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Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis

  • 12.14.2012 10:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: lightlamp2

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Posted by: Garland
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Why is everyone raging on about automatic assault weapons when we don't have any details on what was even used?
Because someone who doesn't know what he's talking about brought up "assault weapons" which is a term made up by anti-gun advocates to describe guns that look scary.
What im trying to say is. Crime will always be here. And criminals in the US will always have guns. And these shootings will keep happening and more people will die. The last time this happened in the UK was about 20 years ago.
Requoting incase my point is lost
But you also have significantly different Gun cultures in these two countries, plus you have to factor in that gun ownership is at an all time high with gun homicides decreasing every year as well as support for extreme and even moderate gun control measures at an all time low, causing support for gun control to be political suicide in most places.

  • 12.14.2012 10:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garland
Posted by: lightlamp2
Assasult rifles are much better at inflicting mass casualties than handguns do.
Roughly one third of privately-owned guns in America are rifles, yet they only count for 4% of gun crime.


Handguns are easier to conceal?

  • 12.14.2012 10:17 AM PDT
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Posted by: SAtHyA96
Alright, anyone who believes America's stance on guns is correct please listen to me:

Every country has crazy -blam!-s that'll go mad and start venting their frustration on everyone else, unleashing their violence at everything in site, performing violent acts etc.

When you give these guys easy access to guns, this happens.

Don't say, "Oh but if they want a gun they'll get one." Say the shooter here bought his gun in 2009, because he needed it 'for protection' when he was a happy, normal man, then his life took a turn for the worse in the last three years. Now he's a crazy -blam!-, and not just that, but an armed, crazy -blam!-. He comes home after a bad day at work, sees his gun under his table and grabs it.

Not every killer is a Breivik-style mastermind of planning and ideology. Some people just go mental at times, and if they already have easy access to firearms within their home, it's no wonder this happens so often in the US.

>>>This article examines a broad range of international data that bear on two distinct but interrelated questions: first, whether widespread firearm access is an important contributing factor in murder and/or suicide, and second, whether the introduction of laws that restrict general access to firearms has been successful in reducing violent crime, homicide or suicide. Our conclusion from the available data is that suicide, murder and violent crime rates are determined by basic social, economic and/or cultural factors with the availability of any particular one of the world's myriad deadly instrument being irrelevant.

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  • 12.14.2012 10:17 AM PDT


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And is America going to do anything to control who can buy guns? Of course not..

Sigh.

I'd bet $100 that these are unregistered, illegally procured handguns, like it is with the vast majority of other crime.

The legal process to go through to get a weapon, especially a handgun like in this case, is not easy. You can't just pop into Wal-Mart and buy a Glock on the way home.
Finally some intelligence.

  • 12.14.2012 10:17 AM PDT


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Posted by: Make117
And is America going to do anything to control who can buy guns? Of course not..

Sigh.

I'd bet $100 that these are unregistered, illegally procured handguns, like it is with the vast majority of other crime.

The legal process to go through to get a weapon, especially a handgun, is not easy.

Exactly.

New Jersey is one of the hardest states to get a gun but be have a terribly high gun crime rate in cities like Newark and Camden.

Anyone who is going to do a crime and doesn't intend to off themself or get caught isn't going to use a registered weapon that can be tracked.

  • 12.14.2012 10:18 AM PDT

Terrible. Absolutely Terrible. Its the first time I've ever literally cried over a news broadcast. Heartbreaking.

  • 12.14.2012 10:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Doorway of Truth
Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis

Perhaps.

  • 12.14.2012 10:18 AM PDT


Posted by: Doorway of Truth
Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis


Blast the douche in the head.

  • 12.14.2012 10:18 AM PDT

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Posted by: Doorway of Truth
Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis


No.

What if one day, a teacher somewhere in America loses it and turns his gun on his pupils?

Why do people think the solution to gun crime is more guns? It'd be like saying the solution to obesity is big macs.

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Posted by: lightlamp2
Thats why i said crime will always be here. But this is about stopping school shootings. When it happened in Dunblane we banned firearms altogether AFAIK there has not been a shooting since

America is different - even if we banned guns in the same manner, we'd still have the same problem. UK has the luxury of being surrounded by Westernized countries with similar laws and only having sea/air access.

If we banned firearms, I can guarantee you'd see a prolific increase in gun smuggling and running from Mexico.

  • 12.14.2012 10:19 AM PDT
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Posted by: SAtHyA96
Posted by: Doorway of Truth
Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis


No.

What if one day, a teacher somewhere in America loses it and turns his gun on his pupils?

Why do people think the solution to gun crime is more guns? It'd be like saying the solution to obesity is big macs.

  • 12.14.2012 10:19 AM PDT


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Posted by: Make117
And is America going to do anything to control who can buy guns? Of course not..

Sigh.

I'd bet $100 that these are unregistered, illegally procured handguns, like it is with the vast majority of other crime.

The legal process to go through to get a weapon, especially a handgun, is not easy.

Exactly.

New Jersey is one of the hardest states to get a gun but be have a terribly high gun crime rate in cities like Newark and Camden.

Anyone who is going to do a crime and doesn't intend to off themself or get caught isn't going to use a registered weapon that can be tracked.


^Yep.

Took me forever to get my gun paperwork in order. Took me around 7 months to actually be able to purchase my gun.

  • 12.14.2012 10:19 AM PDT

Banning any kind of weapon isn't going to help.

There should be very strict background checks and mental examinations you should have to go through.

  • 12.14.2012 10:19 AM PDT

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates

Ok, I am officially gonna speak up now.


When ever a gun owner sees this sort of thing happen, we all get pissed off and distraught. Distraught at the loss of life. We are people too, we have feelings, and we feel for the lost.

Pissed off because people who do this sort of thing make it worse for the 99% of gun owners, actually, gonna increase that percentage, the 99.99999999% of gun owners who will never do this. None of us advocate this. None of us do this. None of us want this. None of us like to hear about this. We wish we could end it completely.

But the sad reality is that there are sickos in the world. That will never change. People will always kill people, and that is a sad fact of life.


The thing is, the worst school massacre in American history was in the 1920's. 1927 to be exact, where a disgruntled farmer used a hundred pounds of pyrotol which is very explosive. He killed 38 people, mostly children.


Let it also be said that all schools are gun free zones. Gun free zones do little to deter someone who wants to commit mass murder. All a gun free zone indicates is that no one on premises will resist the shooter.


It's a sad day indeed.

  • 12.14.2012 10:19 AM PDT

Do they know why he did it? Let me guess boo hoo his girlfriend left him.

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Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: Garland
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Why is everyone raging on about automatic assault weapons when we don't have any details on what was even used?
Because someone who doesn't know what he's talking about brought up "assault weapons" which is a term made up by anti-gun advocates to describe guns that look scary.
What im trying to say is. Crime will always be here. And criminals in the US will always have guns. And these shootings will keep happening and more people will die. The last time this happened in the UK was about 20 years ago.
Requoting incase my point is lost
But you also have significantly different Gun cultures in these two countries, plus you have to factor in that gun ownership is at an all time high with gun homicides decreasing every year as well as support for extreme and even moderate gun control measures at an all time low, causing support for gun control to be political suicide in most places.
I know and that is what is so sad about it. The gun culture. If Obama came out today and said he wants gun control he was piss a lot of people off. So what do you. As a supporter of the right to bear arms think you should do to stop these shootings happening again?

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Posted by: SAtHyA96
Posted by: Garland
Posted by: lightlamp2
Assasult rifles are much better at inflicting mass casualties than handguns do.
Roughly one third of privately-owned guns in America are rifles, yet they only count for 4% of gun crime.

Handguns are easier to conceal?
That's certainly one factor.

Lightlamp was ranting about assault rifles (even though he misused the term) being far more efficient at killing people and being used often. I was merely pointing out where he was wrong.

  • 12.14.2012 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: SAtHyA96
Posted by: Doorway of Truth
Posted by: NinjaLord77
Now the teachers will have to carry guns


A teacher with a gun would have probably averted the crisis


No.

What if one day, a teacher somewhere in America loses it and turns his gun on his pupils?

Why do people think the solution to gun crime is more guns? It'd be like saying the solution to obesity is big macs.
The safest solution is armed guards at schools with proper training. Jobs for citizens and safety for citizens.

  • 12.14.2012 10:20 AM PDT
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Apparently a second person is in custody.

  • 12.14.2012 10:20 AM PDT

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Posted by: SpartanMk18
Ok, I am officially gonna speak up now.


When ever a gun owner sees this sort of thing happen, we all get pissed off and distraught. Distraught at the loss of life. We are people too, we have feelings, and we feel for the lost.

Pissed off because people who do this sort of thing make it worse for the 99% of gun owners, actually, gonna increase that percentage, the 99.99999999% of gun owners who will never do this. None of us advocate this. None of us do this. None of us want this. None of us like to hear about this. We wish we could end it completely.

But the sad reality is that there are sickos in the world. That will never change. People will always kill people, and that is a sad fact of life.


The thing is, the worst school massacre in American history was in the 1920's. 1927 to be exact, where a disgruntled farmer used a hundred pounds of pyrotol which is very explosive. He killed 38 people, mostly children.


Let it also be said that all schools are gun free zones. Gun free zones do little to deter someone who wants to commit mass murder. All a gun free zone indicates is that no one on premises will resist the shooter.


It's a sad day indeed.
This.

  • 12.14.2012 10:21 AM PDT
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  • 12.14.2012 10:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: Elfionnio11

I know what you mean but if someone snaps (and you know this does happen) if there is a gun in there pocket it will be a whole lot easier. Also it's usually better to make it harder for criminals


It doesn't make it harder for criminals, it makes it easier. Why? because law abiding people won't be able to defend themselves because they follow the law, where criminals don't and will get a gun anyway.

  • 12.14.2012 10:21 AM PDT

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Posted by: lightlamp2
I know and that is what is so sad about it. The gun culture. If Obama came out today and said he wants gun control he was piss a lot of people off. So what do you. As a supporter of the right to bear arms think you should do to stop these shootings happening again?
Getting people good educations would help immensely. Bad education leads to poverty and poverty leads to crime in general, both petty and violent.*

*This isn't true in all cases but it is in most.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 10:22 AM PST]

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Posted by: lightlamp2
Thats why i said crime will always be here. But this is about stopping school shootings. When it happened in Dunblane we banned firearms altogether AFAIK there has not been a shooting since

America is different - even if we banned guns in the same manner, we'd still have the same problem. UK has the luxury of being surrounded by Westernized countries with similar laws and only having sea/air access.

If we banned firearms, I can guarantee you'd see a prolific increase in gun smuggling and running from Mexico.
Yeah i know. Its the gun culture

  • 12.14.2012 10:21 AM PDT