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@accordingto343

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
I guess you have a point. But seeing the epilogue, its only the didact so far who wants humanity gone. What does he see thats so threatening about humanity? Especially when most forerunners decided that humans shall be their inheritors?


He had been trapped in a Flood-infected star system, but I'm sure they couldn't have anything to do with it.

  • 12.13.2012 8:30 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

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Posted by: Bornstellarr
I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.


No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.
FINALLY


I disagree. But hey if thats your opinion fine. I think its expanding the universe in a new and interesting way while still respecting the lore and that bobcast didnt even give any good reasons as to why its such a pervesion.


The problem is that 343i is expanding the lore...badly. The Halo 4 Terminals are a canonical mess and don't connect well with the Forerunner Saga.

  • 12.13.2012 8:32 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
I guess you have a point. But seeing the epilogue, its only the didact so far who wants humanity gone. What does he see thats so threatening about humanity? Especially when most forerunners decided that humans shall be their inheritors?


He had been trapped in a Flood-infected star system, but I'm sure they couldn't have anything to do with it.


So when he got out how did he end up on requiem?


We'll have to read Silentium to figure that out.

  • 12.13.2012 8:35 PM PDT


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Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: Bornstellarr
I think the Reclaimer trilogy will become the definitive Halo experience. Yeah the first trilogy was about the Human-Covenant War, but this trilogy is focusing on the true nature of Halo's story, the Forerunners and possibly beyond.


No. It will not.

The Halo 4 story is a perversion of the Halo story line, simply created to drag out the series and milk it for more money.
I found it to be a good story.

  • 12.13.2012 8:36 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

It's more the promise of a grand epic that can never be delivered. Short of some 41 hour campaign epic you could never get the story of the books in the Forerunner Saga across in the Reclaimer trilogy. It just isn't possible. I wish they hadn't tried to tie to two together, anything less than a perfect delivery just kills the story.

  • 12.13.2012 8:36 PM PDT

@accordingto343

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Can you explain how and why? I honestly find most of halo 4's flaws in the multiplayer.



My problems occur with the pacing of the story and treatment of the expanded universe canon that was included in the game. Let me start with the Big Bad of Halo 4, the Didact. He was the villain, but he wasn't a very good one. His motives are relatively vague and his character in the games does not align with his character in the novels. His motives boil down to "Grr, I hate humans!" and to achieve his goal he wants to use a Forerunner superweapon. Where have we seen this before except in every Halo game ever? The Terminals, which I'll cover in more detail, didn't help matters either. No doubt he was bitter after the Human-Forerunner War shown to John by the Librarian, but in Cryptum 1,000+ years had passed since that event and he didn't start ripping humans to shreds the moment he got out of the Cryptum on Earth. So why exactly is he peeved now? I would've prefered the Master Builder, an already established bad guy in the Forerunner Saga who hated humans and other non-Forerunner races. He would employ torture on his enemies, he repeatedly violated the Mantle and constructed the Halos. The Didacts goal of having the Forerunners rule the galaxy again would be better suited under the Master Builder.

Now let's talk pacing, events just happened way too fast for my taste. So Chief and Cortana crash on Requiem, okay that's fine and expected. Then within minutes the UNSC Infinity tries to contact them. I get the Infinity found Cortana's signal, but it seems like a pretty big coincidence that they just happened to be that close to the Dawn and Requiem. Soon after that, we are introduced to the Didact. Now I wouldn't be disappointed in that if there had been some build up, maybe have some references somewhere about a "prisoner". But it just happens and nothing much is done with him. He is an unseen presence for most of the game and only comes out to just Force choke Chief and talk Yoink!. And then he falls off a bridge at the end of the game like a punk.

As for the Terminals, the first problem with them is that they require me to sign onto Waypoint just to view them. I take it they were last minute ideas, but it is inconvenient since they apparently tell the story of the game more than the game does. However, the Terminals aren't exactly clear in terms of where they stand within the lore. The first few are fine, but after that it gets weird. But then we see two Terminals with seemingly conflicting timelines. We see humans in their de-evolved state on a Halo ring and then we go back to Charum Hakkor and see the Lord of Admirals before he is Composed by the Composer. Shouldn't these be switched? Up next we see the Librarian and Master Builder working together despite being foes for quite some time, she had to fight tooth and nail to put humans with the Composed memories of some of ancient humanity on some of the Halos and yet here they are as chums against the Didact. And speaking of the Didact, which one is in Halo 4? The Terminals make no mention of the Ur-Didact being forced into exile by the Master Builder, make no mention of Bornsteller Makes Eternal Lasting, makes no mention of Bornsteller finding the Ur-Didact, no mention of the Ur-Didact being cast into a Flood infected star system by the Master Builder, none of that.

Yet we see the Didact, whatever one it is, Composing humans on a Halo ring in the midst of the Forerunner-Flood War. Yet at this point, weren't the remaining humans taken off the rings and put back on Earth? Perhaps light will be shed in Silentium, but it still stands at a weird spot in the lore. Other curious things missing that bugged me was the exclusion of the Primordial and Mendicant Bias among some things.

So in conclusion, I think the Halo 4 campaign suffered by being too dependent on the expanded universe yet bungles the connections and making it a schizophrenic mess. The other Halo games, quality of story notwithstanding, at least had core narratives and didn't expect you to read every book and comic before playing.

  • 12.13.2012 8:37 PM PDT


Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
I guess you have a point. But seeing the epilogue, its only the didact so far who wants humanity gone. What does he see thats so threatening about humanity? Especially when most forerunners decided that humans shall be their inheritors?


He had been trapped in a Flood-infected star system, but I'm sure they couldn't have anything to do with it.


So when he got out how did he end up on requiem? And did the librarian make chief bigger and stronger? In game chief and palmer were the same size and height. She even commented on it. In the epilogue he towers over her. So what did the librarian do that made him as large as a brute?

I mean seriously, I was imagining chief saying, still think Im short -blam!-? She looked like a little kid compared to him.

I think that can be attributed to either a continuity error, or the fact gameplay isn't cannon. Chief was taller than Palmer when they first met, but he is notably larger in in comparison in the epilogue. I think the Chief isn't depicted at his actual height in game for gameplay purposes, i.e. you'd be alot easier to hit and cover wouldn't be effective. I don't think it would make any sense for him to be larger at the end. If I'm not mistaken, his MJOLNIR is a custom fit, so its not like it could grow with him.

  • 12.13.2012 8:46 PM PDT

Watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfTAPN_3q4Q

I agree with OP

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Posted by: SPLEEEEENS
Any credibility you may have had for being a mod was lost with this sentence, sorry, but that was just really crudely put and showed a complete disregard for a lot of things that were really cool, particularly the Didact's monologue in that very scene being bar-none the best writing in the entire Halo series.


lol

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
Grow a pair. -blam!- you bobcast. Ive always thought of you as pathetic and you got destroyed in an argument by haloroach.


Also, lol you mad?

  • 12.13.2012 8:50 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Can you explain how and why? I honestly find most of halo 4's flaws in the multiplayer.



My problems occur with the pacing of the story and treatment of the expanded universe canon that was included in the game. Let me start with the Big Bad of Halo 4, the Didact. He was the villain, but he wasn't a very good one. His motives are relatively vague and his character in the games does not align with his character in the novels. His motives boil down to "Grr, I hate humans!" and to achieve his goal he wants to use a Forerunner superweapon. Where have we seen this before except in every Halo game ever? The Terminals, which I'll cover in more detail, didn't help matters either. No doubt he was bitter after the Human-Forerunner War shown to John by the Librarian, but in Cryptum 1,000+ years had passed since that event and he didn't start ripping humans to shreds the moment he got out of the Cryptum on Earth. So why exactly is he peeved now? I would've prefered the Master Builder, an already established bad guy in the Forerunner Saga who hated humans and other non-Forerunner races. He would employ torture on his enemies, he repeatedly violated the Mantle and constructed the Halos. The Didacts goal of having the Forerunners rule the galaxy again would be better suited under the Master Builder.

Now let's talk pacing, events just happened way too fast for my taste. So Chief and Cortana crash on Requiem, okay that's fine and expected. Then within minutes the UNSC Infinity tries to contact them. I get the Infinity found Cortana's signal, but it seems like a pretty big coincidence that they just happened to be that close to the Dawn and Requiem. Soon after that, we are introduced to the Didact. Now I wouldn't be disappointed in that if there had been some build up, maybe have some references somewhere about a "prisoner". But it just happens and nothing much is done with him. He is an unseen presence for most of the game and only comes out to just Force choke Chief and talk Yoink!. And then he falls off a bridge at the end of the game like a punk.

As for the Terminals, the first problem with them is that they require me to sign onto Waypoint just to view them. I take it they were last minute ideas, but it is inconvenient since they apparently tell the story of the game more than the game does. However, the Terminals aren't exactly clear in terms of where they stand within the lore. The first few are fine, but after that it gets weird. But then we see two Terminals with seemingly conflicting timelines. We see humans in their de-evolved state on a Halo ring and then we go back to Charum Hakkor and see the Lord of Admirals before he is Composed by the Composer. Shouldn't these be switched? Up next we see the Librarian and Master Builder working together despite being foes for quite some time, she had to fight tooth and nail to put humans with the Composed memories of some of ancient humanity on some of the Halos and yet here they are as chums against the Didact. And speaking of the Didact, which one is in Halo 4? The Terminals make no mention of the Ur-Didact being forced into exile by the Master Builder, make no mention of Bornsteller Makes Eternal Lasting, makes no mention of Bornsteller finding the Ur-Didact, no mention of the Ur-Didact being cast into a Flood infected star system by the Master Builder, none of that.

Yet we see the Didact, whatever one it is, Composing humans on a Halo ring in the midst of the Forerunner-Flood War. Yet at this point, weren't the remaining humans taken off the rings and put back on Earth? Perhaps light will be shed in Silentium, but it still stands at a weird spot in the lore. Other curious things missing that bugged me was the exclusion of the Primordial and Mendicant Bias among some things.

So in conclusion, I think the Halo 4 campaign suffered by being too dependent on the expanded universe yet bungles the connections and making it a schizophrenic mess. The other Halo games, quality of story notwithstanding, at least had core narratives and didn't expect you to read every book and comic before playing.
Primordium as a whole is such a great set up for a solid story that it makes me sad they went the direction they did. I mean, a second larger Ark containing the remains of the Forerunner race and the Bornstellar-Didact and Librarian who lead them, 343-GS revealed as an ancient human and going to find his friends memories in living humans after he hijacks a UNSC vessel, and of course the Flood being everyones enemies unable to be defeated it seems. Holy crap. If none of that is executed on in Halo 5 they are just idiotic.

  • 12.13.2012 8:52 PM PDT

My Brahman is ready.

Wow. Just wow.

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Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: SPLEEEEENS
Any credibility you may have had for being a mod was lost with this sentence, sorry, but that was just really crudely put and showed a complete disregard for a lot of things that were really cool, particularly the Didact's monologue in that very scene being bar-none the best writing in the entire Halo series.


lol

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
Grow a pair. -blam!- you bobcast. Ive always thought of you as pathetic and you got destroyed in an argument by haloroach.


Also, lol you mad?


Nope. You're just a -blam!- -blam!- -blam!-. Come at me.


Ok.

  • 12.13.2012 8:53 PM PDT

GOAT


Posted by: Rokklaggio
Wow. Just wow.


That's what she said.

  • 12.13.2012 8:53 PM PDT

My Brahman is ready.


Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: SPLEEEEENS
Any credibility you may have had for being a mod was lost with this sentence, sorry, but that was just really crudely put and showed a complete disregard for a lot of things that were really cool, particularly the Didact's monologue in that very scene being bar-none the best writing in the entire Halo series.


lol

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
Grow a pair. -blam!- you bobcast. Ive always thought of you as pathetic and you got destroyed in an argument by haloroach.


Also, lol you mad?


Nope. You're just a -blam!- -blam!- -blam!-. Come at me.


Ok.


-blam!- just got real.

  • 12.13.2012 8:53 PM PDT
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After reading the OP, I can't believe this has made it to 6 pages.

  • 12.13.2012 8:55 PM PDT


Posted by: Murcielago00
Arbiter was always a stupid character.


....what.
If you were a woman, I'ed slug you.

  • 12.13.2012 8:56 PM PDT

@accordingto343

Your one stop shop for all of 343's fabulous errors and ridiculous notions in the Halo lore.

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: DecepticonCobra
Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Can you explain how and why? I honestly find most of halo 4's flaws in the multiplayer.



My problems occur with the pacing of the story and treatment of the expanded universe canon that was included in the game. Let me start with the Big Bad of Halo 4, the Didact. He was the villain, but he wasn't a very good one. His motives are relatively vague and his character in the games does not align with his character in the novels. His motives boil down to "Grr, I hate humans!" and to achieve his goal he wants to use a Forerunner superweapon. Where have we seen this before except in every Halo game ever? The Terminals, which I'll cover in more detail, didn't help matters either. No doubt he was bitter after the Human-Forerunner War shown to John by the Librarian, but in Cryptum 1,000+ years had passed since that event and he didn't start ripping humans to shreds the moment he got out of the Cryptum on Earth. So why exactly is he peeved now? I would've prefered the Master Builder, an already established bad guy in the Forerunner Saga who hated humans and other non-Forerunner races. He would employ torture on his enemies, he repeatedly violated the Mantle and constructed the Halos. The Didacts goal of having the Forerunners rule the galaxy again would be better suited under the Master Builder.

Now let's talk pacing, events just happened way too fast for my taste. So Chief and Cortana crash on Requiem, okay that's fine and expected. Then within minutes the UNSC Infinity tries to contact them. I get the Infinity found Cortana's signal, but it seems like a pretty big coincidence that they just happened to be that close to the Dawn and Requiem. Soon after that, we are introduced to the Didact. Now I wouldn't be disappointed in that if there had been some build up, maybe have some references somewhere about a "prisoner". But it just happens and nothing much is done with him. He is an unseen presence for most of the game and only comes out to just Force choke Chief and talk Yoink!. And then he falls off a bridge at the end of the game like a punk.

As for the Terminals, the first problem with them is that they require me to sign onto Waypoint just to view them. I take it they were last minute ideas, but it is inconvenient since they apparently tell the story of the game more than the game does. However, the Terminals aren't exactly clear in terms of where they stand within the lore. The first few are fine, but after that it gets weird. But then we see two Terminals with seemingly conflicting timelines. We see humans in their de-evolved state on a Halo ring and then we go back to Charum Hakkor and see the Lord of Admirals before he is Composed by the Composer. Shouldn't these be switched? Up next we see the Librarian and Master Builder working together despite being foes for quite some time, she had to fight tooth and nail to put humans with the Composed memories of some of ancient humanity on some of the Halos and yet here they are as chums against the Didact. And speaking of the Didact, which one is in Halo 4? The Terminals make no mention of the Ur-Didact being forced into exile by the Master Builder, make no mention of Bornsteller Makes Eternal Lasting, makes no mention of Bornsteller finding the Ur-Didact, no mention of the Ur-Didact being cast into a Flood infected star system by the Master Builder, none of that.

Yet we see the Didact, whatever one it is, Composing humans on a Halo ring in the midst of the Forerunner-Flood War. Yet at this point, weren't the remaining humans taken off the rings and put back on Earth? Perhaps light will be shed in Silentium, but it still stands at a weird spot in the lore. Other curious things missing that bugged me was the exclusion of the Primordial and Mendicant Bias among some things.

So in conclusion, I think the Halo 4 campaign suffered by being too dependent on the expanded universe yet bungles the connections and making it a schizophrenic mess. The other Halo games, quality of story notwithstanding, at least had core narratives and didn't expect you to read every book and comic before playing.
Primordium as a whole is such a great set up for a solid story that it makes me sad they went the direction they did. I mean, a second larger Ark containing the remains of the Forerunner race and the Bornstellar-Didact and Librarian who lead them, 343-GS revealed as an ancient human and going to find his friends memories in living humans after he hijacks a UNSC vessel, and of course the Flood being everyones enemies unable to be defeated it seems. Holy crap. If none of that is executed on in Halo 5 they are just idiotic.


One thing about 343 Guilty Spark, he is still dead. Primordium mentioned how he was a fragment of the narrator, ie Chakas. One of several fragments in fact. Personally I think he made those fragments to look for Riser, Vinevra(?) and the Librarian. The Spark fragment got lucky and Chakas simply reconnected with him. At least, that is how I saw it.

I asked Greg Bear about this and said more should be revealed on the Chakas-343 GS relationship in Silentium.

  • 12.13.2012 8:56 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99

Posted by: bobcast

Posted by: SPLEEEEENS
Any credibility you may have had for being a mod was lost with this sentence, sorry, but that was just really crudely put and showed a complete disregard for a lot of things that were really cool, particularly the Didact's monologue in that very scene being bar-none the best writing in the entire Halo series.


lol

Posted by: Connor Kenway 99
Grow a pair. -blam!- you bobcast. Ive always thought of you as pathetic and you got destroyed in an argument by haloroach.


Also, lol you mad?


Nope. You're just a -blam!- -blam!- -blam!-. Come at me.


Ok.
At the risk of contributing to this mass riot, I'd like to point out that all Bobcast did was state he was not pleased with the way Halo 4 took the series. You all then resorted to idiotic retorts and yelling at him like 5 year olds. Kenway, I at least semi respected you back in my other thread, you just threw all of that out. Thank you for proving my point.

Also Bobcast I entirely agree as far as the game goes.

  • 12.13.2012 8:59 PM PDT

I make a living of selling my body, and I don't mean sex.



Posted by: SPLEEEEENS
particularly the Didact's monologue in that very scene being bar-none the best writing in the entire Halo series.


WHAT?

  • 12.13.2012 8:59 PM PDT