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Subject: Halo 4, why its bad
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This has been a trend for a while now, yet as of late it seems to have become more prevalent. I of course mean the attitude of "Well it's their product, they can do what they want, you get what you get". Why on Earth would anyone want to promote an ideal like that?

Yes, it is VERY prevalent in the video game industry lately. More corners cut, less product shipped, more unfinished products shipped. Why keep going like this? If you bought a TV and it shipped lets say without a few imputs working, less packing material was used, and the manual was basic with the complete one offered online, would you still buy this TV? What is the company promised to eventually fixed the issues at an unset date, because they were so proud of their TV that they just NEEDED to ship it out in this condition. Would you buy this TV?

It's okay, even though it's not finished the TV is still full price. I'm sure that's fine with you though, it's a new company and their first TV, even though it's entirely run by industry veterans. Oh and they offered a higher definition, but then almost at the last minute made every TV the same HD. Those who bought the HD model were not compensated however, but they got a nice box and a complete manual out of the deal!

One last thing, the TV randomly powers off your cable and internet. You can still watch DVDs and stuff, so I'm sure you don't mind.

Halo 4 is this TV. 343i is the TV manufacturer. Why are any of you defending levels of BS like this? If it were any other product the company would fail and be ostracized until they got it together again. Stop defending someone that shipped a half finished product and cut corners. They have no excuses and you shouldn't give them any. So why do you?

tldr; 343i shipped Halo 4 half finished. If someone shipped a half finished TV you wouldn't buy it. Why are you putting up with this?

List of overpowered weapons:
BR
AR
DMR
Carbine
Bolt Shot
Sniper Rifle
Storm Rifle
Rocket Launcher
Magnum
Plasma Pistol
Shotgun
Rail Gun
Spartan Laser
Sticky Detonator
Needler
Energy Sword
Beam Rifle
Concussion Rifle
Binary Rifle
Incineration Cannon
Light Rifle
Scattershot
Suppressor
Gravity Hammer
Plasma Grenade
Pulse Grenade
Frag Grenade

Tank
Wraith
Warthog
Guass Hog
Rocket Hog
Banshee
Mantis
ATV
Ghost

They have a game named Halo 4 with a very strong core and a very nice netcode.

Good Job!

But, there are blatantly idiotic things in this game that makes me wonder "Why did they do this?"

1. DMR - This 3x weapon zoom BREAKS literally every map. This weapon has "STANDOFF" written all over it. How can a utility weapon have such control of the map? Let's imagine a map such as Ragnarok..... I can cross map people from a safe location, and get POWER WEAPONS without even moving. Why would I even touch the BR if the weapon can not cross map? If you wanted the DMR to be a far ranged weapon, 343 should at least have the knowledge to lower the bullet magnetism

2. Random Ordnance Drops - Tell me, who the hell thought of making RODs. Their thinking of how this helps new players is extremely wrong. When a new player finds a weapon on the map, he expects it to be at the same spot the next time it spawns. Why the hell do weapon drops need to be random? What good does it do? What balance does it bring? The fact is, it brings negative value to the game

3. Maps - In Halo 4, there are literally 3 4v4 maps that work: Haven, Solace, and Abandon... 343 make a map pack saying they wanted to fill a big void in big maps? BIG MAPS? They shipped 6 huge maps, and only 4 4v4 maps. I understand they are coming out with a map pack with small maps, but it's too damn late now. At least add forge maps into 4v4 slayer playlists.

4. Playlist Management - How did 343 expect the several objective playlists to survive on its own? They already removed KoTH, and Oddball has less than 2K players.

5. Can not turn off Sprint/Instant Spawn - I am sure Bravo has forced 343 to work on this problem, but why was this not available off of launch? Instant Spawn does not "speed" up the game. It BREAKS the game? This is not CoD where people die in 1 second. This is Halo, where shields recharge slowly and encounters take 2-3 seconds.

6. Flinch - Why the hell can we not get unscoped when zoomed? Once again, this is not CoD where flinch works. This is HALO. HALO AND CoD ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAMES. Flinch is extremely random and breaks the skill that comes in winning a battle from far range down two shots.

7. File Share - Why isn't File Share working? Halo 3 had a working file share system at launch..........in 2007

Now I understand that I should post this in 343's forums, but I'm banned permanently.

Add more problems that need to be addressed while this game has some life in it.


Also, if you like fair, balanced settings, MLG will be coming out with a playlist soon which may include the 4sk BR.


I never really understood why 343i released the beta onto shelves to be purchsed at full price. Normally gaming companies give betas out for free and you purchase the full game after if you enjoyed it.

I guess we get the full game when it is finally released for free! You know one that isn't including any of the followings:


1. Created a blatantly obvious CoD clone.

2. Shunned more of their fan based causing more dramatic drops in population after release.

3. Dropping the skill gap even more in Halo games. Making the game 'kid' friendly in a sense.

4. Halo 4 doesn't resemble a Halo game. It should just be called A Game 4.

5. No weapons on map promote camping and there is no longer any incentive for moving around the map.

6. Terrible and stupid fanbase on their website aiding the efforts of creating terrible 'CoD' gameplay.

7. Failed to create a working file share.

8. Failed to create a working theater system.

9. Destroyed custom games. Removed loved gametypes and removed all the ability to be able to make anything but lolHalo 4 out of them.

10. Destroyed forge.

11. Multiplayer netcode is terrible. Lag, killcams etc

12. Solved the AA problem by adding in more and making them more OP. Once again creating Reach - I was more suited to the situation than you - encounters.

13. Gives players power weapons hand delivered to them. No need for map control anymore.

14. Campaign is once again full of plotholes.

15. Dev team is made of people who have had no experience whatsoever in making a Halo game before. Hence why the game doesn't resemble it.

16. Spartan Ops. Terrible story. And terrible excuse for a gamemode. (Doing the same objective over and over again on the same maps in not 'fun', 'new' and 're-playable' gameplay).

17. Weapon sandbox is servery broken.

18. Loadouts.

19. Being able to spawn with a shotgun as a secondary.

20. Ruined every single gametype in Halo.

21. Instant re-spawns.

22. Instant re-spawns in objective.

23. 'Perks'

24. Uninspired maps and general terrible map design.

25. No sense of level design to begin with.

26. Removal again of powerups on the map.

27. Halo Pokemon cards (You know those silly things you have to look at every Halo lobby).

28. Sound design is awful in places. The music cannot be heard throughout the campaign, and there is no option to turn it up.

29. Call of Duty unlock system - where you have to be a certain level to use a certain gun.

30. General terrible company built upon the foundation of one objective in mind - Milk the series like CoD does and make lots of money until the series is inevitability killed off.

  • 12.14.2012 6:39 AM PDT

Allons-y!

China called.

  • 12.14.2012 6:39 AM PDT

XBL GT: xxMayDay31xx
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That's right. I just dropped some AOL IM protocol.

We should get a "why halo 4 sucks" dedicated forum to stop these nonstop threads all day long.
I prefer parody threads.

  • 12.14.2012 6:43 AM PDT

This wall protects OP's virginity.

  • 12.14.2012 6:44 AM PDT


Posted by: xxMayDay31xx
We should get a "why halo 4 sucks" dedicated forum to stop these nonstop threads all day long.
I prefer parody threads.
We should just make a whole "WEE HAET HAELO 4 >:D" group to put all these crap threads in.

I think the mods would like that better.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 6:46 AM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 6:45 AM PDT

Pootis

If this is a troll, it's a pretty damn good one.

If not you're really, really stupid. You can hate on Halo 4, go ahead, but not for (most of) these reasons.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 6:50 AM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 6:49 AM PDT
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Why do I feel like this was copy pasted from multiple threads?

  • 12.14.2012 6:52 AM PDT

Cole

I agree with you on the DMR, flawed forge, and I'm definitely not a fan of the maps. The Mantis is annoying and the weapon drops weren't the best idea. But I'd still give the game an 8/10. It definitely has its flaws, but it is still a good game and many of these problems will probably be fixed fairly soon. You're also right about needing a beta. Hopefully 343i will learn from these mistakes and make a better game now that they have gotten some experience. Also, you completely ignored the campaign. I disapprove.

  • 12.14.2012 6:59 AM PDT

One does not simply trolololol into Mordor.

You literally listed every weapon and vehicle. They can't all be overpowered, and how is the Mongoose overpowered?

  • 12.14.2012 6:59 AM PDT

Once you started comparing Halo to CoD I saw why you truly don't like Halo 4 so the rest of this post was ignored...sad really.

  • 12.14.2012 7:04 AM PDT
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I've been playing Halo since 2002. My earliest memories include hiding at the shotgun window on Damnation and killing my dad with grenades while playing co-op on Pillar of Autumn.

Wow. 343 added these guns do they could be "cool and edgy" and compete with CoD.

  • 12.14.2012 7:06 AM PDT

Different Perspective

netcode is terrible. hit detection, lag, and killcams are horrid.

  • 12.14.2012 7:12 AM PDT
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the will to win is the will to destroy


Posted by: XxhargbeastxX

Posted by: xxMayDay31xx
We should get a "why halo 4 sucks" dedicated forum to stop these nonstop threads all day long.
I prefer parody threads.
We should just make a whole "WEE HAET HAELO 4 >:D" group to put all these crap threads in.

I think the mods would like that better.
i have been saying this for too long but most people just want to seem important

  • 12.14.2012 7:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Assaultor
I agree with you on the DMR, flawed forge, and I'm definitely not a fan of the maps. The Mantis is annoying and the weapon drops weren't the best idea. But I'd still give the game an 8/10. It definitely has its flaws, but it is still a good game and many of these problems will probably be fixed fairly soon. You're also right about needing a beta. Hopefully 343i will learn from these mistakes and make a better game now that they have gotten some experience. Also, you completely ignored the campaign. I disapprove.

Really, Halo 4's campaign really is disappointing IN MY OPINION. Bungie has developed the Halo universe to be a large and gorgeous one, and 343 Industries kind of messed it all up in a single game

I'm not saying that 343 Industries sucks or anything. I appreciate that they've made Halo 4 look amazing visually, through mocap and rebuilding the environment. Its awesome that they've rebuilt the gun sounds through field audio recording. All these really amazes me, but again, the campaign's story is disappointing.

I'll just keep it simple so that those who've played the campaign can understand it. 343 Industries is trying to make Halo 4 more of a personal story rather than more of a "Saving Humanity" type, although the threat against humanity has again, risen due to the Didact's awakening. But this just fails, in my opinion.

"SPOILERS"

Cortana just 'dying' in the end does not really impact the feelings of one that much, but from the Vidocs, 343 Industries seem to think otherwise. Cortana is just a side character who might be important to John, but not to players. All she does is advise the Chief, and nothing else. In Halo 4, we start to get closer to Cortana, but that doesn't mean making her die will bring much sadness to the story.
What I see is 343 Industries failed to understand that a character's personality should be exploited over a long period of time for us to care, so that the intensity of sadness will be much greater. Again, Cortana is just a side character, so who bothers if she dies? The Master Chief might, but most of us won't. Look at Mass Effect 's Commander Shepard, or Red Dead Redemption's John Marston. I'm pretty sure most of you felt intense sadness when they died respectively, and I actually cried in both of the games' endings. Why? Because I actually care about them. John Marston's personality and story was exploited, and so was Shepard's. But so was Cortana's personality right?

Yes, but so what if she dies? She's not the protagonist or any kind of hero - she's not the Master Chief, who's the hero as we all know. She did not save the Pillar of Autumn from utter destruction like Noble 6 did, nor did she save humanity in any visible way. She might have been the reason why the Chief was able to successfully save humanity through her advises but who notices this? If a police officer saved your life, would you agree that he is the hero, or the guy who gave the officer intel about you in danger as the hero? Of course the officer. That's what I'm trying to say, that Cortana's story in Halo 4 doesn't work.

Another thing 343 Industries messed up is about the Forerunners. Bungie had made the Forerunners seem very mysterious to us, through all the Halo games. Yet everything about them is revealed in a single go - in a single game, in a 6 hours campaign. Without proper explaining (unless you find all the terminals and read all the books), Halo 4's story just ends up in the middle of Cortana's story and the Didact's not well motivated revenge. And that Didact, supposedly Master Chief's nemesis, who plans to destroy humanity, is killed immediately in the short campaign of 6 hours. So how does the feeling of 'suck that *******' or 'finally the story ended after 3 games and it's awesome to know humanity survived' get to us when he died? Again, like how the story failed to fully exploit Cortana's situation to bring further sadness, the story also failed in slowly revealing the Forerunners and in bringing an end to a rivalrous foe. Furthermore, I haven't really understood the true intentions of the Covenant - all I know, what i've always known, is that they are after Forerunner relics, so there's no need to tell that, but please give additional details about their intentions.

One last thing I want to mention is the lack of humanity in the story, despite what 343 Industries' Vidocs' are trying to promote. I don't know whether it is the UNSC personnel's nature to act like that, but I didn't find Master Chief being treated like a respected war veteran in the game, even by Lasky himself.


So therefore, to summarise it all, the story failed to create the feeling of sadness and have not exploited the full potential of the Forerunners properly. Again, it's my opinion, and I do not intent to offense anyone with this, of course.

But, I should thank 343 Industries for making the game sound and look beautiful, although I wish Firefight wasn't removed.

And does anyone know how to kind of 'complain' to 343 Industries? Because I don't want another disappointing Halo game, because they are the ones with the most replayable value.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 7:40 AM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 7:39 AM PDT

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OP... are you mad?

  • 12.14.2012 7:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: Altered Vista
netcode is terrible. hit detection, lag, and killcams are horrid.


Apart from the fact hit detection is absolutely perfect.

  • 12.14.2012 7:43 AM PDT
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3rd edition. Now with more grunt.

TFS 4 lyfe

The fact you had the time to type all that out worries me...

  • 12.14.2012 7:45 AM PDT

"What are we holding on to, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for."

Why did you just copy and paste stuff other people already said?

  • 12.14.2012 7:48 AM PDT

Yes, I know my username is the 330th sequel to a terrible movie. You don't have to keep telling me.

The new forge is better than any other Halo game, without dynamic lighting, all these new options and buildings, I couldn't have started building my 3-story-city.

  • 12.14.2012 7:49 AM PDT

<(-_-)> Teh mokey is not amused

It's bad because you want it to be bad. If you go looking for it you're gonna find it.

  • 12.14.2012 7:50 AM PDT

He threw down a glove you made the mistake
Of picking it up now you're gone
The choosing of guns or fighting with swords
The choice of weapons is done
He'll tear you apart as soon as you start
You know you don't have a chance.

If every weapon is overpowered; no weapon is overpowered.

  • 12.14.2012 7:58 AM PDT

You have a long list of supposedly over powered weapons.

If all of those weapons are over powered, doesn't it make them evenly powered and balanced?

  • 12.14.2012 7:59 AM PDT
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I've been playing Halo since 2002. My earliest memories include hiding at the shotgun window on Damnation and killing my dad with grenades while playing co-op on Pillar of Autumn.


Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Altered Vista
netcode is terrible. hit detection, lag, and killcams are horrid.


Apart from the fact hit detection is absolutely perfect.


Wrong. The BR takes at least 8 shots to kill on a good connection.

Admit it. 343 screwed up.

Admit it.

  • 12.14.2012 8:01 AM PDT
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Posted by: joedanny96

Posted by: Mastergee

Posted by: Altered Vista
netcode is terrible. hit detection, lag, and killcams are horrid.


Apart from the fact hit detection is absolutely perfect.


Wrong. The BR takes at least 8 shots to kill on a good connection.


So you're not very good at shooting?

Not 343's problem, of you're not killing with 4-5 shots at close-mid range then you're just bad with the gun, simple as.

  • 12.14.2012 8:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Pong Krell
List of overpowered weapons:
BR
AR


This is where I skipped to; this is where I stopped reading/caring. If you consider these basic weapons OP, then just avoid gaming.

  • 12.14.2012 8:08 AM PDT

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