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Subject: Should Pregnant Women who drink/do drugs go to jail for child abuse?

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: CultMiester4000
if you can determine exactly how much drinking / taking drugs it takes to severely affect the child then fine make it illegal past that point, but until then i see no way of pushing this through without infringing the woman's rights.

It seems ludicrous to me that we need to intentionally destroy dozens if not hundreds of lives to find the line of exactly how much drug use will turn your baby into a retard.

And if we can't, then we have to let the people who are destroying the lives of the children they are carrying, continue to destroy them.
so you'd rather have them be brought up in prison instead?

  • 12.12.2012 4:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Because the entire premise behind the legalization of abortion is that people are not killing children. If you are going to punish a pregnant mother for child abuse based on damage done to a fetus, you are questioning that earlier determination.

They are differences.

The biggest one being that in this case, the fetus does become a child.

What the fetus becomes is irrelevant, while they are a fetus they have been classified as not being children to a point, which is why abortion is legal. If, all of the sudden, we're legally recognizing a fetus as a child that will change how abortions are regarded.

  • 12.12.2012 4:32 PM PDT
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Posted by: ODSTworrior94
I wouldn't count it as child abuse, but yes it should be illegal.

  • 12.12.2012 4:33 PM PDT

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Posted by: culexus
It should be illegal to Smoke/Drink Alcohol when Pregnant.

It is the same as forcing a child to smoke or drink - Child Abuse/Gross Negligence.


A coworker i knew was pregnant and she still smoked but another coworker said that its worse on the mother body and well being and in turn the baby's then smoking.

  • 12.12.2012 4:35 PM PDT

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Many states and countries already have statutes in place. While not many of them consider it child abuse it's still illegal. Pregnant mothers need to understand that they are in a unique position in that they are caring for another life through their own and as a result should yield some of their freedoms.

I'm sorry but if you plan on keeping the child then that's how it should be. I understand the freedom argument but at that point you are responsible for another life.

  • 12.12.2012 4:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: CultMiester4000
if you can determine exactly how much drinking / taking drugs it takes to severely affect the child then fine make it illegal past that point, but until then i see no way of pushing this through without infringing the woman's rights.

It seems ludicrous to me that we need to intentionally destroy dozens if not hundreds of lives to find the line of exactly how much drug use will turn your baby into a retard.

And if we can't, then we have to let the people who are destroying the lives of the children they are carrying, continue to destroy them.

  • 12.12.2012 4:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
If, all of the sudden, we're legally recognizing a fetus as a child that will change how abortions are regarded.

We're not? Or at least I'm not.

I'm looking at the situation and seeing a mentally damaged child with a clear and direct cause linked to the mother drinking. If I could draw an analogy it would be akin to arresting a man for drunk driving as he's attempting to get into his car while staggering drunk.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 4:42 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 4:40 PM PDT

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if you make it illegal, you haven't gotten rid of the problem.
people will still drink and do drugs while pregnant.
and what happens when you catch someone drinking who is pregnant? you throw her in jail? like that's gonna help the situation. the child will still be born so all you've done is make sure the mother has a terrible pregnancy and has a child whilst in prison who may or may not be physically handicapped.

Hooray for justice!

  • 12.12.2012 4:41 PM PDT


Posted by: SweetTRIX

Posted by: Methew

Posted by: SweetTRIX
If they did, than abortion would come back under scrutiny as that consideration would require a fetus to be considered a child.

I don't see how.

If they plan on having the kid, they are doing irreparable harm to the child.

Because the entire premise behind the legalization of abortion is that people are not killing children. If you are going to punish a pregnant mother for child abuse based on damage done to a fetus, you are questioning that earlier determination.

  • 12.12.2012 4:42 PM PDT

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Absolutely not, according to our current laws which dictate that fetuses aren't people. If you can abort a fetus, then drinking and smoking should be fine.

  • 12.12.2012 4:43 PM PDT

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That is a difficult topic. I do agree that people should smarten up during pregnancy and do the best for the child. But I can't decide on a punishment for those individuals.

  • 12.12.2012 4:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: WhitestKidUKnow
Posted by: Methew

Posted by: SweetTRIX
If they did, than abortion would come back under scrutiny as that consideration would require a fetus to be considered a child.

I don't see how.

If they plan on having the kid, they are doing irreparable harm to the child.
Well, seeing as how one of the primary arguments for abortion is "it is my body, I can do what I want with it," making it illegal to not do drugs/drink while pregnant but allow for them to abort their child is completely hypocritical.


Abortion: Giving people the option to get rid of a pregnancy that the parents do not want

drinking/doing drugs while pregnant: damaging the child of a pregnancy that the parents want

I don't see how outlawing one contradicts the other.

  • 12.12.2012 4:45 PM PDT

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Depends on the severity and what made them that way. The majority of the time, i'd send them to rehab

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Posted by: WhitestKidUKnow
Posted by: Methew

Posted by: SweetTRIX
If they did, than abortion would come back under scrutiny as that consideration would require a fetus to be considered a child.

I don't see how.

If they plan on having the kid, they are doing irreparable harm to the child.
Well, seeing as how one of the primary arguments for abortion is "it is my body, I can do what I want with it," making it illegal to not do drugs/drink while pregnant but allow for them to abort their child is completely hypocritical.


Abortion: Giving people the option to get rid of a pregnancy that the parents do not want

drinking/doing drugs while pregnant: damaging the child of a pregnancy that the parents want

I don't see how outlawing one contradicts the other.
Obviously, they aren't that concerned about their future child if they're willing to do drugs while pregnant. The hypocrisy is in that one statement I said already. The whole reason why abortion is allowed is because it is believed that the woman's anatomy takes priority to the fetus's life. By saying they should not be allowed to do drugs or drink but they can have an abortion, you are being a hypocrite.

  • 12.12.2012 4:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: SweetTRIX
If, all of the sudden, we're legally recognizing a fetus as a child that will change how abortions are regarded.

We're not? Or at least I'm not.

I'm not discussing a point of view, i'm explaining that if this were to happen it would completely upset the current set of abortion laws due to the fact legally fetus' are not regarded as children.

I'm looking at the situation and seeing a mentally damaged child with a clear and direct cause linked to the mother drinking. Punishing her now saves not only nine months but a life at the same time.
No arguement here, I completely believe that mothers are responsible for their unborn children.

  • 12.12.2012 4:51 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
I'm not discussing a point of view, i'm explaining that if this were to happen it would completely upset the current set of abortion laws due to the fact legally fetus' are not regarded as children.

Again: I don't see how.

It's not a matter of recognizing the fetus as a person but recognizing the rights of the future human being, one that is going to exist because the mother wants the baby, that is going to be damaged by the current actions.

If we have to, we can just start jailing mothers that have retarded babies due to their drinking while pregnant. I'm just looking at the collateral here.

[Edited on 12.12.2012 4:58 PM PST]

  • 12.12.2012 4:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: DarkJet7

Posted by: WhitestKidUKnow
Posted by: Methew

Posted by: SweetTRIX
If they did, than abortion would come back under scrutiny as that consideration would require a fetus to be considered a child.

I don't see how.

If they plan on having the kid, they are doing irreparable harm to the child.
Well, seeing as how one of the primary arguments for abortion is "it is my body, I can do what I want with it," making it illegal to not do drugs/drink while pregnant but allow for them to abort their child is completely hypocritical.


Abortion: Giving people the option to get rid of a pregnancy that the parents do not want

drinking/doing drugs while pregnant: damaging the child of a pregnancy that the parents want

I don't see how outlawing one contradicts the other.

Because both instances happen to a fetus, which is not legally considered human. Not as big a leap in logic as you think.

  • 12.12.2012 4:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: SweetTRIX
I'm not discussing a point of view, i'm explaining that if this were to happen it would completely upset the current set of abortion laws due to the fact legally fetus' are not regarded as children.

Again: I don't see how.

It's not a matter of recognizing the fetus as a person but recognizing the rights of the future human being, one that is going to exist because the mother wants the baby, that is going to be damaged by the current actions.

Doesn't work that way in court. You can't base a punishment off of speculation.

  • 12.12.2012 4:59 PM PDT
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Posted by: SweetTRIX
Doesn't work that way in court. You can't base a punishment off of speculation.

So legally, we have to watch a person destroy another person before we can do anything?

  • 12.12.2012 5:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888
Absolutely.

  • 12.12.2012 5:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Doesn't work that way in court. You can't base a punishment off of speculation.

So legally, we have to watch a person destroy another person before we can do anything?
as opposed to actively helping them destroy the person by ending them to jail, yes.

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Put her in rehab.

  • 12.12.2012 5:07 PM PDT

Idk should women who get abortions go to jail for murder?

My opinion, yes

  • 12.12.2012 5:14 PM PDT
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Posted by: CultMiester4000
as opposed to actively helping them destroy the person by ending them to jail, yes.

People who want to be druggies will be druggies for as long as they want to be druggies. Nothing we can do to "help" them will actually help until they want to change.

  • 12.12.2012 5:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Methew
Posted by: SweetTRIX
Doesn't work that way in court. You can't base a punishment off of speculation.

So legally, we have to watch a person destroy another person before we can do anything?

Legally, a fetus isn't considered a person, that is the issue.

  • 12.12.2012 5:16 PM PDT