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Posted by: Make117
You're right, society that creates the killers is the biggest problem. But guns are a part of the problem, and restricting them is something we can do rather easily.


If you restrict guns, something else will take the place of that tool. Then what? We restrict that too and the cycle continues? Putting band-aids over the problem isn't a final solution..

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There is really only two ways to kill a large number of people quickly and that is either with guns or explosives. People with explosives are terrorists and the ones that use guns have some kind of mental disorder.

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Posted by: Make117
You're right, society that creates the killers is the biggest problem. But guns are a part of the problem, and restricting them is something we can do rather easily.


Sure, but would we lock the guns away and then pat each other on the back and say mission accomplished?
No of course not, I never said that. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Guns are only part of the problem. And we don't have to decide between banning guns and taking care of people's mental health so that they don't start killing each other. We can do both.

  • 12.14.2012 1:03 PM PDT

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To the people saying we need to ban guns altogether: People will still find guns or another way to kill.

The Oklahoma City Bomber killed 168 with a van full of fertilizer. Why were there no calls to ban fertilizer or vans?

The double standards that exist are absurd.

Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.

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Yes, but it forces firearms into a black market which drives the prices up significantly. Not any idiot can just go and buy a gun.
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My only thing is that even if a place outlaws guns, people will still get guns illegally.
True, however if someone wants a gun - they can get it regardless. If they want it that bad, of course they will do whatever it is to do that.



Yes but a Black market is significantly easier to have if the product is already legally manufactured by the tens of millions of units.

Without you're relying more or less on conversions and cross-border illegal activity, which is significantly easier to police.

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I agree.

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Posted by: deltahalo UK
Yes but a Black market is significantly easier to have if the product is already legally manufactured by the tens of millions of units.

Without you're relying more or less on conversions and cross-border illegal activity, which is significantly easier to police.
It's a lot harder to smuggle guns across the border because you can't hide them up your ass like you can with drugs.

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I must say though, even if guns were banned, tragedies such as the one that happened today or in aurora would still have happened. Those people were determined, and it seems they would have found a weapon, regardless of the laws.

Shootings like the one in oregon though, may have been prevented.
Exactly, some of the shootings can be prevented. And if it's possible, why not do it?


And thats where I'm conflicted. I carry a gun on me for defense. I have an AR15 will high capacity magazines, and I'm really reviewing my stance on this.

I love my AR-15. I put it together piece by piece (its like frankenrifle lol), but why do I have one? Sure I can hunt with it, and with the price of ammo, i rarely fill an entire mag up when I shoot.

Ban guns...just not mine. Its sad I can't trust my fellow man, and I will continue to carry a weapon to at least give me a fighting chance. I'm confused. Def confused.

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Since gun laws are currently less strict than they were during the Wild West.. I'd agree with you OP.

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Posted by: Make117
You're right, society that creates the killers is the biggest problem. But guns are a part of the problem, and restricting them is something we can do rather easily.


If you restrict guns, something else will take the place of that tool. Then what? We restrict that too and the cycle continues? Putting band-aids over the problem isn't a final solution..
What will take their place? Knives? Knives would never cause mass killings like this. And I said that guns are only part of the problem, refer to my previous post.

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What makes you think that illegalizing guns would solve anything? They'd still get guns

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Posted by: deltahalo UK
Yes but a Black market is significantly easier to have if the product is already legally manufactured by the tens of millions of units.

Without you're relying more or less on conversions and cross-border illegal activity, which is significantly easier to police.
It's a lot harder to smuggle guns across the border because you can't hide them up your ass like you can with drugs.


....you could try, and after all, isn't trying what its all about?

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Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.

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Posted by: Make117

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Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
If they want it, they'll get it

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Posted by: karsttheninja99
What makes you think that illegalizing guns would solve anything? They'd still get guns
But not as easily and guns wold also be a lot more expensive, limiting their possibility to get their hands on guns.

Less guns would also be produced because the market would get smaller.

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
If they want it, they'll get it



You can make it bloody hard for them to get it though.
I wouldn't have the first clue where to get an illegal firearm here.

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Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
If they want it, they'll get it
The worst and most desperate ones yes. That's why we also need to have a change in our culture, so that there will also be less people like this.

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Posted by: Make117
What will take their place? Knives? Knives would never cause mass killings like this. And I said that guns are only part of the problem, refer to my previous post.


Blades in general, yes, homemade explosives to name a couple. I saw your previous post but you're dead set on restricting guns when that won't solve the problem at all, only create more barriers for law-abiding citizens.

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I'm fed up arguing against guns being legal on this forum. I don't live in that country, and by now I couldn't care less what happens because, judging by this forum, most citizens want to keep guns simple and easy to get.


That is absolutely correct. It's also part of our Constitution for us to have guns.


No, it's part of the Constitution for you to be able to defend yourself. Nowhere does it say anything about guns.

Also, the Bible says we should stone our wives if they talk back, but we don't go around doing that now, do we?

Of course we don't, because that idea is outdated - it is illogical and irrelevant in our society. Just as the idea of the Second Amendment is now.

This is the Wild West any more, nor is it the colonies. There's no grizzly bears coming to paw at your log cabin door tonight. But there's a madman out there somewhere who bought a gun when he was sane for 'protection', and he could be on the news next.

Just think on.

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Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
If they want it, they'll get it



You can make it bloody hard for them to get it though.
I wouldn't have the first clue where to get an illegal firearm here.
living in California its as simple as walking to the other side of the tracks.

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No change nessassary besides mental health screening needs to be better and the should be no "no gun" zones. Had those teachers had guns, this would be different. Maybe a couple dead but not 30.

  • 12.14.2012 1:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Gaara444
No. If people break laws with guns, nothing will change by changing the regulations of guns, they're still gonna break the law anyways. All you're doing is making it harder for normal people to get guns when the people who will get them for illegal activity will get them the same way as any.

  • 12.14.2012 1:17 PM PDT

Posted by: Make117
Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.

Patching symptoms has never solved a problem. At best, it delays it, and at worst makes the problem worse in unexpected ways.

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Posted by: erac2detsaw2

Posted by: Make117
What will take their place? Knives? Knives would never cause mass killings like this. And I said that guns are only part of the problem, refer to my previous post.


Blades in general, yes, homemade explosives to name a couple. I saw your previous post but you're dead set on restricting guns when that won't solve the problem at all, only create more barriers for law-abiding citizens.
It will solve a small part of it. Rest is up to the culture to change.

And when it comes to homemade explosives, they are a lot harder to use than firearms. I'm not exactly familiar with how they are made, but I'd imagine that the average crazy person doesn't have the skills or time to produce them. I could be wrong though.

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Posted by: Gaara444
No. If people break laws with guns, nothing will change by changing the regulations of guns, they're still gonna break the law anyways. All you're doing is making it harder for normal people to get guns when the people who will get them for illegal activity will get them the same way as any.
This. I read a story where a man in china attacked school children with a knife.

If bad people want to do bad things, they will find a way to do it.

  • 12.14.2012 1:18 PM PDT