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I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.


No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.


-respect and evolution of Halo's thematic principles

-subtle evolutions of Chief's character (especially through his dialogue in the last scene as he tries approaching the conflict at hand normally at first, and then realizes that he has truly lost this time)

-"AI is more human than the humans"

-"Broken character becomes human trying to save the human character from becoming broken"

-several metaphors and allegories (ex. how Chief's body armor, for the first time, is taken off at the end of the game- symbolizing how the level headed, always calm, damn near stubborn Chief has become human)

Wow, this "perversion" seems to be better written than every single effort Bungie has ever made with the series! I guess I really like perversion!
All those minor improvements became irrelivent when God came down and told Chief he was literally the "chosen one." What's that, Cortana? You chose Chief because of luck? NOOOOOOO, you prick!!! You chose him because of Midichlorians!!!


Yes.

LET'S COMPLETELY IGNORE HALO 3'S FINAL TERMINAL WHICH BASICALLY SAID MENDICANT BIAS HAD BEEN GUIDING HIM TO THE EVENTS OF THE RECLAIMER TRILOGY ALL ALONG AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETE RESPECT OF ONE OF HALO'S MAIN THEMES (that humanity, and Chief in particular, has a far greater role in the grand scheme of things).


Stop shouting.

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HaloRoach just made several extremely valid points, but I love how you just disregarded all of it.

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The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line

How so?


The second I saw something new and exciting.


I fixed that for you.

  • 12.13.2012 5:42 PM PDT
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HaloRoach just made several extremely valid points, but I love how you just disregarded all of it.


I get a feeling that it'll look like I'm backing off, but I have to leave now. Believe me, I'd debate my point hard if I could.

  • 12.13.2012 5:42 PM PDT

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The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line

How so?


The second a forerunner came out of a giant egg and started force choking the chief.


lol,

If the Didact dies, which one was Killed. The Didact or the Born Stella Didact.

Always 2 there are.

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Posted by: Bornstellarr
I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.


No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.


-respect and evolution of Halo's thematic principles

-subtle evolutions of Chief's character (especially through his dialogue in the last scene as he tries approaching the conflict at hand normally at first, and then realizes that he has truly lost this time)

-"AI is more human than the humans"

-"Broken character becomes human trying to save the human character from becoming broken"

-several metaphors and allegories (ex. how Chief's body armor, for the first time, is taken off at the end of the game- symbolizing how the level headed, always calm, damn near stubborn Chief has become human)

Wow, this "perversion" seems to be better written than every single effort Bungie has ever made with the series! I guess I really like perversion!
All those minor improvements became irrelivent when God came down and told Chief he was literally the "chosen one." What's that, Cortana? You chose Chief because of luck? NOOOOOOO, you prick!!! You chose him because of Midichlorians!!!


Yes.

LET'S COMPLETELY IGNORE HALO 3'S FINAL TERMINAL WHICH BASICALLY SAID MENDICANT BIAS HAD BEEN GUIDING HIM TO THE EVENTS OF THE RECLAIMER TRILOGY ALL ALONG AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETE RESPECT OF ONE OF HALO'S MAIN THEMES (that humanity, and Chief in particular, has a far greater role in the grand scheme of things).
Uh, that doesn't mean the whole destiny thing is, well, -blam!- retarded, although that leads to another problem with this. Why are humans the chosen ones? No, I don't care that humans are descendents of Forerunners. Humans being the destined race is just hokey as hell, incredibly black and white since it means the other races suck in comparison, unimagintive and very cliché. What's with all this fate crap in the Halo games? Why are there absolutely no evil humans in the Halo games? Are the Covenent the big, scary, foreign aliens we still need to defend ourselves against even though we're at, uh, peace?

Did we not resolve this -blam!- through three games worth of content? The whole Prophet coverup angle for genocide of humans was brilliant because it was a despicable and pathetic reason to keep their power, and the discovery of a kinda cool revelation (that humans were from forerunners, not the chosen ones bit) would have just bunked their religion ... But that's over. That's resolved. The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again. Covies are just evil again, and we don't know why. There's no reason for the Covies to attack Chief again unless they still believe in what the Prophets said, but that's NEVER brought up.

Anyway, getting off that tangential rant, force choking in Halo is stupid because it's just thrown in there, and saying that Chief, a character who had absolutely no personality in the first 3 games, is the chosen one instead of a character who got lucky as hell is just dumb. Just because Meded, um... You know, I didn't read the Halo 3 terminals, and I'm kind of glad I did just because I would've have been disappointed so early. What sounds better, though? Barely surviving by the skin of your teeth, or knowing your character is just going to get through it because God, who is essentially what the Librarian is (no, I'm not -blam!- familiar with what she EXACTLY is and I don't care since I don't want to wrap my head around this -blam!- any longer. She is essentially a divine figure) guided you along a path?

it was the librarian, preserver of the mantle's creatures, not "God" as you called it, it makes sense if you actually think about it. The librarian was fearful of another outbreak/ didact trying to claim vengance on the humans so she created a "hero gene" in the humans to make sure if that's the case, the future holder of the mantle don't go out the same way.Hero gene... In humans...

Ladies and mentlegen! I want to announce that I'm going to be hosting the world's first annual Corniness Awards ceremony in my back yard!! Up for nomenees is every bland, straight, white, male muscle bound protagonist ever in video games and Halo 4's story! We'll have punch, nachos, and little hard boiled eggs coated like Diaduct's pod, which also looks like Darth Vader's little round private chambers, funnily enough!

And yes, she is Halo's version of God.

[Edited on 12.13.2012 6:15 PM PST]

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Posted by: bobcast
The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line

How so?


The second a forerunner came out of a giant egg and started force choking the chief.


Even though I disagree with you completely, the egg part made me lol

  • 12.13.2012 6:08 PM PDT

I intend to live forever, or die trying,

so far, so good.

The Halo story Arc is a mixed between starwars and stargate.

Many things are simular.

  • 12.13.2012 6:15 PM PDT

The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again

Play Spartan Ops. Halo 4's main campaign isn't about the Covvies, it is about MC, Cortana, and Didact.

Also, I feel like an explanation for how Master Chief has beaten impossible odds way, way, way, WAY too many times is appropriate. Hundreds of his Spartan comrades died on Reach in far less amazing circumstances - shot in the head, stabbed through the chest, yet somehow this guy, who admits that he isn't the best of them, has survived that far? Nothing has enabled him to get that far? Frankly, I feel like divine intervention is bull, but he shouldn't have been able to get that far without some sort of explanation in the first place. I place the blame on Bungie for forcing such cheesiness.


[Edited on 12.13.2012 6:21 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2012 6:17 PM PDT

The trilogy ended when Bungie said no more Halo. This new 'trilogy' is just a ploy for more money.

  • 12.13.2012 6:18 PM PDT

I hate how they are WAY over explaining the forerunners. Kills the mystery that they once had.

  • 12.13.2012 6:19 PM PDT


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Posted by: Bornstellarr
I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.[/quote]

No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.[/quote]

-respect and evolution of Halo's thematic principles

-subtle evolutions of Chief's character (especially through his dialogue in the last scene as he tries approaching the conflict at hand normally at first, and then realizes that he has truly lost this time)

-"AI is more human than the humans"

-"Broken character becomes human trying to save the human character from becoming broken"

-several metaphors and allegories (ex. how Chief's body armor, for the first time, is taken off at the end of the game- symbolizing how the level headed, always calm, damn near stubborn Chief has become human)

Wow, this "perversion" seems to be better written than every single effort Bungie has ever made with the series! I guess I really like perversion!
All those minor improvements became irrelivent when God came down and told Chief he was literally the "chosen one." What's that, Cortana? You chose Chief because of luck? NOOOOOOO, you prick!!! You chose him because of Midichlorians!!!


Yes.

LET'S COMPLETELY IGNORE HALO 3'S FINAL TERMINAL WHICH BASICALLY SAID MENDICANT BIAS HAD BEEN GUIDING HIM TO THE EVENTS OF THE RECLAIMER TRILOGY ALL ALONG AND INSTEAD FOCUS ON SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETE RESPECT OF ONE OF HALO'S MAIN THEMES (that humanity, and Chief in particular, has a far greater role in the grand scheme of things).
Uh, that doesn't mean the whole destiny thing is, well, -blam!- retarded, although that leads to another problem with this. Why are humans the chosen ones? No, I don't care that humans are descendents of Forerunners. Humans being the destined race is just hokey as hell, incredibly black and white since it means the other races suck in comparison, unimagintive and very cliché. What's with all this fate crap in the Halo games? Why are there absolutely no evil humans in the Halo games? Are the Covenent the big, scary, foreign aliens we still need to defend ourselves against even though we're at, uh, peace?

Did we not resolve this -blam!- through three games worth of content? The whole Prophet coverup angle for genocide of humans was brilliant because it was a despicable and pathetic reason to keep their power, and the discovery of a kinda cool revelation (that humans were from forerunners, not the chosen ones bit) would have just bunked their religion ... But that's over. That's resolved. The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again. Covies are just evil again, and we don't know why. There's no reason for the Covies to attack Chief again unless they still believe in what the Prophets said, but that's NEVER brought up.

Anyway, getting off that tangential rant, force choking in Halo is stupid because it's just thrown in there, and saying that Chief, a character who had absolutely no personality in the first 3 games, is the chosen one instead of a character who got lucky as hell is just dumb. Just because Meded, um... You know, I didn't read the Halo 3 terminals, and I'm kind of glad I did just because I would've have been disappointed so early. What sounds better, though? Barely surviving by the skin of your teeth, or knowing your character is just going to get through it because God, who is essentially what the Librarian is (no, I'm not -blam!- familiar with what she EXACTLY is and I don't care since I don't want to wrap my head around this -blam!- any longer. She is essentially a divine figure) guided you along a path?


1)The humans are being tested as the chosen ones, there is no destiny but our test. As Librarian says, she is preparing us, because we have potential, she doesn't say we're Jesus.

But we're being tested because we were willing to sacrifice everything we had to stop the Flood, a personal sacrifice, where we admited defeat, making us better inheritors of the Mantle than the Forerunners, who stubbornly fought against the inevitable until the end. The truly wise understand hubris. We are currently being tested to see if we have maintained hubris, amongst other traits.

And there are evil humans, ala the Kilo-Five Trilogy, and there are good aliens, ala Librarian and the Covenant seperatists. Halo isn't black and white, you're just imagining it is.

2) Fanatical, uniquely zealous Covenant now being referred to as terrorists and rogues, juxtaposed against the asylum seeking "good" Covenant mentioned in S:OPs. You mean to tell me you can't do the math?

3) Didact uses a gravitational restraint field that he compressed to give John uber-Bends. It is well within Forerunner technology to do so.

And he hasn't survived because he's the chosen one. Medicant Bias NEVER says he's been protecting and guiding you, he merely says that he will help in the battles ahead, to do everything he can to help you.

But I somehow fail to understand how surviving by luck (aka: canonical plot armor) is superior to surviving because of a divine purpose. At least one has an explanation, even though it isn't accurate.

[Edited on 12.13.2012 6:21 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2012 6:20 PM PDT


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The trilogy ended when Bungie said no more Halo. This new 'trilogy' is just a ploy for more money.


>Implying 99% of games aren't made just for the money.

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The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again

Play Spartan Ops. Halo 4's main campaign isn't about the Covvies, it is about MC, Cortana, and Didact.

I seriously can't get into Spartan Ops. There's no real chance of failure, the missions are ridiculously similar and I just can't do it. It's like Reach's Firefight instead of the lives based system of ODST. I just can't get into it, but I'll eventually read about or watch the cutscenes.

  • 12.13.2012 6:23 PM PDT


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Posted by: Scottus4
The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again

Play Spartan Ops. Halo 4's main campaign isn't about the Covvies, it is about MC, Cortana, and Didact.

I seriously can't get into Spartan Ops. There's no real chance of failure, the missions are ridiculously similar and I just can't do it. It's like Reach's Firefight instead of the lives based system of ODST. I just can't get into it, but I'll eventually read about or watch the cutscenes.


I mean, I don't want you to actually play Spartan Ops, but I was saying if you want the info on it, play Spartan Ops. Spartan Ops as you said has room for improvement. Mostly due to the massive amount of recycling content in a way that just isn't pulled off right.

  • 12.13.2012 6:25 PM PDT


Posted by: Sh1n1ng Wolf

Posted by: Scottus4
The Covenent are back as dicks, and the only explanation from Cortana is "Oh, they must be a salvaging crew" or something along those lines. I don't remember the exact reason because it's never, ever brought up again

Play Spartan Ops. Halo 4's main campaign isn't about the Covvies, it is about MC, Cortana, and Didact.

I seriously can't get into Spartan Ops. There's no real chance of failure, the missions are ridiculously similar and I just can't do it. It's like Reach's Firefight instead of the lives based system of ODST. I just can't get into it, but I'll eventually read about or watch the cutscenes.
The cut scenes are the only good thing about Spartan Ops.

  • 12.13.2012 6:26 PM PDT

The series went from the Master Chief fighting in a war between two races to Star Wars and magic.

And 343bots really have the worst arguments. They always claim that the previous games were hated this much too and that we all have nostalgia goggles on even though they don't realize that this means their memory of the hate for it is very much skewed as well. Halo 2 and Halo 3 were VERY MUCH LIKED, this was shown through it leading the charts constantly in battle with CoD 4 (and being classics). Reach started the massive hate train and Reach STILL SUCKS. No, we don't think it is good now. 343bots please stop using these made up arguments to compensate for your lack of rebuttals. Halo 4 is on the same track as Reach, the numbers don't lie and the game isn't fun anymore or appealing.

And again, this trilogy's story is very stupid. The campaign is forgettable and the enemies (they even messed up the Covenant) aren't fun to go against. Maybe if they spent more time on a quality game rather than filling up my memory trying to make some bull-blam!- multiplayer story that isn't needed then the game would be considered good.

[Edited on 12.13.2012 6:37 PM PST]

  • 12.13.2012 6:31 PM PDT


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And Force choking the Chief is unbelievable when the Forerunners had total control over gravity?
That's not the point. Having an all powerful, impossible to fight being just suddenly appear in Halo when there have been no other such gravity manipulation mechanics presented or even referenced to at any point in any Halo game is stupid. It's -blam!- Darth Vader in Halo with no motivation except to just be a dick. I guarantee that at least 80% of the Halo players have any idea who or what the hell the Didact is since he's only been mentioned in the books, anyway. Cortana and Chief also know what they're looking at when they see him, despite no reference to him in any of the Halo games with Chief and Cortona. No explanation or anything, just "Whelp, that's a Diadu- OH -blam!-, DARTH VADER'S IN HALO!!!"

Someone did not pay attention to the Halo 3 terminals...

  • 12.13.2012 6:33 PM PDT

the enemies (they even messed up the Covenant) aren't fun to go against

They never have been. Halo has always had bad PVE. Always. Always. Always. I wouldn't touch the franchise if it wasn't for the MP, and given the downhill slide of the MP, Halo 4 may mark the end of my time with Halo and Microsoft consoles.

  • 12.13.2012 6:49 PM PDT

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It is just going to ruin the mystery of the forerunners, which was a huge portion of Halo.

  • 12.13.2012 6:50 PM PDT

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I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.
No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.
Do I detect hate from a... ninja?

  • 12.13.2012 6:54 PM PDT

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They should make more of an open world and smarten the AI. 343 should also remove the gimmicks from halo war games. It would be interesting if there were multiple objectives to complete instead of start here and get here. Maybe add in a few boss battles.

  • 12.13.2012 7:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: Bornstellarr
I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.
No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.
Do I detect hate from a... ninja?


I think you do.

  • 12.13.2012 7:09 PM PDT