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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
So you want another prohibition type deal? If I don't recall, organized crime became so much more powerful when they had what people wanted.

  • 12.14.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: derka derka
The only people carrying/owning guns are the police.

Simple as.


And, you know, criminals.

  • 12.14.2012 1:19 PM PDT

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Posted by: CostlyAxis
Posted by: Make117
Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.

Patching symptoms has never solved a problem. At best, it delays it, and at worst makes the problem worse in unexpected ways.
Once again, I never talked about "patching the symptoms". I'm saying that we need to do what we can to limit the number of tools available for this people, while also trying to promote a change in the culture so that there will be less people like this.

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It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
So you want another prohibition type deal? If I don't recall, organized crime became so much more powerful when they had what people wanted.
I could be wrong, but I don't think people want guns as much as they want to get drunk.

  • 12.14.2012 1:21 PM PDT
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Yup.

Every time there is a shooting of this type everyone goes "Well here we go". The media coverage in a lot of cases gives people a motive, but I can't say that for this one. People don't realize that these types of shootings are completely irrelevant to nearly all gun-related deaths, these make up a tiny fraction of gun deaths. It's more reactionary than anything else. Wherever gun laws are toughened, there is no decrease in crime, only an increase. It is using emotions rather than logic for people to suggest we outright ban guns, but only foreigners think that type of thing. In the US the talk is of "making it more difficult". People would rightfully riot if there was talk of banning guns.

  • 12.14.2012 1:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.
How many of those countries share a border with mexico?

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Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.
You'll also notice that there were drastically different gun cultures before such laws went into place to make it comparable.

  • 12.14.2012 1:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Make117

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
So you want another prohibition type deal? If I don't recall, organized crime became so much more powerful when they had what people wanted.
I could be wrong, but I don't think people want guns as much as they want to get drunk.
I wouldn't have even thought alcohol would have made such a huge difference, but it did, so whose to say that banning guns wouldn't do the same?

  • 12.14.2012 1:23 PM PDT

This was of course, a tragedy. But deaths from school shootings are tiny compared to other causes of death. But of course guns get all the attention.

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Very relevant. Take a few minutes.


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Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.

You're going to end up comparing an apple to an orange.

Take Britain. Britain has heavily regulated firearms and has fairly little firearm related crime. But they have the luxury of:

1. Not having a prolific amount of weapons already
2. Being surrounded by countries with similar policies
3. Being an island with no easy border access

You ban guns in America, and the first thing that happens is Mexican smugglers start bringing them in along the same lines they bring in cocaine and heroin. Hell, a lot of weapons already come from there. Street price and availability isn't going to really change.

And even after all that, Britain has a higher violent crime rate than we do.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 1:25 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 1:25 PM PDT

There is no reason for a normal civilian to have access to the kind of weaponry and armor that these recent shooters have used. It should be illegal for anyone to carry a gun out in public. And murdering someone should instantly mean death penalty. This country needs to grow some balls and make it tougher on criminals and for shootings to happen.

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Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.
How many of those countries share a border with mexico?
None. But then, the US doesn't share a border with the former USSR, so your point is moot.

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Posted by: Make117

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Potato Joe
Like I said: It is the people who kill, not the tools.

I don't understand how you guys can't get this through you head.
I know I have never implied anything else. But we can limit the number of tools available for the killers.
So you want another prohibition type deal? If I don't recall, organized crime became so much more powerful when they had what people wanted.
I could be wrong, but I don't think people want guns as much as they want to get drunk.
I wouldn't have even thought alcohol would have made such a huge difference, but it did, so whose to say that banning guns wouldn't do the same?
Me, I like beer, in fact guns are cool too but I can live without them.

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Posted by: derka derka
The only people carrying/owning guns are the police.

Simple as.


And, you know, criminals.
My bad. Typed it up quick as I had to head off. Fixed it.

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Posted by: MadMax888
Very relevant. Take a few minutes.


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Basically, whether you're on one side of the issue or not, do something. Do something to facilitate change. Arguing with people online or in public wont do it. Participate in government to institute positive change. We needn't waste our time being sad and mad with each other.

  • 12.14.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Telec
Posted by: chronicaddict420
Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.
How many of those countries share a border with mexico?
None. But then, the US doesn't share a border with the former USSR, so your point is moot.
but in an area like LA or any city, or place with a gang for that matter, I'd prefer to have a gun

  • 12.14.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Telec
Posted by: chronicaddict420
Posted by: Telec
It's all very well saying that criminals will be unaffected by firearms legislation, but if you look at countries which do have stringent gun control, you'll notice that criminals tend not to have guns.
How many of those countries share a border with mexico?
None. But then, the US doesn't share a border with the former USSR, so your point is moot.
Somehow I get the feeling you are talking about Finland?

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Posted by: Potato Joe
My guns have never committed a crime. It is not the tool but the person using it.

But it's pretty hard to drop a nuke if you don't have one.

  • 12.14.2012 1:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: ViVo 444
Posted by: Potato Joe
My guns have never committed a crime. It is not the tool but the person using it.

But it's pretty hard to drop a nuke if you don't have one.
Strawman Fallacy.

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1. Not having a prolific amount of weapons already
2. Being surrounded by countries with similar policies
3. Being an island with no easy border access
We did used to have a fair few weapons. Then we got rid of them. Eastern Europe is rammed full of former Soviet hardware. Plenty of things (drugs, people, etc) get into our borders. Very few people bother bringing weapons in because the penalties for weapons possession are so high that it isn't worth the aggro.

And of course we are more violent, we are a savage and unruly people. Also, you guys don't have Buckfast.

Posted by: Make117
Somehow I get the feeling you are talking about Finland?
Europe in general.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 1:30 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 1:29 PM PDT