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Subject: Important pole...please vote.
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TheRealOneEye...Warlock is one of the easiest maps to spawn -blam!- people on when your team has control of the br's. Its very unbalanced with smg start.

The Cheese eater...I usually only capitalize kid when I'm responding to a moron.

p.s. I only flame people if they flame me first. And WHEN I say kid it usually refers to to thier maturity, not thier age.

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  • 07.04.2006 9:03 PM PDT
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dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part

  • 07.04.2006 9:08 PM PDT
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Important poll my ass!

  • 07.04.2006 9:09 PM PDT
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erm... i want an AR type... they're better for killing flood than anything... barring the shotty of course...

  • 07.04.2006 9:09 PM PDT
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That's not the point. The point is balance. If my team loses control of the br's to the other team, my team should have a chace to come back and win. That's not really possible because you'll be to busy being spawn raped.

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  • 07.04.2006 9:12 PM PDT
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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part


Thanks dude.

  • 07.04.2006 9:14 PM PDT
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Delta, this is an improtant poll because it might show bungie that the people who play thier game want balance and not....H2.
Deathomen, AR type falls under the selection of SMG type.

  • 07.04.2006 9:17 PM PDT
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it is balanced that everyone starts with an smg on warlock and the BR's are distributed perfectly symmetrically on the map

look, once the game commences, and people use their skills to get advantages, AKA better guns, the balance thing stops

it would be absoloutly no fun if you fought for a better gun, just to get raped by some guy that spawns near you

  • 07.04.2006 9:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part



so... if you and a friend join a team slayer game and your other 2 teammates are complete morons, it's your fault? all the teamwork in the world can't save some of the idiots that are out there.

anyways, i don't care which weapons i start with. it all depends on the map and the people you're playing against.


  • 07.04.2006 9:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part



so... if you and a friend join a team slayer game and your other 2 teammates are complete morons, it's your fault? all the teamwork in the world can't save some of the idiots that are out there.

anyways, i don't care which weapons i start with. it all depends on the map and the people you're playing against.




it's absoloutly your fault if you decide to go in there with only 2 guys

i agree that it depends on the map, too

  • 07.04.2006 9:23 PM PDT
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No, it's not balanced when everyone starts with an smg on warlock and the BR's are distributed perfectly symmetrically on the map. Once the battle for the br's is over and one team controls them, the other team is ****ed. And if your team is smart there going to set up so that they pretty much control the other teams spawns. If someone spawns next to you your going to communicate with your team and team br him.

  • 07.04.2006 9:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part



So if your team spawns in bases, and they spawn bottom mid and under the platforms, than your team is obviously better, right?

  • 07.04.2006 9:26 PM PDT
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i need some sort of a battle rifle in my hand 2 feel more like iam on top of things like you can pretty much take down any enemy with a battle rifle and you have that certain distances

  • 07.04.2006 9:27 PM PDT
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mr grunt, thank you. I should have mentioned that.

  • 07.04.2006 9:28 PM PDT
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PEOPLE spawning isn't the issue on this thread, it's the weapon

look, if everyone spawns with a "good" weapon, only a few other weapons would even be considered to be picked up, like the dual weild weapons

people need to start with something relatively weak, near the bottom of the "chain" so they have better things to get, like a plasma rifle to dual-weild with for example

and i agree, people spawning in different places can un-balance the game, but that isn't what we're talking about

  • 07.04.2006 9:30 PM PDT
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Spawning isn't what we're directly talking about but it's within the issue. And people should not start with something relativiely weak. They should start with a weapon that's balanced and can help you out of a bad situation such the Warlock example. With an smg you can't do **** to save yourself when playing a smart team.

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  • 07.04.2006 9:35 PM PDT
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It's dependent on certain things inside of the game, like the map and the other weapons already on the map. Like in Warlock, there isn't a sword, there aren't rockets. Just about the only 'power' weapon is the shotgun or BR.

So SMG start isn't bad at all on a map like Warlock.

  • 07.04.2006 9:40 PM PDT
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Posted by: GeM3ye
Spawning isn't what we're directly talking about but it's within the issue. And people should not start with something relativiely weak. They should start with a weapon that's balanced and can help you out of a bad situation such the Warlock example.


ok, then you should have named this thread "balance in MP" or something

anyways, bungie wants us to use all of the weapons in the game at some time or another. how many times would you go grab that plasma rifle or smg if you spawned with a BR on every game?

also, warlock is probably the only, or close to only, weapon that total domination like that can occur on...sure, people on other maps can camp somewhere, but that leaves weapons lying around in other places

  • 07.04.2006 9:43 PM PDT
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dd

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TheRealOneEye, please don't say that smg start on Warlock isn't bad, I'v already stated why it is.
Butler, bungie does want every weapon to be used (not sure about the needler though) but spawning with a smg isn't going to make me want to go find a plasma rifle and duel-wield it. Duel-wielding is for killing people at at close range. If the other team controls the br's they are going to team br you and you won't even get a chance to kill them duel-wielding becuase they won't be stupid enough to try to kill you at close range..

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  • 07.04.2006 10:03 PM PDT
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the weapon depends on the map, man, so you can stop using your warlock example now, because there is a CLEAR problem with that map that almost everyone agrees on

just because i dont agree with you doesn't mean you have to start some debate and be a whiner about it every time i contradict anything in your posts

i'll say it again, it depends on the map. example? coagulation: BR start, for obvious reasons

beaver creek? either could work IMO

warlock isn't the only level in H2 ok? i hope you know that now

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  • 07.04.2006 10:03 PM PDT
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I voted BR because I feel that a weapon that can be used a close, mid, and long ranges makes the game more balanced so that spawns near power weapons dont mean as much.

  • 07.04.2006 10:05 PM PDT
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KyriOs, an assault riffle type weapon is the same as a smg type weapon. And I wouldn't mind the secondary weapon being a br type weapon as long as I spawn with one. Ok, so I'm done posting for tonight so don't expect me to.

  • 07.04.2006 10:09 PM PDT
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okay

  • 07.04.2006 10:15 PM PDT

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