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Subject: Predators vs. Sangheili

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Actually the sight thing makes me think that the Elites stand no chance at all. The Predators have a clear advantage.

There is nothing the Elite could do, save covering itself in mud, to hide from the Predator. The Predator, whoever, can remain stealthy from the Elite, as long as it stays dry.

So, the Elite would die pretty quickly.
The Elite has one significant advantage, though: energy shields.


That may even the playing field just a little, but he still wouldn't be able to attack what he couldn't see.

The Predator can see the Elite, the Elite can't see the Predator.

That's a hard advantage to overcome.

Motion sensor would make it a smaller advantage than you might think.

It's a crappy system that allows you to see targets up to a whopping 25 meters away, as red dots.

The Predator's bio mask can spot targets from significantly further distances, that are behind objects as well.

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I wonder where can I learn Sangheili anatomy...
Well Vien's already in the thread, maybe he can, I don't know... take us to a dark alley and teach us all about it...
I need his Sangheili wisdom.
We all do.

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I wonder where can I learn Sangheili anatomy...
Well Vien's already in the thread, maybe he can, I don't know... take us to a dark alley and teach us all about it...
I need his Sangheili wisdom.
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Actually the sight thing makes me think that the Elites stand no chance at all. The Predators have a clear advantage.

There is nothing the Elite could do, save covering itself in mud, to hide from the Predator. The Predator, whoever, can remain stealthy from the Elite, as long as it stays dry.

So, the Elite would die pretty quickly.
The Elite has one significant advantage, though: energy shields.


That may even the playing field just a little, but he still wouldn't be able to attack what he couldn't see.

The Predator can see the Elite, the Elite can't see the Predator.

That's a hard advantage to overcome.
But the Predator will give his position away if he fires his plasma canon. He'd have to rely on his wrist blade to stay cloaked.

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Posted by: Garland
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Actually the sight thing makes me think that the Elites stand no chance at all. The Predators have a clear advantage.

There is nothing the Elite could do, save covering itself in mud, to hide from the Predator. The Predator, whoever, can remain stealthy from the Elite, as long as it stays dry.

So, the Elite would die pretty quickly.
The Elite has one significant advantage, though: energy shields.


That may even the playing field just a little, but he still wouldn't be able to attack what he couldn't see.

The Predator can see the Elite, the Elite can't see the Predator.

That's a hard advantage to overcome.
But the Predator will give his position away if he fires his plasma canon. He'd have to rely on his wrist blade to stay cloaked.

Or the spear.

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Actually the sight thing makes me think that the Elites stand no chance at all. The Predators have a clear advantage.

There is nothing the Elite could do, save covering itself in mud, to hide from the Predator. The Predator, whoever, can remain stealthy from the Elite, as long as it stays dry.

So, the Elite would die pretty quickly.
The Elite has one significant advantage, though: energy shields.


That may even the playing field just a little, but he still wouldn't be able to attack what he couldn't see.

The Predator can see the Elite, the Elite can't see the Predator.

That's a hard advantage to overcome.
But the Predator will give his position away if he fires his plasma canon. He'd have to rely on his wrist blade to stay cloaked.


Shoot and move. That's what we've been shown they do anyways. They fire, and then move to a new location.

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  • 12.12.2012 12:31 PM PDT

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That's funny, because if you could actually read you would know that I said he was a human at PEAK level. A human at his strongest capability. He is not "super human" like so many people believe. He is merely at peak level, which is what I said.
Uh, no. All of the muscular and bone enhancements give Spartan-IIs an unassisted strength far beyond any unaltered human. When John was 12 year olds he killed several ODSTs with a single hit each. When you add the assistance of the Mjolnir armour, that strength gets enhanced by several multiples.
The SPARTAN-IIs are capable of lifting three times their body weight, which is double the normal weight of an average human due to the ceramic bone augmentations, in addition to their increased muscle density. Fred-104 is noted for using his enhanced strength combined with his skills to kill a Brute with his bare hands during Operation: First Strike. Cal-141 was capable of blocking a Jiralhanae Chieftain's Gravity Hammer swing with a single hand, dodging multiple swings from the Chieftain, use her enhanced muscle strength to jump to great heights, and wound the Chieftain with a few punches and kicks. During the events of Halo: The Flood, John-117 was able to use his enhanced strength to kill Covenant Elite's with skull breaking punches. During the events on planet Onyx, Will-043 used his enhanced strength to engage a Hunter pair in hand to hand combat, and succeeded in killing one by ripping the worms out of its body. In the same battle, Kelly-087 engaged three Sangheili Major/Spec-Ops Elite's in hand to hand combat, snapping the wrist of one Elite, taking his energy sword, and cutting three Elite's in half with a single swing.

But please, don't use the non-canon gameplay of the Halo games to say that Elites are weak.
Elites are also supposed to be superior to Spartans.
John fought one that matched his own strength and only won because he was able to take the Elite's plasma pistol.

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Posted by: Garland
Uh, no. All of the muscular and bone enhancements give Spartan-IIs an unassisted strength far beyond any unaltered human. When John was 12 year olds he killed several ODSTs with a single hit each. When you add the assistance of the Mjolnir armour, that strength gets enhanced by several multiples.


MC can lift about 3 times his own body weight without the armour on, so its about 600 at ease. The armour multiplies this effect to about 1200 lbs. The current strongest man in the world can lift 1100 lbs. So yeah, he is basically at peak human strength.

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Posted by: Garland
Uh, no. All of the muscular and bone enhancements give Spartan-IIs an unassisted strength far beyond any unaltered human. When John was 12 year olds he killed several ODSTs with a single hit each. When you add the assistance of the Mjolnir armour, that strength gets enhanced by several multiples.


MC can lift about 3 times his own body weight without the armour on, so its about 600 at ease. The armour multiplies this effect to about 1200 lbs. The current strongest man in the world can lift 1100 lbs. So yeah, he is basically at peak human strength.

Actually his suit increases his strength to two tons. Three tops.

But yeah, he's just under peak without the suit according to the statistics.

  • 12.12.2012 12:39 PM PDT


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Actually the sight thing makes me think that the Elites stand no chance at all. The Predators have a clear advantage.

There is nothing the Elite could do, save covering itself in mud, to hide from the Predator. The Predator, whoever, can remain stealthy from the Elite, as long as it stays dry.

So, the Elite would die pretty quickly.


Motion sensor, combined with an Elite's heightened senses would counter that.

They've got superior technology, superior weapons, superior strengtth and superior agility/speed. The only advantage the Predator has is his vision modes, which wouldn't work on necessarily all Elites since not all of them use it, and their hunter's mentality.

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Posted by: Garland
Uh, no. All of the muscular and bone enhancements give Spartan-IIs an unassisted strength far beyond any unaltered human. When John was 12 year olds he killed several ODSTs with a single hit each. When you add the assistance of the Mjolnir armour, that strength gets enhanced by several multiples.


MC can lift about 3 times his own body weight without the armour on, so its about 600 at ease. The armour multiplies this effect to about 1200 lbs. The current strongest man in the world can lift 1100 lbs. So yeah, he is basically at peak human strength.

Actually his suit increases his strength to two tons. Three tops.

But yeah, he's just under peak without the suit according to the statistics.


Ahh, my Halo knowledge has failed me once more. I should really read the books.

  • 12.12.2012 12:43 PM PDT

As much as I love the dinos, I think the Yautja would win. Not only are they physically stronger, they can't be seen by the Elites while in camo while being able to see the Elites camo or not with their thermal vision. Granted the Elites may have an advantage in an open area with heavy weapons. But even then the Predators could still use their camo. I also think the Plasma caster is more powerful than common Elite weapons.
Also, spin discs.

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Motion sensor,

...It's range is a whopping 20 meters or so. And only displays targets around you, not above or below.

combined with an Elite's heightened senses would counter that.
Heightened senses?

They've got superior technology, superior weapons, superior strengtth and superior agility/speed.
Do you have facts and statistics to back this up?

  • 12.12.2012 12:51 PM PDT


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As much as I love the dinos, I think the Yautja would win. Not only are they physically stronger, they can't be seen by the Elites while in camo while being able to see the Elites camo or not with their thermal vision. Granted the Elites may have an advantage in an open area with heavy weapons. But even then the Predators could still use their camo. I also think the Plasma caster is more powerful than common Elite weapons.
Also, spin discs.


Elites are as strong as a Spartan II, which can lift a couple of tons of that guy above me is right. They would be able to punch you with enough force to cause your head to explode. Alternatively, a cop beat a Predator in hand to hand.

Motion sensor--which is not only limited to 25 meters, canonically--combined with an Elite's heightened senses and reflexes would compensate for active camo.

The caster is more powerful shot per shot than a rifle, but shoots slower. It's a difference between blowing a guy apart in one shot, or tearing him apart limb for limb shot per shot. So it's pretty well matched. Plus, Elites have energy shields. They'd be fast enough to dodge a caster when they see the sights, forcing melee, at which point a Predator would be useless against an Elite's plasma blades.

^^Elites are physically Spartans. A human getting into a fight with an Elite is a death sentence. A human getting into a fight with a Predator is a climactic battle, resulting in the Predator's death. Simple math.

Plus a sensor's range isn't 20 meters. That's gameplay; it wouldn't make sense for an Elite's sensor to be exactly the same as a Spartan's, even if it was canon.

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  • 12.12.2012 12:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: ROBERTO jh
Motion sensor,

...It's range is a whopping 20 meters or so. And only displays targets around you, not above or below.

25 meters. It does in fact show targets that are above and below you. This is seen in Halo 4 and Reach. I know it's gameplay, but you also went off gameplay with the 20 meters part.

combined with an Elite's heightened senses would counter that.
Heightened senses?"Sangheili smell with the use of two nostrils, each a little in front and below the eye socket. Given their predatory nature, a Sangheili's sense of smell is likely very developed."
Taken from Halopedia.

They've got superior technology, superior weapons, superior strengtth and superior agility/speed.
Do you have facts and statistics to back this up?I don't know about a Predator's strength, but Elites are, if not stronger, on par with a Spartans strength.
As for their agility, I got this off Halopedia:
"Their superior agility may also be attributed to their homeworld's higher gravity; the additional strength required to move normally in a high-gravity environment would likely cause them to be more powerful in lower gravity situations

  • 12.12.2012 1:02 PM PDT

Pootis

Predator hunters got fooled by some stupid ass human, non armored "soldiers". An elite's shield can withstand explosives.
Elite wins.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 1:10 PM PST]

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25 meters. It does in fact show targets that are above and below you. This is seen in Halo 4 and Reach. I know it's gameplay, but you also went off gameplay with the 20 meters part.

Then please, explain how far it's range is.

"Sangheili smell with the use of two nostrils, each a little in front and below the eye socket. Given their predatory nature, a Sangheili's sense of smell is likely very developed."
Taken from Halopedia.

Notice the word likely and not definitely.

In FuD, The Elite struggled to find a small group of humans IIRC.

I don't know about a Predator's strength, but Elites are, if not stronger, on par with a Spartans strength.

Ok I'll give you the strength part, but the Predator's vast array of equipment should be able to compensate for this.

And that's just the Hunter's.

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  • 12.12.2012 1:13 PM PDT

Pootis


Posted by: WEE MAN MJJC
In FuD, The Elite struggled to find a small group of humans IIRC.

If that Elite was a Predator, he would have been severely injured by the object that was thrown at him by -Iforgothisname- and possibly even killed after that.

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Predators have better equipment, and they don't die when they get punched twice.
Neither do the elites...O wait you obviously play on easy.

  • 12.12.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: IVI1CR0S0F7
25 meters. It does in fact show targets that are above and below you. This is seen in Halo 4 and Reach. I know it's gameplay, but you also went off gameplay with the 20 meters part.

Then please, explain how far it's range is.

I couldn't find any source that says how far it goes.
Halopedia only talks about gameplay, so I guess we have to rule out the motion sensor.

"Sangheili smell with the use of two nostrils, each a little in front and below the eye socket. Given their predatory nature, a Sangheili's sense of smell is likely very developed."
Taken from Halopedia.

Notice the word likely and not definitely.

In FuD, The Elite struggled to find a small group of humans IIRC.
In the beginning of the Halo 2 level 'The Oracle', Rtas 'Vadumee was able to smell the Flood as soon as they entered the facility. The Flood most likely have a very distinct smell though. I can't think of any other time were their sense of smell was shown.
Plus, you were right about that Elite being unable to smell out the humans.

Since I couldn't find anything on the radars, it seems that the biggest problem the Elites would face is figuring out where the Predators are.

  • 12.12.2012 1:25 PM PDT

Predator wins in all cases.

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Predator wins in all cases.

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Firstly, a lot of the Predator's tech relies heavily on electronics. One plasma shot's EMP is enough to damage/destroy that making the Predator a very easy target.



Secondly, how do we know Elites are warm blooded? Even if they are, they can use their equipment to heat up stuff around them and confuse the Predator's heat sensor.



Just some things to think about.

Edit: Also, the Elite would probably hear any mechanical weapon when it's activated.

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Sangheili have superior physical prowess and slightly more advanced tech.

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