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Subject: Important pole...please vote.
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BTW if you love BR's so much just play MLG gametypes and leave people to what they like to do

  • 07.04.2006 10:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
but other problems would arise from that, like people stating that it's useless to go for other weapons

Maybe if every weapon was balanced pretty well with the other weapons, then there would be a unique use for every weapon, like in Halo 1.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
for example, tell me why you would go for a plasma rifle if you started with a br?? you NEVER would, because you wouldn't have an smg to dual weild with it....unless you spent even more time to find one, which isn't practical

I think that Plasma Rifles are good for taking out the Shields of enemies, so I could use a Plasma Rifle to weaken an opponent before finishing off that enemy with a headshot with a Battle Rifle.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
also, bad players would complain if they spawn to get headshotted over and over again from pretty far away

If players are bad, then they should practice some more to get better. They shouldn't expect to get good at the game very quickly. That's why large learning curves are good. Besides, if they have a good weapon, then at least they'd be able to defend themselves. They wouldn't be able to do much with something like an SMG.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
dude, if your team can "get control" of the BR's, the other team deserves to lose anyways, because of lack of teamwork on their part

They might not have been able to get Battle Rifles if they spawned far away from them. Also, players shouldn't have a huge disadvantage just because they made one or two mistakes.

Posted by: GeM3ye
Deathomen, AR type falls under the selection of SMG type.

I disagree. Although the Assault Rifle from Halo 1 was not as good as the Pistol in Halo 1, it was still quite balanced and it was a good weapon to fall back on.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
it is balanced that everyone starts with an smg on warlock and the BR's are distributed perfectly symmetrically on the map

Players could just make one or two mistakes to lose their Battle Rifles and they could have a permanent disadvantage.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
look, once the game commences, and people use their skills to get advantages, AKA better guns, the balance thing stops

If a player dies at one point in the game, then they wouldn't be able to do much with an SMG until they get another gun.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
it would be absoloutly no fun if you fought for a better gun, just to get raped by some guy that spawns near you

If you have a Battle Rifle, then you won't be at a heavy disadvantage to somebody next to you unless you made a major mistake. Even then, you would get a Battle Rifle back upon respawn.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
it's absoloutly your fault if you decide to go in there with only 2 guys

So I should be at a disadvantage because there aren't many players that can play with me? That just rewards players who are lucky enough to have lots of players on their Friends List at one point in time.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
PEOPLE spawning isn't the issue on this thread, it's the weapon

If you spawn at a bad spot with an SMG, then you'll be at an unfair disadvantage, but if you spawn at a bad spot with a Rifle, then you won't have such a disadvantage.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
look, if everyone spawns with a "good" weapon, only a few other weapons would even be considered to be picked up, like the dual weild weapons

Maybe if every weapon was balanced pretty well with the other weapons, then there would be a unique use for every weapon, like in Halo 1. Anyway, most of the weapons have a unique power that makes them worth picking up in some cases.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
people need to start with something relatively weak, near the bottom of the "chain" so they have better things to get, like a plasma rifle to dual-weild with for example

Players can still get an advantage by finding a new weapon, but the game won't be based around finding a new weapon. It should be based upon skill and balance, not how close to the good weapons you spawn.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
and i agree, people spawning in different places can un-balance the game, but that isn't what we're talking about

The Spawn Weapon determines how heavily Spawn Points affect the game, so it is a valid argument.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
anyways, bungie wants us to use all of the weapons in the game at some time or another. how many times would you go grab that plasma rifle or smg if you spawned with a BR on every game?

If all of the weapons were pretty balanced with each other like they were in Halo 1, then people probably would use every weapon, and people probably do use other weapons in several certain circumstances.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
also, warlock is probably the only, or close to only, weapon that total domination like that can occur on...sure, people on other maps can camp somewhere, but that leaves weapons lying around in other places

Since most strong weapons don't respawn until the person who previously had them drops them or runs out of ammunition for them in Halo 2, it's pretty easy to control many maps in Halo 2.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
the weapon depends on the map, man, so you can stop using your warlock example now, because there is a CLEAR problem with that map that almost everyone agrees on

It's still a problem in several maps because most strong weapons don't respawn until the person who previously had them drops them or runs out of ammunition for them in Halo 2.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
just because i dont agree with you doesn't mean you have to start some debate and be a whiner about it every time i contradict anything in your posts

Nobody's whining.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
beaver creek? either could work IMO

That's probably true since that's probably a close quarters map, but I'd still prefer a Battle Rifle start on that map to counter somebody with the Rocket Launcher and somebody with Overshield.

Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
BTW if you love BR's so much just play MLG gametypes and leave people to what they like to do

MLG gametypes are fine, but I think that Matchmaking is also fun because I like to play with people that I don't really know sometimes.

  • 07.04.2006 11:13 PM PDT
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When I said a SMG type weapon is the same as a AR type weapon I meant that they both spray and aren't good for killing people mid or long range.

  • 07.05.2006 12:36 PM PDT
Subject: Important poll...please vote.
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This was THE important poll? why does it matter?i'll tell you why...NOTHING.

  • 07.05.2006 12:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: TheColdWolf
If Team Swat became ranked, would there still be no shields?


Amazing!

SMG type.

Assault Rifle.

  • 07.05.2006 12:41 PM PDT
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ROYALUAN, can you please try to make yourself look intelligent so I don't have to flame you.

EDIT: Alright I changed the title of the topic so kids can stop complaining.

[Edited on 7/5/2006]

  • 07.05.2006 12:42 PM PDT
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so you're saying your a flamer are you GeM3ye... we already knew that anyway.

For campaign, the starting weapon should always be a pistol... thats why halo 1 rocked.

As for MP, you should be able to customize and as for on xbox 360 live matchmaking, you should always start with two weapons, one being a scoped weapon (halo 1 pistol or br) and the other a spray variety (AR, halo 2 pistol) that fit the level and gametype. In either case, you get one for talking on multiple enemys at one and one for headshots normaly due just fine.

As for this poll... its completely useless.


[Edited on 7/5/2006]

  • 07.05.2006 12:48 PM PDT
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Posted by: Butler_Jeeves
it is balanced that everyone starts with an smg on warlock and the BR's are distributed perfectly symmetrically on the map

look, once the game commences, and people use their skills to get advantages, AKA better guns, the balance thing stops

it would be absoloutly no fun if you fought for a better gun, just to get raped by some guy that spawns near you


No, you're wrong. SMG start games don't allow for comebacks to be made due to the lack of versatility of the SMG. If one team gets control in Halo 2 in SMG start, they hold control for the entire game because the other team doesn't have a chance.

In Halo 1, this is much different. Let me give you an example. My Halo 1 2 vs 2 partner and I played a couple of guys that were, at one time, pro Halo 1 players (Rufio and Kush if you want names, they don't play H2). We used to play with them about every other weekend or so. They are most certainly better than we are. We once played a game against on Prisoner where my team played the beginning smarter and got camo, overshield and rocket and killed them right off the bat. This lead to us getting a 14-0 lead straight from the beginning.

Now, if that had been Halo 2 (SMG start), it would have been over for them. We had the better initial spawn, grabbed the power-ups and rocket launcher, and we were killing them with ease. However, this is Halo 1. They are the more skillful players in accuracy and strategy, and eventually they took us out and regained control of the map. Like I said, they're better than us, and they went on to win the game 50-25.

Things like this can't happen in a SMG start game unless you're playing morons. It is a simple fact that a BR start game more accurately shows who the better team is. That's why all tournament organizations use it, and why Halo 3 should at least have a strong serving of playlists that use it.

  • 07.05.2006 12:51 PM PDT
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I only flame people if they either flame me first or post something stupid. And if you haven't notcied I haven't flamed anybody yet. I think it's funny how you notice my saying I'm going to flame somebody but you don't say anything to the people who have flamed. I don't care if we have a primary and secondary weapon as long as one of them is a br type weapon and the other one fits in (such as a smg). And I don't think this poll is usless because it might actually show Bungie that people want a balanced weapon start.

  • 07.05.2006 1:01 PM PDT

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