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Subject: 343i - A Look At What's Wrong Right Now

No u

That isn't a very good comparison.

  • 12.12.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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the will to win is the will to destroy

ah dude could you make a group for yourself or something to put your rants on please
EDIT: actually bothered to read your post and can without a doubt say you are on crack

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  • 12.12.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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CTF is god. Praise his name. For the flag is his holy messiah.

Posted by: Bricypoo Nobody quotes me and puts me in their signatures It makes me sad ... :(
My third montage!

Great analogy actually. It's why I feel H4 is still a beta. I know that's harsh and it's not because I want the game to fail, I want it to succeed in every way imaginable, but right now something feels off and I can't put my finger on it.

Now, that being said and at the risk of contradicting myself I've actually found some enjoyment in the DLC playlist. I'm not sure if it's because the maps are better than what is shipped. (I think Harvest is the one true gem out of the three) Or if its the fact that it has a healthy mix of slayer and objective and the teams sizes are just perfect 6v6.

I think it's latter.

  • 12.12.2012 1:22 PM PDT

心の中に弱い風が吹いています。

These Halo threads of yours are getting very old.

  • 12.12.2012 1:23 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: DarkBen64

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: DarkBen64
MS is messing 343i around. 343i are using a lot of new tech and are working together as a new team for the first time. They're using some very clever tech to push the 360 to it's absolute limit. Personally I enjoy Halo 4 and don't get overly emotionally attached to the past games, and don't whine constantly about it.
Not an excuse. Push back the date if you can't put out the game in finished condition. It's not like it's programing issues, file browser wasn't done, the servers weren't stress tested, and the game was CLEARLY never bug tested. It is painful that I can get behind a transparent rock in campaign by just leaving the flat part of the level. No effort needed. Great, they have good graphics, that is expected in this generation. Sending out the game like this is on tier with Dragon Age II.

Complete proof you have no idea what you're talking about.

If they pushed back the date I can guarantee you would be whining about how 343i can't meet deadlines and how they should have the game done by now.

The game is finished. The file browser is an extra, it isn't part of the game, per se. As for the game "CLEARLY never being bug tested" well, I'm not even going to warrant that with a reply. THe servers were stress tested fine. I don't think I've ever played a popular AAA multiplayer title that hasn't had server issues early on.

Good graphics is NOT expected in this generation. Else you'd be -blam!-ing about Halo 3's graphics, since that was this generation too.
Ah yes, features essential to downloading maps aren't important. What do you think drove Halo 3 custom games? They could have and should have pushed the deadline back. I at least can say I would have respected them for that, as it would have been months ago that it was announced.

Yes every big game has issues in the first few days. We are over a month into the game now and there are still issues. There are still obvious glitches and bugs. The update to fix these issues is coming in maybe December, but they don't know for sure. Obvious glitches. I fell behind a rock and got trapped in it. It was not a high rock. This happened multiple times.

Halo 3 was on par with games that came out around it. Halo 4 is on par with games that came out around it. Sales would have tanked if the game had used Halo 3's graphic system. 343i would have been laughed out of the industry. Stop making excuses up for them.

Posted by: flamedude
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I just wish that they would have actually added anything to the Covenant sandbox. All they did was take away, literally nothing was added as far as I am aware of.


I dunno man..... they replaced the Scarab with the Lich. That's got to be good isn't it? Replace the awesome giant all-crushing robot monster with a flying lump of trash, that's going to be amazing isn't it?

And replace the classic iconic Plasma Rifle with a Carbine concept reject and call that an improvement. Because why not?

I agree though. 343i added nothing whatsoever to the Covenant sandbox. And yet they are still the best part of Halo 4, Prometheans are just crushingly boring to fight. Spartan Ops only gets exciting when the Covies get in there (with their fuel rod Elites no doubt).

I still can't get over how many obvious mistakes there are in Halo 4. Really obvious things, that if 343 asked you about 6 months ago you would be able to help with. Don't forget that with H4 the storyline makes little to no sense continuing from H3.

-Should the Chief be wearing the same design of armor in H4? Bear in mind that we're probably going to replace his armor in H5.
-Should we redesign the Dawn? You never ever see it in-game but we are thinking of redesigning it.
-Should we keep the Falcon or bring back the Hornet? We were thinking about removing it
-Should we replace the Plasma Rifle with a new design? Best way I can describe the new one..... a purple loaf of bread with a spout.
-We are thinking of removing Assault and CTF. We will replace CTF with a 'new' version with 'new' rules that 'promote fun'. Thoughts on this?
-We've got a new menu design that doesn't utilize the on-screen space very well, and is clumsy. We know the Reach UI was amazing and easy to use, but we thought we'd change it. How do you feel about that?
-For multiplayer we thought we wouldn't add Mk V, ODST, CQB or even Noble Six' helmet. Noone likes those helmets right?
-Also instant respawn and JIP, the idea is good so we're just going to throw it in there.
-And to top it off we thought we wouldn't have a public beta, because if we did we'd find out all sorts of things that we would have to fix. And thats bad isn't it?

These things are so obvious to me, I have no idea how they slipped passed their quality control. And this is just a small list.

/end generic Halo 4 rant
You and I are one brain and the same. I agree with everything you said.

  • 12.12.2012 1:25 PM PDT

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Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
What house has a rocket pod, has legs, and has a long narrow barrel that probably shoots something powerful?

Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.

I love how you didn't once insult anyone in your op and they just start insulting you. It is obvious, they are butthurt over your opinion.

  • 12.12.2012 1:27 PM PDT

A competitive players main goal is to win.
A casuals main goal is to have fun regardless of whether that results in a win or loss.
It has nothing to do with individual skill or knowledge, it has to do with the reason you play.

We all saw this coming. No game series seems to keep it's quality when it gets past certain amount of games released.. (Well, MGS has, in my opinion)

Look at Final Fantasy games, Call Of Duty, Resident Evil, Tony Hawk..List is long. They've all taken a jump from their original features, "evolved" as devs say, and turned into complete crap.

I personally was a huge Final Fantasy fan, but after many disappointing games, I can't be bothered to be interested about the games anymore. They changed pretty much everything that made the games so good, now SE just makes mediocre JRPG games, that try to please non-JRPG crowds and they sell because it has "Final Fantasy" on it's name.

Same thing with Halo, the original trilogy was brilliant, fantastic. Then it started going slowly down, after I quit playing Halo 4, I really doubt I get excited about future Halo games, sure, I'll probably play the campaign, but the multiplayer has lost it's original charm.

  • 12.12.2012 1:27 PM PDT

I also think that people ignore too many obvious issues for whatever reason.

I like the game, but it has many flaws that need to be addressed and can't just be swept under the carpet.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 1:32 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 1:27 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?


I don't agree with you OP. Halo 4 is a very polished game with a great campaign, great multiplayer, great spartan ops. I find it to be one of the best games of 2012.

  • 12.12.2012 1:28 PM PDT
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Foman is my favorite moderator. <3

No one wants to hear you complain every day all the way until Halo 5, where you will once again vote with your wallet and buy the game.

If you don't like the direction, then don't buy.

  • 12.12.2012 1:29 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?


You make this elaborate comparison but don't state one reason shred of evidence supporting your comparison. Why not?

  • 12.12.2012 1:31 PM PDT

Gameplay wise, it felt more of a sequel to Reach than 3. I'm currently writing a review for the game so I'll save my thoughts for later.

  • 12.12.2012 1:32 PM PDT


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343 in general is what is wrong with 343.
This. They for some reason had the ego and thought they were going to make the greatest Halo.


>This!

  • 12.12.2012 1:32 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: TH3_AV3NG3R
I love how you didn't once insult anyone in your op and they just start insulting you. It is obvious, they are butthurt over your opinion.
It happens every thread I make. If I make any comment on a game or such now I get about 5 posts of Halo 4 hate mail. Kind of funny actually.

Posted by: Metalignus
We all saw this coming. No game series seems to keep it's quality when it gets past certain amount of games released.. (Well, MGS has, in my opinion)

Look at Final Fantasy games, Call Of Duty, Resident Evil, Tony Hawk..List is long. They've all taken a jump from their original features, "evolved" as devs say, and turned into complete crap.

I personally was a huge Final Fantasy fan, but after many disappointing games, I can't be bothered to be interested about the games anymore. They changed pretty much everything that made the games so good, now SE just makes mediocre JRPG games, that try to please non-JRPG crowds and they sell because it has "Final Fantasy" on it's name.

Same thing with Halo, the original trilogy was brilliant, fantastic. Then it started going slowly down, after I quit playing Halo 4, I really doubt I get excited about future Halo games, sure, I'll probably play the campaign, but the multiplayer has lost it's original charm.
I was just talking to my friends about this yesterday. We have been playing Happy Wars as of late and realized we got bored of Halo 4 after just one week. I find however that Black Ops II managed to reinvent the series in a way, they fixed a lot of what was wrong so far. If this trend continues they may yet be saved.

Posted by: MrMassakka
I also think that people ignore too many obvious issues for whatever reason.

"Let them be... They are doing the best they can, they are new, they will bring fixes 2013, it's Halo..."
-blam!- that! They better start pulling their heads of their asses before the playercount finally drops to less than 10k.
It will be Mass Effect 3 all over again. They finally fix the ending, but by that point no one cares enough to bother with it.

  • 12.12.2012 1:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Unanimate Objec
There's no way Nate Hawbaker's favorite hero is Alan Stuart


ALAN IS A BEAUTIFUL MAN!


Posted by: A Good Troll
No one wants to hear you complain every day all the way until Halo 5, where you will once again vote with your wallet and buy the game.

If you don't like the direction, then don't buy.



One must speak is voice to be heard. You really think one person not buying Halo 5 will change things? No, it's impossible.

People don't debate by looking at the issue and asking everyone what they think. They debate by stripping the issue down to its core and swaying the populace to their side. The OP has every right to voice his thoughts, because it might light a match in people's minds that maybe they shouldn't keep defending 343, maybe they should make their voice heard to 343.

Change can't happen by us waiting. You must put the heat on in order to get things done around here.

  • 12.12.2012 1:35 PM PDT
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Where were you when the boycott thread came?

  • 12.12.2012 1:37 PM PDT
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Posted by: Unanimate Objec

Posted by: A Good Troll
No one wants to hear you complain every day all the way until Halo 5, where you will once again vote with your wallet and buy the game.

If you don't like the direction, then don't buy.



One must speak is voice to be heard. You really think one person not buying Halo 5 will change things? No, it's impossible.

People don't debate by looking at the issue and asking everyone what they think. They debate by stripping the issue down to its core and swaying the populace to their side. The OP has every right to voice his thoughts, because it might light a match in people's minds that maybe they shouldn't keep defending 343, maybe they should make their voice heard to 343.

Change can't happen by us waiting. You must put the heat on in order to get things done around here.
your setting fire to the wrong place try the 343 forums

  • 12.12.2012 1:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: cromy1
Posted by: Black Eagle X99
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?


You make this elaborate comparison but don't state one reason shred of evidence supporting your comparison. Why not?


I imagine Eagle feels its unnecessary to specifically state any evidence because its so abundantly obvious or common-knowledge.

-Custom game options not working or missing
-Pre-game lobby is clumsy with strange party rules
-UI is poorly designed and unintuitive and slow
-Forge breaks with palette issues and lighting issues, lack of fine tuning
-Instant respawns destroys advantage of winning a fight
-JIP makes kill/loss stats worthless
-Camo is too hard to see and too easy to abuse
-Map/killbox designs mean players funnel into the center and die. Rinse and repeat.
-New CTF, lack of classic CTF or Assault
-Ordinance drops means good players on hot streaks stay on hot streaks. Enemy players have no chance.
-Lack of ammo on maps. Players run out of ammo.
-Weapon despawning. Players run out of ammo.
-And so on and on

  • 12.12.2012 1:38 PM PDT

Australian.
Send us a game invite. Preeetttyy Pleeaaaseee.

Well Bungie shipped off a half finished game too... (Halo 2)

  • 12.12.2012 1:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: Unanimate Objec
There's no way Nate Hawbaker's favorite hero is Alan Stuart


ALAN IS A BEAUTIFUL MAN!


Posted by: LocknLoader2K8



While you bear a good point, I don't particularly have any issues with Halo 4, aside from the File Browser. I'm the flint and steel, not the flame. If people have an issue with Halo 4, then by all means post it here, but if you expect to have any action done, go to 343.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 1:42 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 1:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: tangodown246
Well Bungie shipped off a half finished game too... (Halo 2)


Well thats true but then thats why the H2 Campaign was awful. Bungie themselves have called the H2 Campaign a "disastrous flaming turd of failure".

The multiplayer was awesome though.

  • 12.12.2012 1:44 PM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: cromy1
Posted by: Black Eagle X99
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?


You make this elaborate comparison but don't state one reason shred of evidence supporting your comparison. Why not?


I imagine Eagle feels its unnecessary to specifically state any evidence because its so abundantly obvious or common-knowledge.

-Custom game options not working or missing
-Pre-game lobby is clumsy with strange party rules
-UI is poorly designed and unintuitive and slow
-Forge breaks with palette issues and lighting issues, lack of fine tuning
-Instant respawns destroys advantage of winning a fight
-JIP makes kill/loss stats worthless
-Camo is too hard to see and too easy to abuse
-Map/killbox designs mean players funnel into the center and die. Rinse and repeat.
-New CTF, lack of classic CTF or Assault
-Ordinance drops means good players on hot streaks stay on hot streaks. Enemy players have no chance.
-Lack of ammo on maps. Players run out of ammo.
-Weapon despawning. Players run out of ammo.
-And so on and on
half of that is subjective. Jesus Christ Flood. The majority opinion on Bnet or Waypoint is not the majority opinion, either.

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Posted by: Unanimate Objec

Posted by: LocknLoader2K8



While you bear a good point, I don't particularly have any issues with Halo 4, aside from the File Browser. I'm the flint and steel, not the flame. If people have an issue with Halo 4, then by all means post it here, but if you expect to have any action done, go to 343.
yet again i have no problems with it and it was wrong of me to make the assumption that you did but yeah really think the people who do hate it should just make a group to spread their rapid foam ranting between like minded people.

  • 12.12.2012 1:45 PM PDT

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Posted by: Unanimate Objec
If people have an issue with Halo 4, then by all means post it here, but if you expect to have any action done, go to 343.


Hmmm.... I'd love to agree with you but with Waypoint they've made it perfectly clear that they want no interaction with their own community. Frankie posts more on Neogaf than his own company website, despite all the pleas for feedback on issues.

  • 12.12.2012 1:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: flamedude

Only some of those line up with OP's analogy of getting a broken TV. The others are subjective.

Even then, a video game is not a TV. A video game is infinitely more complex. Which is why I'm tolerant of buggy games.

  • 12.12.2012 1:47 PM PDT