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How come we like violence so much?

  • 12.14.2012 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: jetmann113

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: Old Papa Rich
It isn't just the U.S.


How often? Can you name the number of school shooting that has happened in the US?

Yes, violence happens everywhere, but no where near as often as here.
Because we are a big country, in fact the third biggest on earth.


What about the other 2?

As far as I've read, this stuff doesn't happen all that often in China. Something happened today, but its been a while since the time before it.

How many shootings at VA Tech? In Colorado? In California? Oregon? Florida? Texas?

Why are so many incidents in the USA? It doesn't happen in any other nation like it does here.

  • 12.14.2012 1:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
Attributing behavior to a nation of over three hundred million due to the extreme actions of one sickening individual is a dangerous example to be setting, OP. Try and consider the idea that millions of caring, loving and exceptional people are trying every day to make this world a better place because, despite all the hopelessness and cynicism, they most definitely are.

Events like today's are tragic, but extrapolating the feelings and attitudes by those who commit such tragedies to unfathomable degrees of generalizations is even more tragic. When you assume every one is at some point flawed to the point of preventing basic human decency and kindness, you do no favors for those who prove otherwise and those who need it most.


Why does our society produce so many more per capita than any other nation like us? Why?

I have asked over and again, name all of the shootings like this recently. From Aurora to VA Tech and the shooting just last week.

Why does this happen so often here?

  • 12.14.2012 1:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: NinjaLord77
How come we like violence so much?

Because Humanity.

  • 12.14.2012 1:57 PM PDT
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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: jetmann113

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: Old Papa Rich
It isn't just the U.S.


How often? Can you name the number of school shooting that has happened in the US?

Yes, violence happens everywhere, but no where near as often as here.
Because we are a big country, in fact the third biggest on earth.


What about the other 2?

As far as I've read, this stuff doesn't happen all that often in China. Something happened today, but its been a while since the time before it.

How many shootings at VA Tech? In Colorado? In California? Oregon? Florida? Texas?

Why are so many incidents in the USA? It doesn't happen in any other nation like it does here.


Those countries like china and india are poorer. I doubt they could afford guns. Just one reason.

  • 12.14.2012 1:57 PM PDT

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
We have become a cold and uncaring people. We do our best to avoid contact, and look to take no responsibility for our own actions. We feel entitled to things we do not earn, and get angry and resentful when we don't get what we want.


There's so much bull-blam!- right here.
I guess you forgot about slavery? You know, where masses of people weren't even treated as humans? How even those in the past played the blame game? How corruption has always existed? How people used to directly inherit the power to be king?

also, a small part of a population doesn't represent the majority.

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Posted by: NinjaLord77
How come we like violence so much?

Because Humanity.


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  • 12.14.2012 1:57 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: Old Papa Rich
It isn't just the U.S.


How often? Can you name the number of school shooting that has happened in the US?

Yes, violence happens everywhere, but no where near as often as here.
Don't mistake my meaning. I'm as moved by this as any outside observer. I have kids that aren't that far removed from those poor victims today. I can only imagine the devastation.

My point with linking the Chinese story is simply this. The problem extends beyond national boundaries. I see it as a global issue. Since we are in a media hotbed, what happens here is front page news, at least for us. That does not diminish the same sorts of events that can occur elsewhere

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  • 12.14.2012 1:58 PM PDT

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Suddenly all these threads!
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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Yes, violence happens everywhere, but no where near as often as here.
lol what? You mean we have more violence in the USA than the middle east? Israel is barraged with rockets every day, girls get shot for attending school in Afghanistan. The cartels in Columbia...

  • 12.14.2012 2:00 PM PDT

Studies show that men think about sex every 7 seconds. I do my best to eat hotdogs in under 6, just so things don't get weird.

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I'm seeing every possible cop out in this thread.

Yes, we own this. We do. I do, and so to than you. And yes, I AM judging a nation of 300 million on the actions of the few. 300 million people created a society that regularly produces these nutjobs that shoot at us every so often.

This blood is on all of our hands.

Don't dodge the little bit of responsibility you bear.

You should get out there and break the patterns we have made. We are creating these loners that are gunning us, and our children down.

  • 12.14.2012 2:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: LeSieg
Attributing behavior to a nation of over three hundred million due to the extreme actions of one sickening individual is a dangerous example to be setting, OP. Try and consider the idea that millions of caring, loving and exceptional people are trying every day to make this world a better place because, despite all the hopelessness and cynicism, they most definitely are.

Events like today's are tragic, but extrapolating the feelings and attitudes by those who commit such tragedies to unfathomable degrees of generalizations is even more tragic. When you assume every one is at some point flawed to the point of preventing basic human decency and kindness, you do no favors for those who prove otherwise and those who need it most.


Why does our society produce so many more per capita than any other nation like us? Why?

I have asked over and again, name all of the shootings like this recently. From Aurora to VA Tech and the shooting just last week.

Why does this happen so often here?
We most certainly do not. Events like these naturally attract attention and publicity. Just because we are more exposed to it through media does not mean this is a more common practice. Cruelty, violence and sadism are not American traits, they are as human as our appendages. Our capacity for violence is nothing compared to sadistic and cruel countries such as Sudan, The Democratic Republic of the Congo, North Korea, Bangladesh, Pakistan, and scores of others. Try as you may, you cannot say factually that America is psychologically broken moreso than these regions.

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  • 12.14.2012 2:01 PM PDT

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Posted by: cameo_cream
This is what happens when you allow anybody to buy a gun.


It isn't a gun issue it's a mental health one.

  • 12.14.2012 2:04 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
I'm seeing every possible cop out in this thread.

Yes, we own this. We do. I do, and so to than you. And yes, I AM judging a nation of 300 million on the actions of the few. 300 million people created a society that regularly produces these nutjobs that shoot at us every so often.

This blood is on all of our hands.

Don't dodge the little bit of responsibility you bear.

You should get out there and break the patterns we have made. We are creating these loners that are gunning us, and our children down.
I should expect better than you. To attribute blame to everyone is missing the point and relieving the shooter of his. He pulled the trigger. Not us. The blame rests solely on him in that regard. To say we may have facilitated conditions that breed this sort of maniac may be closer to the truth, but I find it in ill taste as well. We are a nation of civility and laws, despite what naysayers and doombringers may charge.

You judge a person on their actions, and their actions alone. Accountability cannot be held as a collective group in this regard, accountability is held at the individual level. If you want to criticize society, fine. But don't say they made this man kill our children. That's a monstrous thing to say and does the argument no good.

  • 12.14.2012 2:05 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Why does our society produce so many more per capita than any other nation like us? Why?

I have asked over and again, name all of the shootings like this recently. From Aurora to VA Tech and the shooting just last week.

Why does this happen so often here?
How do you know our society produce more many more pyschos per capita? That sounds like pretty statistical words man how about you give us a source? Does the fact that you live in the U.S. have anything to do with you hearing more U.S. stories?

How about you stop condemning all of society? If you are a U.S. citizen and a part of our society, do you think you attribute to the fact that we have so many psycho's? How about you answer that question? Or do you think you are one of the few nice people around? Newsflash buddy, you aren't the only normal one around here. There are millions of nice people here making the world a better place. Just because you only hear of the sickos doesn't mean we are all to blame.

  • 12.14.2012 2:06 PM PDT

Not to be the clueless guy here but what happened?

  • 12.14.2012 2:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
I'm seeing every possible cop out in this thread.

Yes, we own this. We do. I do, and so to than you. And yes, I AM judging a nation of 300 million on the actions of the few. 300 million people created a society that regularly produces these nutjobs that shoot at us every so often.

This blood is on all of our hands.

Don't dodge the little bit of responsibility you bear.

You should get out there and break the patterns we have made. We are creating these loners that are gunning us, and our children down.
Wow OP, way to say we are the ones to blame. What are you doing to break the patterns? What makes you think you are the only one doing so? If you are a part of our society, why don't you tell us what we need to do oh wise one? What are you doing?

  • 12.14.2012 2:09 PM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
I'm seeing every possible cop out in this thread.

Yes, we own this. We do. I do, and so to than you. And yes, I AM judging a nation of 300 million on the actions of the few. 300 million people created a society that regularly produces these nutjobs that shoot at us every so often.

This blood is on all of our hands.

Don't dodge the little bit of responsibility you bear.

You should get out there and break the patterns we have made. We are creating these loners that are gunning us, and our children down.
I should expect better than you. To attribute blame to everyone is missing the point and relieving the shooter of his. He pulled the trigger. Not us. The blame rests solely on him in that regard. To say we may have facilitated conditions that breed this sort of maniac may be closer to the truth, but I find it in ill taste as well. We are a nation of civility and laws, despite what naysayers and doombringers may charge.

You judge a person on their actions, and their actions alone. Accountability cannot be held as a collective group in this regard, accountability is held at the individual level. If you want to criticize society, fine. But don't say they made this man kill our children. That's a monstrous thing to say and does the argument no good.


I will tell the truth as I see it. Nothing beyond that.

Since no one seems to understand, I will explain it more simply.

Whenever something like this happens, the person who did it is always described as a loner.

We, all of us, create these loners when we participate in a society that does everything it can to minimize human contact.

So, I ask everyone do something to stop creating loners that will eventually act out. While the society didn't drive the guy to do it, it did create the kind of person who would do it.

Do you understand now?

  • 12.14.2012 2:09 PM PDT

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As with many others, it is NOT just the United States. Any claim to the contrary is just ignorance.

Are we a cold and distant society? Yes. But who is taking responsibility for this? No one wants to.

In our world, it's everyone else's fault and not the fault of the self. How often do you hear people say, "People are stupid." Do they somehow think they are exempt from this comment? If you classify all of humanity under an umbrella term you subject yourself to the same exact criticism.

I am not saying blame yourselves for every world problem there is but I'm saying that there are many problems that we contribute to, consciously or otherwise. We all believe we are innocent little angels. Even the people who shoot up schools believe they are victims so in that sense we aren't so different from them (IN THAT ONE SENSE).

We all hold responsibility. Yes, words over the internet have consequences and yes judging someone openly has consequences. We're not all innocent. Realizing this is the first step in actually becoming a good person.

Good people are never under the assumption they are good.

  • 12.14.2012 2:11 PM PDT

Something smells fishy...

People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html

  • 12.14.2012 2:12 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.

Don't generalize me, Charlie, because I am quite the opposite of the things you claimed "we" are.

  • 12.14.2012 2:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: LeSieg

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
I'm seeing every possible cop out in this thread.

Yes, we own this. We do. I do, and so to than you. And yes, I AM judging a nation of 300 million on the actions of the few. 300 million people created a society that regularly produces these nutjobs that shoot at us every so often.

This blood is on all of our hands.

Don't dodge the little bit of responsibility you bear.

You should get out there and break the patterns we have made. We are creating these loners that are gunning us, and our children down.
I should expect better than you. To attribute blame to everyone is missing the point and relieving the shooter of his. He pulled the trigger. Not us. The blame rests solely on him in that regard. To say we may have facilitated conditions that breed this sort of maniac may be closer to the truth, but I find it in ill taste as well. We are a nation of civility and laws, despite what naysayers and doombringers may charge.

You judge a person on their actions, and their actions alone. Accountability cannot be held as a collective group in this regard, accountability is held at the individual level. If you want to criticize society, fine. But don't say they made this man kill our children. That's a monstrous thing to say and does the argument no good.


I will tell the truth as I see it. Nothing beyond that.

Since no one seems to understand, I will explain it more simply.

Whenever something like this happens, the person who did it is always described as a loner.

We, all of us, create these loners when we participate in a society that does everything it can to minimize human contact.

So, I ask everyone do something to stop creating loners that will eventually act out. While the society didn't drive the guy to do it, it did create the kind of person who would do it.

Do you understand now?
You're assuming that I'm somehow incapable of understanding your line of thinking rather than vitriolically disagreeing.

No, you are wrong. Whoever is responsible for this travesty is the man who pulled the gun and whoever was involved with helping him do so in a direct manner.

Your line of thinking can be adapted into saying given a set of conditions, something will always happen without fail. That is not true. Similar as we may be, humans are intellectually different at thousands of levels that can't be observed or predicted with perfect accuracy. You have no idea the motivations behind the shooter. You don't know his name, his actual age, his home life, his education, his religious beliefs, his political beliefs, his preference for gender in terms of intercourse, his social behaviors, his underlying psychology. You know nothing of this man save for his actions today. How can even in a thousand years pretend you know what caused him to do the killing? That's irresponsible and beyond pessimistic to attribute his actions to your agenda.

He is a man of himself, no exceptions. What he did was his choice, factors leading up to it may have been out of his control, but his hands killed those children, not mine, not yours.

  • 12.14.2012 2:14 PM PDT

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OP is a brainwashed media robot. America is the only country that tells all these stories, do you think if you lived in a third world country you would hear about all the sick -blam!- they do there? All the cannibalism, the stonings, the beheadings, the domestic violence that goes on towards women in islamic countries?

Nope, OP only hears U.S. stories, therefore we are the only ones doing terrible things. It has nothing to do with the fact that he lives in the U.S. or that we are a "media hotbed" as somebody else put it.

  • 12.14.2012 2:15 PM PDT