but kinda close.

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Hello Darthbill99,

I'm sorry if I've given you the wrong opinion of what I think. While I can see your point of view on the subject and while I personally think of the character cortana more as a the voice in the head as appose to being an individual seperate from the cheif. Cortana is by right her own indivdual, she is more an application depicted to assist the master cheif in halo 4. the story try to put cortana in the role of close relation to the master cheif. It is in this, I feel that has ruin the base line of the whole story,atleast for me. Cortana is at her core a intelligence insurgent software program. That she/it has no emotional feeling toward the master cheif then a bullet dose with a gun. I think we can agree to disagree on how we each view cortana and leave it at that. hope to see more topic we can discuss.

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Hi ThatOneJedi ,

That is fine but most writers follow the core principal of Issac Asimov's Rules of Robotics, but weather you agree or disagree how they are representive in a story. they are the guide lines used when dealing with AI and or robots.

  • 12.19.2012 9:06 PM PDT

The bible is the best book Ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM A PROUD CHRISTIAN. HALO IS AWESOME BUT GOD IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!
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forerunner AI's don't follow them

You seem to think that asimov is the bible of robotics. But not all fiction writters agree with him.


Posted by: PHYNIX CALL
Hi ThatOneJedi ,

That is fine but most writers follow the core principal of Issac Asimov's Rules of Robotics, but weather you agree or disagree how they are representive in a story. they are the guide lines used when dealing with AI and or robots.


[Edited on 12.19.2012 11:33 PM PST]

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hello BestSpartan117 ,



Reread your post, I said" most writers follow the core principal of Issac Asimov's Rules of Robotics"

  • 12.20.2012 1:58 AM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Cheif saw her as reliable equipment. Nothing more.

He leaves Cortana in Alpha Halo's system without concern for her well-being.
There was no reason for him to think she was in danger, and he also hadn't had time to develope an attachment to her. I do recall him asking if she was alright though.
Posted by: ninjakenzen
He left Cortana on High Charity without a sweat.
What do you mean without a sweat? He promised to come back for her even though he knew that there wasn't much chance of it, and in Halo 3 you could clearly tell that he felt bad for leaving her.
Posted by: ninjakenzen
He left Cortana on FuD with a direct message 'Wake me when you need me'. Without any concerns for her input.
He isn't exactly one for expressing feeling in case you haven't noticed, also what else could they have done?

Posted by: ninjakenzen
Exceptions, He goes back for Cortana in the level Cortana. But that was as much a mission to reclaim valuable assets and prevent potential information leak/abuse as it was for her actual well-being. His other reasons could have been due to making up for his mistake. Leaving a valuable A.I in the hands of the Gravemind was his fault.
He clearly did it primarily for personal reasons, not professional, you also forget that he trusted Cortana with the fate of Earth, even when there was reason to believe she had been corrupted by the gravemind. He trusted her enough that he abandoned Earth when it was about to get attacked by the flood, and went to the Ark because Cortana told him to in a message. That kind of trust goes beyond professionalism.

Posted by: ninjakenzen
In Halo 4 it's different story.

He relies on her in an emotional aspect. Making irrational promises that he can't keep. She almost has him killed. But he just ignores it and lets it happen again. He ignores all constant malfunctioning and issues just so he can cling to Cortana.
His promise to her was no more irrational than his promise to rescue her from the gravemind if you recall. Cortana, malfunctioning or not, is the only way he has to stop the didact. If there was another way to hack through all those doors and portals without endangering the mission and himself he would have used it in a heart beat, for him, duty always trumps personal attachments. I'm not saying he would have given Cortana over to Del Rio if he offered him Roland instead, he values Cortana and his own word far too much to let that ass kill her.

  • 12.20.2012 7:44 AM PDT

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  • 12.20.2012 8:05 AM PDT

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Posted by: PHYNIX CALL
Hello Darthbill99,

I'm sorry if I've given you the wrong opinion of what I think. While I can see your point of view on the subject and while I personally think of the character cortana more as a the voice in the head as appose to being an individual seperate from the cheif. Cortana is by right her own indivdual, she is more an application depicted to assist the master cheif in halo 4. the story try to put cortana in the role of close relation to the master cheif. It is in this, I feel that has ruin the base line of the whole story,atleast for me. Cortana is at her core a intelligence insurgent software program. That she/it has no emotional feeling toward the master cheif then a bullet dose with a gun. I think we can agree to disagree on how we each view cortana and leave it at that. hope to see more topic we can discuss.

Fair enough, we shall simply agree to disagree. *shakes hand.

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Posted by: PHYNIX CALL
hello BestSpartan117 ,



Reread your post, I said" most writers follow the core principal of Issac Asimov's Rules of Robotics"


I hate to sound like a jerk but there is a quote button you know. Bungie placed that function for a reason.

  • 12.21.2012 5:35 PM PDT

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I think it's platonic.

  • 12.21.2012 6:15 PM PDT
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Someone give me one piece of evidence that possibly shows Cortana having a romantic interest in Chief.

None of these reasons:
"She always wanted to touch him, she was more loyal to him than mankind (negating any she was just a robot claim), she was scared of death but died anyway for chief's sake., she stayed with him etc...
"

Are valid.

[Edited on 12.21.2012 6:31 PM PST]

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Hello Bungie Sam,


Since you have added your opinion, what do you think of the whole story of Halo combat evolve. I do not know if your privy to the story or not but I would like to hear your opinion. Did 343 change the story more to fit the new stories or do you think they made a mistake taking the story in their new direction.

  • 12.21.2012 9:27 PM PDT

If you're passionate about the thing you're talking about, I'll always lend an ear.

Posted by: Darthbill99

All you did was speak for an in-game fictional character to fit your interpretation of a relationship that didn't really exist till Halo 4.

Example.

he also hadn't had time to develope an attachment to her.
Excuse #1. Sure, It was only like their first outing together....give them more time, I promise something will happen. The honeymoon coupon will expire before the end of the year. NOOOOOOOO!!! Moar TIME!!!!

you could clearly tell that he felt bad for leaving her.

Excuse #2. I was feeling it the entire campaign. Chief's lonely cries for Cortana kept crawling down my spine.... Remember those annoying Cryptic messages from Cortana? Yeah they were just him breaking down from withdrawal symptoms from Cortana. It was to remind him that he was still in love with her....

He isn't exactly one for expressing feeling in case you haven't noticed
Contradiction to your excuses and full agreement.

he trusted Cortana with the fate of Earth excuse#3
Cortana's possible plan was the best strategic option, not only that what other choice did humanity have. 'Last stand' as Lord Hood put's it? No, I think we all acknowledge that as meh once Half-Jaw had his say. I wouldn't call that trust when you have no other real alternative. But he does trust her. Much like how I trust my xbox to start when I turn it on.

His promise to her was no more irrational than his promise to rescue her from the gravemind if you recall.
Nice a comparison. But irrational? no. Priority? yes.

He didn't actually give any promises in Halo 2. Cortana kinda just slipped it in there. He put the mission before her with no sweat like a good Cheify.

Once he rescued her, he asked for the objective she held.[ Ahhh burn, soz cortana it wasn't all about you] Once he played along first to get her functional. He keeps his promises eh so why turn this around in Halo 4 to. When I make a promise, I just don't plan on keeping it, I just want you to feel good cortana.

Ohhh right, because you the viewers just absorb this crap [Clap clap* Amazing story 9.8 people 5/5 make this a Movie *Whoooo] and make excuses for the Chief so he can have some sort of romantic relationship that 343i had planted. [And some of you, Billy boy, would love]

Whatever example is from Halo 4. You're right. I agree. That's because Halo 4 does not follow the same Chief from 1-3 and anything that Cortana does out of character can just be labeled with the rampancy excuse in 4. So she's immune from any lack of continuity/story consistency.

[Edited on 12.22.2012 5:52 AM PST]

  • 12.22.2012 5:29 AM PDT

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Posted by: ninjakenzen
Posted by: Darthbill99

All you did was speak for an in-game fictional character to fit your interpretation of a relationship that didn't really exist till Halo 4.

Example.

he also hadn't had time to develope an attachment to her.
Excuse #1. Sure, It was only like their first outing together....give them more time, I promise something will happen. The honeymoon coupon will expire before the end of the year. NOOOOOOOO!!! Moar TIME!!!!

you could clearly tell that he felt bad for leaving her.

Excuse #2. I was feeling it the entire campaign. Chief's lonely cries for Cortana kept crawling down my spine.... Remember those annoying Cryptic messages from Cortana? Yeah they were just him breaking down from withdrawal symptoms from Cortana. It was to remind him that he was still in love with her....

He isn't exactly one for expressing feeling in case you haven't noticed
Contradiction to your excuses and full agreement.

he trusted Cortana with the fate of Earth excuse#3
Cortana's possible plan was the best strategic option, not only that what other choice did humanity have. 'Last stand' as Lord Hood put's it? No, I think we all acknowledge that as meh once Half-Jaw had his say. I wouldn't call that trust when you have no other real alternative. But he does trust her. Much like how I trust my xbox to start when I turn it on.

His promise to her was no more irrational than his promise to rescue her from the gravemind if you recall.
Nice a comparison. But irrational? no. Priority? yes.

He didn't actually give any promises in Halo 2. Cortana kinda just slipped it in there. He put the mission before her with no sweat like a good Cheify.

Once he rescued her, he asked for the objective she held.[ Ahhh burn, soz cortana it wasn't all about you] Once he played along first to get her functional. He keeps his promises eh so why turn this around in Halo 4 to. When I make a promise, I just don't plan on keeping it, I just want you to feel good cortana.

Ohhh right, because you the viewers just absorb this crap [Clap clap* Amazing story 9.8 people 5/5 make this a Movie *Whoooo] and make excuses for the Chief so he can have some sort of romantic relationship that 343i had planted. [And some of you, Billy boy, would love]

Whatever example is from Halo 4. You're right. I agree. That's because Halo 4 does not follow the same Chief from 1-3 and anything that Cortana does out of character can just be labeled with the rampancy excuse in 4. So she's immune from any lack of continuity/story consistency.
you accuse me of making excuses to support the feelings he has, while it's you that seems to be doing most of the rationalization here in order to fit your view of what it should be. Chief clearly cared about Cortana, all your so called evidence to the contrary is just manipulation of the facts to fit your view.

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It was definantly romantic

  • 12.22.2012 9:47 AM PDT

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It was definantly romantic

  • 12.22.2012 10:40 AM PDT