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Subject: 343i - A Look At What's Wrong Right Now

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Posted by: Edmi Wohusee
Posted by: flamedude
I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.

It's called respecting opinions, you should try it.


Pump the brakes. This is nothing about "respecting opinions" it's a discussion. That's the great thing about opinions, there is no right or wrong one.

  • 12.12.2012 8:49 PM PDT
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Posted by: Edmi Wohusee
Posted by: flamedude
I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.

It's called respecting opinions, you should try it.

No, -blam!- you. You're entitled to your opinion, but we're entitled to point and laugh at your for attempting to justify a broken and incomplete product on behalf of a multi-billion dollar corporation.

  • 12.12.2012 8:49 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: cromy1

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?


You make this elaborate comparison but don't state one reason shred of evidence supporting your comparison. Why not?
I thought the comparison was for the most part very obvious. The inputs missing refer to features like file browser that over a month into release still do not work. The lack of packing material is more of a dig at the flimsy cases they now use on Xbox games. The same goes for the lack of manual, though Halo 4 is the worst offender, as we don't even get a pamphlet. Rather the "manual" is printed on the inside of the cover.

Unfinished TV is an obvious comparison to the unfinished Halo 4. The company line is obvious as well. The HD TV is the Halo 4 LE which as we all know lost quite a few "exclusives". The nice box is the nice LE box. As for the nice manual, the "journal" given with the LE was just a very nice looking game manual. Very disappointing when compared to the novel length Halsey journal. The random shut of is the comparison to the shoddy servers Halo 4 has over a month into release. Even Happy Wars, a free to play MMO, has more reliable servers.

I really thought these comparisons were obvious, but since enough of you felt the need to mention it I have explained it completely.

  • 12.12.2012 9:34 PM PDT


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Posted by: flamedude
I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.

It's called opinions. Halo didn't ship broken or half finished, it shipped completed and on time. People just think it's broken and unfinished because you all can't understand the concept that this is mother-blam!- Halo 4.


But it really did ship broken. A lot of custom game options are broken or missing, Forge regularly breaks with certain palettes being utterly unusable and this lighting that they were so proud of breaks as well leaving weird shadows everywhere.

So it's not opinions, its fact. The game has actual broken things. I'm not talking about the DMR being broken or the ordinance drops being broken, I'm talking about actually broken things. i.e. they are meant to work but don't work.
I can attest for this. Especially custom games, it's almost impossible to play any of the game modes I used to back in Halo 3.

  • 12.12.2012 9:49 PM PDT

Major props to my hommie Sheeef. He made Recon possible for me. Long time recovering emails and passwords. And it was his. lol.

WTF?! Earlier this thread was "locked" and/or the OP was banned/locked.
Now it's not? Uhh why....?

  • 12.12.2012 9:50 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

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Posted by: flamedude
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Posted by: flamedude
I do find it strange how many people can so passionately defend an incomplete and broken product. And particularly how none of the major gaming blogs have noticed it.

It's called opinions. Halo didn't ship broken or half finished, it shipped completed and on time. People just think it's broken and unfinished because you all can't understand the concept that this is mother-blam!- Halo 4.


But it really did ship broken. A lot of custom game options are broken or missing, Forge regularly breaks with certain palettes being utterly unusable and this lighting that they were so proud of breaks as well leaving weird shadows everywhere.

So it's not opinions, its fact. The game has actual broken things. I'm not talking about the DMR being broken or the ordinance drops being broken, I'm talking about actually broken things. i.e. they are meant to work but don't work.
I can attest for this. Especially custom games, it's almost impossible to play any of the game modes I used to back in Halo 3.
I agree. They dropped the ball, on infection especially. It makes me sad that I'll have to move to Far Cry for my prison games now.

Posted by: AR IS4 NUBS
WTF?! Earlier this thread was "locked" and/or the OP was banned/locked.
Now it's not? Uhh why....?
Huh, well that's interesting. I'm assuming it was just a lock as I received no message about a ban, most likely the moderator reevaluated the thread and decided it was within the rules. Something along those lines, if it's true anyway.

  • 12.12.2012 9:57 PM PDT

That sounds just like my TV!

  • 12.12.2012 10:07 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

Credentials for my multiplayer argument/rant

HT Top 50 Team Objective win/loss (Reach)
2 50s in Halo 3
2.5 k/d (Reach)

Right. Now that those tidbits are out of the way, let me get on with my list of complaints.

-FILE BROWSER STILL DOES NOT WORK. It has been about a month. I might understand week 1 problems, week 2 might be pushing it, but come on 343. Week 3 and you still can't use the file browser to find gametypes outside of searching the creator's GT. And no, it doesn't exactly count as "working" when 80% of the feature is nonfunctional.

-CTF HAS BEEN DUMBED DOWN. No, you can't debate this. You don't go from having two ways to run a flag to having one and call it "smarter playing." Remind me exactly how having an undroppable flag and a giant waypoint over your head makes running flags "smarter?"

-CUSTOM GAME OPTIONS DON'T WORK. At the moment, the only way to disable sprint and Instant Spawn is through modded gametypes.

-MAPS SUDDENLY TURN INTO A FREE TRIAL. Remember when the Egg-Crimson map pack was free yesterday and the XbL support team said "It's on us?" Well you can kiss that little gift goodbye. Without even acknowledging they messed up, all of those free maps now lock out on the 18th.

DYNAMIC SPAWNS ON SYMMETRICAL MAPS. This has always bothered me. If you're going to make a RED and BLUE base, you could at least make RED guys spawn at RED base.

-THE GAME TREATS YOU LIKE A FIVE YEAR OLD. Gee, thanks Jeff. I needed to know that we were close to winning the game, and that I assassinated someone, and that my team has the flag and that my team has dropped the flag and that my team's flag has been stolen. It. Is. Annoying. You have no right to complain about flag juggling in Halo 3 when this atrocity exists. He never. Shuts. Up.

  • 12.12.2012 10:16 PM PDT

Major props to my hommie Sheeef. He made Recon possible for me. Long time recovering emails and passwords. And it was his. lol.

343i sucks big time.

  • 12.12.2012 10:18 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?

And before you braindead casuals go "DURR BUT U MLG AND MLG IS GHEY" I would suggest you get over yourselves. I'll respect your opinion when you stop spewing nonsense every time I try to prove a point.

  • 12.12.2012 10:21 PM PDT
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"I know not what weapons World War III will be fought with, but I do know that World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

-Albert Einstein


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Posted by: Lord Gwyn
Lol at the Reach forum tards in this thread.

"Leave Black Eagle alone, he isn't retarded or trolling and you shouldn't be name calling!"


lel

  • 12.12.2012 10:22 PM PDT

Why are you here?

Although I find Halo 4 matchmaking to be fun, I'm constantly playing other games over it like Sleeping Dogs and Dead Space 2.

  • 12.12.2012 10:24 PM PDT

"It sucking -blam!-s, it -blam!- sucks, it -blam!- blows, it's a piece of -blam!-... and I don't like it."
-AVGN
My reaction to most things on the internet (points for guessing the reference)
Best.Post.Ever.
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Posted by: Gh0st is Bad
Absolutely this. This game is the literal definition of pandering, and what baffles me more is the fact that the only people defending it do nothing but spit ad hominem and insult everybody's intelligence.

Here's a fact: Halo 4 is a poorly designed game littered with truthfully bad design everywhere and poor community management.

  • 12.12.2012 10:59 PM PDT

Its not that bad

  • 12.12.2012 11:00 PM PDT

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great thread i support it 100% sadly :(
yorkie

  • 12.12.2012 11:14 PM PDT

We mouth the vilest sacrament
And adhere to these tacit skirmishes
All for one day ideal and saffron-drenched
We ate each other's hearts out of serving dishes

I played Halo 4 for about a week and I don't plan on touching it again for a long while.

  • 12.12.2012 11:40 PM PDT
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3rd edition. Now with more grunt.

TFS 4 lyfe


Posted by: AMW Godfather


Well laugh all you want, the only point I was really trying to make was how sad it is that many people spend a good portion of their online time to type out college essays on why they hate a VIDEOGAME. Halo2, Halo3, HaloReach, Halo4, it doesn't matter, it is all the same in a neverending wheel of whining.

We get it, you hate the game, GREAT! Move on with you lives and start a new game or hobby.

I see the various problems with Halo4, I am just not petty or pathetic enough to constantly whine about it. Then again, I am an adult.

I am thankful for the escape it gives me and my friends when we want to get away for a bit, laugh a bit, kill a bit. Sorry you expected so much more.


To all the posters above, this sums up my feelings perfectly.


It's a video game, get over yourselves.

  • 12.13.2012 1:28 AM PDT
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So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.

-Gandalf

Try making a video game with all the deadlines and issues you end up being faced with, followed by your publisher rushing your ass so the game can be sold and bought by everyone who wants it. Then come back here and tell me if the game is still like a TV.

That was a crappy analogy dude. Halo 4 was Microsoft's most expensive project and 343 whether they succeeded or not did work there butt off making this game for us consumers to buy and play their product. You don't like the game? Okay, just say you don't like it and it sucks. Don't even buy the game and never play it. We don't need all this extra bull-blam!-.

  • 12.13.2012 2:08 AM PDT

Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

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Posted by: x Foman123 x
Speaking of chuckles, let's all lol at IonicPaul, who makes friends with bugs to make up for his lack of human contact.

Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3

What you think you posted: "Look at me. I'm above you all. Silly children!"

What you actually posted: "Look at me. I think criticism and contributing to a general opinion of something is a bad thing!"

  • 12.13.2012 2:10 AM PDT
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3rd edition. Now with more grunt.

TFS 4 lyfe


Posted by: IonicPaul
Posted by: Rabid Grunt 3

What you think you posted: "Look at me. I'm above you all. Silly children!"

What you actually posted: "Look at me. I think criticism and contributing to a general opinion of something is a bad thing!"


What you think you posted: "Look at me. By pretending I know what he thinks, and doing a comical comparison post, I am in fact looking intellectual and witty at the same time. Man i'm cool. Bet this will stump him!"

What you actually posted: "Derp"

  • 12.13.2012 2:13 AM PDT

"I don't mean to sound bitter, cold or cruel, but I am, so that's how it comes out"
- Bill Hicks

Is it just me or did the OP not actually give any ways in which Halo 4 was unfinished?

The imaginary TV, which featured heavily in the OP, sounds terrible though...

  • 12.13.2012 2:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: theHurtfulTurkey
A real test of a man is if he is willing to scrape a sharpened razor up and down his junk just to please a woman.

Halo 4 is totally unfinished. It lags, Dominion and Extraction have bugs related to the holding down the action button mechanic, people can spawn with game breaking combos; the list goes on and on. I still am playing it, but this game lags more than any Halo game and it's purely because Microsoft is being -blam!- cheap. It's absolutely pathetic that the quality of online matches goes down over the years, for a service WE PAY $60 A YEAR FOR. This is Microsoft's only first party exclusive that's worth a damn, and they let it have servers that are on par with CoD 4's. How does that even work?

Microsoft made Halo 4 a cash grab by releasing it so early. They released it a week before a certain other multi billion dollar franchise released its game, and they did it in a buggy state, making it incredibly obvious that the game needed more time for development. Furthermore, the entire specialization distribution of emails is a joke. Firstly, it shouldn't have even been done by emails that get lost all the time in mass distribution. The specializations should have jus been unlocked for EVERYBODY after the 20th, or whatever date Alpha Priority, or whatever, was sent out. Players in certain countries, and an entire -blam!- continent, are excluded from game changing exclusives until... Well, we don't know. Even Americans and other people who were eligible didn't receive their emails. I know for a fact that Microsoft's automated snail mail systems are slow since my MS Points grinded from Bing Rewards always come in email from a day to a week later. Lately, it's been the latter. A system that sends out millions of emails at once to only certain people on a stupid set of perameters was bound to screw up.

I bet twenty dollars that Microsoft will screw something else up when the "free trial" for the Crimson Maps end. What's rich is that people might have actually thought Microsoft was giving the maps away for a bit as a display of humility if they hadn't come out a day later and lied that they did it on purpose in the most obvious way possible. They could have even admitted they screwed up and that it was their mistake, so they'd be nice to the customers. But no, they try and act like the Crimson Map incident was planned and that fhey were saviors of the gaming world. Imagine "Hey, kids!!! Our console shooter gives away some of our map packs!!! You don't want to have to pay $15 for three maps, do you?" as a sale point for Halo 4 over BO2. Just imagine that for a moment. This entire DLC and distribution mess was caused by poor planning for Halo ;, and all of it could have been prevented of Microsoft had given more development time.

What a -blam!-iiiing joke.

[Edited on 12.13.2012 2:45 AM PST]

  • 12.13.2012 2:42 AM PDT


Posted by: flamedude
Posted by: Kneecap
I just wish that they would have actually added anything to the Covenant sandbox. All they did was take away, literally nothing was added as far as I am aware of.


I dunno man..... they replaced the Scarab with the Lich. That's got to be good isn't it? Replace the awesome giant all-crushing robot monster with a flying lump of trash, that's going to be amazing isn't it?

And replace the classic iconic Plasma Rifle with a Carbine concept reject and call that an improvement. Because why not?

I agree though. 343i added nothing whatsoever to the Covenant sandbox. And yet they are still the best part of Halo 4, Prometheans are just crushingly boring to fight. Spartan Ops only gets exciting when the Covies get in there (with their fuel rod Elites no doubt).

I still can't get over how many obvious mistakes there are in Halo 4. Really obvious things, that if 343 asked you about 6 months ago you would be able to help with. Don't forget that with H4 the storyline makes little to no sense continuing from H3.

-Should the Chief be wearing the same design of armor in H4? Bear in mind that we're probably going to replace his armor in H5.
-Should we redesign the Dawn? You never ever see it in-game but we are thinking of redesigning it.
-Should we keep the Falcon or bring back the Hornet? We were thinking about removing it
-Should we replace the Plasma Rifle with a new design? Best way I can describe the new one..... a purple loaf of bread with a spout.
-We are thinking of removing Assault and CTF. We will replace CTF with a 'new' version with 'new' rules that 'promote fun'. Thoughts on this?
-We've got a new menu design that doesn't utilize the on-screen space very well, and is clumsy. We know the Reach UI was amazing and easy to use, but we thought we'd change it. How do you feel about that?
-For multiplayer we thought we wouldn't add Mk V, ODST, CQB or even Noble Six' helmet. Noone likes those helmets right?
-Also instant respawn and JIP, the idea is good so we're just going to throw it in there.
-And to top it off we thought we wouldn't have a public beta, because if we did we'd find out all sorts of things that we would have to fix. And thats bad isn't it?

These things are so obvious to me, I have no idea how they slipped passed their quality control. And this is just a small list.

/end generic Halo 4 rant


^Post that on the Waypoint Forum.

  • 12.13.2012 2:50 AM PDT


Posted by: Gh0st is Bad
Credentials for my multiplayer argument/rant

HT Top 50 Team Objective win/loss (Reach)
2 50s in Halo 3
2.5 k/d (Reach)

Right. Now that those tidbits are out of the way, let me get on with my list of complaints.

-FILE BROWSER STILL DOES NOT WORK. It has been about a month. I might understand week 1 problems, week 2 might be pushing it, but come on 343. Week 3 and you still can't use the file browser to find gametypes outside of searching the creator's GT. And no, it doesn't exactly count as "working" when 80% of the feature is nonfunctional.

-CTF HAS BEEN DUMBED DOWN. No, you can't debate this. You don't go from having two ways to run a flag to having one and call it "smarter playing." Remind me exactly how having an undroppable flag and a giant waypoint over your head makes running flags "smarter?"

-CUSTOM GAME OPTIONS DON'T WORK. At the moment, the only way to disable sprint and Instant Spawn is through modded gametypes.

-MAPS SUDDENLY TURN INTO A FREE TRIAL. Remember when the Egg-Crimson map pack was free yesterday and the XbL support team said "It's on us?" Well you can kiss that little gift goodbye. Without even acknowledging they messed up, all of those free maps now lock out on the 18th.

DYNAMIC SPAWNS ON SYMMETRICAL MAPS. This has always bothered me. If you're going to make a RED and BLUE base, you could at least make RED guys spawn at RED base.

-THE GAME TREATS YOU LIKE A FIVE YEAR OLD. Gee, thanks Jeff. I needed to know that we were close to winning the game, and that I assassinated someone, and that my team has the flag and that my team has dropped the flag and that my team's flag has been stolen. It. Is. Annoying. You have no right to complain about flag juggling in Halo 3 when this atrocity exists. He never. Shuts. Up.
Can I expand on that?

- THERE IS NO RANKED PLAYLIST. The basic feature for competitive play is missing. No 0-50, not even an Arena. All you can do right now is to mess around in some all-social playlists. In my opinion also a clear sign in what direction 343 is heading.

- TERRIBLE CONNECTION. It has never been worse. I don't know what we are even paying Xbox Live for when the Microsoft servers appear to be that bad. On some days it took me 10 minutes to find a damn game, it lags like hell in many matches, and you can't finish a match without seeing the "Match is starting" screen for a minute or two.
Spartan Ops is even unplayable online. Should you not have the luck of being the host you don't even have to bother playing with those damn delays.

  • 12.13.2012 3:48 AM PDT

☆☆☆Does anyone even read this?☆☆☆

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Posted by: snip3r dud33
Honestly, this is a good cover up for all the idiots who won't know its a cover up .


Posted by: Black Eagle X99
I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans.


Actually, CEA was their first game. And somehow, they managed to mess that up. Anyone encounter they eyeball-less Marine/eyelidless Keyes glitches? And how about how they failed to sync the modern with the classic geometry (shots getting blocked by solid air in Truth)

  • 12.13.2012 4:26 PM PDT