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Subject: In the US, we are a sick society

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html
Obviously. We have more guns, now check violent crimes rates by country and then try and make an argument.

If I have more spoons than you, I'm more likely to commit crimes by spoon, but that doesn't mean spoons are more dangerous necessarily.

Not that I'm disagreeing or agreeing with your underlying point, I just want arguments that lead to fair and productive debate.

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.

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Posted by: Telec
It certainly does bear asking why the number of "psychopath" incidents seems to be so much higher in the US than elsewhere.
Exactly.

Especially since things haven't always been this way.


Statistically speaking, it's the white people that are prone to doing -blam!- like this.


Irrelevant. A society as a whole is the problem, not any subset within it. Stop trying to pass the buck by saying, not me, or not my group.

Its all of us. We all need to do something.

I encourage you and everyone, get out there and make a connection. Talk to someone, get to know them. Lets stop loners from acting out by getting rid of people who feel alone.


I'm white.

Truth is truth, fact is fact. Crime statistics prove stereotypes for certain crimes are accurate by how big the number of said ethnic group committing those crimes are.

  • 12.14.2012 2:19 PM PDT

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  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html
Obviously. We have more guns, now check violent crimes rates by country and then try and make an argument.

If I have more spoons than you, I'm more likely to commit crimes by spoon, but that doesn't mean spoons are more dangerous necessarily.

Not that I'm disagreeing or agreeing with your underlying point, I just want arguments that lead to fair and productive debate.

That's what I'm trying to do. Start a debate that is fair and productive.

  • 12.14.2012 2:21 PM PDT

A lot of what you stated mainly depends on where you live in the US...

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
hey didn't really happen like this before 1990.


Ok guys, OP is trolling. Let's just leave the thread.

  • 12.14.2012 2:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.
Before the 1990s, we killed people for the color of their skin. We imprisoned and castrated people for their orientation. We committed genocide on an entire group of people. We killed each in the name of everything.

Don't you dare say that violence is new, don't you dare say we aren't getting more and more progressive at least in this country.

  • 12.14.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Toxifies
OP is a brainwashed media robot. America is the only country that tells all these stories, do you think if you lived in a third world country you would hear about all the sick -blam!- they do there? All the cannibalism, the stonings, the beheadings, the domestic violence that goes on towards women in islamic countries?

Nope, OP only hears U.S. stories, therefore we are the only ones doing terrible things. It has nothing to do with the fact that he lives in the U.S. or that we are a "media hotbed" as somebody else put it.


*sigh*

I know killings happen in other countries.

I don't know why you guys seem to not understand what I am saying at all.

I am saying that the USA is the largest industrialized nation on Earth. In other industrialized nations this is nowhere near as common. It happens here more than in any other industrialized nation.

Why? Why are there more mass shootings in the US than any other country at its same development level? Not even the raw number, but the per capita as well. Why?

Loners tend to carry out these acts.

And we have created a society that makes loners. We avoid contact and responsibility. When is the last time that any of you actually stopped and talked to someone?

I'm not saying that murder is more common in America, but that we should be beyond this kind of crime by now.

  • 12.14.2012 2:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html
Obviously. We have more guns, now check violent crimes rates by country and then try and make an argument.

If I have more spoons than you, I'm more likely to commit crimes by spoon, but that doesn't mean spoons are more dangerous necessarily.

Not that I'm disagreeing or agreeing with your underlying point, I just want arguments that lead to fair and productive debate.

That's what I'm trying to do. Start a debate that is fair and productive.

Then do it with discussion points and data that aren't misleading or primed to fit an agenda immediately.

  • 12.14.2012 2:24 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.
Before the 1990s, we killed people for the color of their skin. We imprisoned and castrated people for their orientation. We committed genocide on an entire group of people. We killed each in the name of everything.

Don't you dare say that violence is new, don't you dare say we aren't getting more and more progressive at least in this country.


And we progressed past that.

And I am talking about now. This point in time. When compared to other industrialized nations, the US has more mass shootings than anyone else.

It happens too often here.

Why? What creates so many of these events?

  • 12.14.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.

I agree with you don't get me wrong. Theses incidents are happening way too often and usually by someone who was not given the proper psychological support or help.

All I was essentially saying is that if you're going to compare the U.S. homicide rates or homicides by firearm to other countries than you need to compare the U.S. to countries similar it.

  • 12.14.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.
Before the 1990s, we killed people for the color of their skin. We imprisoned and castrated people for their orientation. We committed genocide on an entire group of people. We killed each in the name of everything.

Don't you dare say that violence is new, don't you dare say we aren't getting more and more progressive at least in this country.


And we progressed past that.

And I am talking about now. This point in time. When compared to other industrialized nations, the US has more mass shootings than anyone else.

It happens too often here.

Why? What creates so many of these events?
Of course we have more shootings, we have more guns. Our crime rates have been on the decline for the past sixty years, and gun violence is actually down from the 1990s. Compared to the 1990s, our violence is only a portion of what it was. If your point is to say that we're getting worse because of our attitudes, you're wrong.

You are statistically safer in this country at this point in time than you are at almost any other in modern history.

  • 12.14.2012 2:28 PM PDT

This is not what the founders of the country expected. They fought for our freedom so we can do this? They don't take human life seriously.

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This blind America hate is the worst thing on these forums.

OP, tragic things like this happen in all first world countries. It is no more common in America than the others. Actually, considering America's massive population, the average crime rate is much lower than other first world countries.

And stop accusing just America about this "loner" stuff. That occurs in all countries. America is by far the most social and friendly country there is. Stop generalizing an entire country from tragic events or from where you live.

  • 12.14.2012 2:28 PM PDT

Posted by: Changsta inc
Racism isn't wrong if it's funny.

OP forgets that there's an entire group of nations that have been fighting over a piece of barren land for millennia because it's "sacred".
That there's an entire nation, the LARGEST nation on the planet, that still sees slave labor as a perfectly normal commonality of every day life.
That's there's a nation where people aren't even allowed to work for food, are constantly subdued and taken advantage of, and are perpetually told that it's all because the horrible "west" is the one keeping them down.

Yeah. We're the sick ones.

  • 12.14.2012 2:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast

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Posted by: Barnacle_Blast
People you have to compare the United States' homicides by firearms with countries similar to it.


Go to the UNODC website. There is data there in which you can look over the homicide by firearm rates and amounts..etc in many countries. But keep in mind you have to compare the U.S. with countries that are similar to it for example: United Kingdom, France, Germany...etc.

When you look at the data and compare you will see that the United States has significantly more homicides by firearms than countries like it such as Britain, France, Germany...etc.

Link: http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html


You are missing the point. Its not homicides. Its shootings like this. When a loner goes psycho and shoots up a classroom, campus, movie theater, political event etc...

This is way too common of an occurrence for the world's largest, most civil society.

Again, you need it explained.

Our society is creating these shooters by creating an environment they are raised in. That's why shootings like this are so common now. They didn't really happen like this before 1990. Some shootings did happen, but after Columbine, this has been a regular occurrence.

I agree with you don't get me wrong. Theses incidents are happening way too often and usually by someone who was not given the proper psychological support or help.

All I was essentially saying is that if you're going to compare the U.S. homicide rates or homicides by firearm to other countries than you need to compare the U.S. to countries similar it.


But we are talking about more than a simple homicide.

I am talking about an individual who will take several guns to a school, political event, movie theater, and open fire on the crowd.

This has happened how many times just this year?

We aren't in Afghanistan with warlords and the Taliban trying to keep control. We are in the US. Why do so many people just pop off?

If they are only described as loners, then why aren't we out trying to make connection so less people feel alone?

  • 12.14.2012 2:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nannerpus
OP forgets that there's an entire group of nations that have been fighting over a piece of barren land for millennia because it's "sacred".
That there's an entire nation, the LARGEST nation on the planet, that still sees slave labor as a perfectly normal commonality of every day life.
That's there's a nation where people aren't even allowed to work for food, are constantly subdued and taken advantage of, and are perpetually told that it's all because the horrible "west" is the one keeping them down.

Yeah. We're the sick ones.
It's Charlie, what did you expect?

  • 12.14.2012 2:30 PM PDT

Just remember that no matter how terrible you feel, or how much you want to let go, there are people who care about you and love you.

Are you implying that people are only like this in the US?

  • 12.14.2012 2:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Nannerpus
OP forgets that there's an entire group of nations that have been fighting over a piece of barren land for millennia because it's "sacred".
That there's an entire nation, the LARGEST nation on the planet, that still sees slave labor as a perfectly normal commonality of every day life.
That's there's a nation where people aren't even allowed to work for food, are constantly subdued and taken advantage of, and are perpetually told that it's all because the horrible "west" is the one keeping them down.

Yeah. We're the sick ones.
It's Charlie, what did you expect?


Sadly, neither of you seem to understand even what I am saying. You misunderstand and react according to your misunderstanding.

Don't dodge your responsibility in this. We all have some blood on our hands. We all created a society that churns out the dangerous loner that commits these acts.

I really wish I could put it in terms you would get. I've tried, and apparently failed to do so. By your responses I can see you don't understand. I will continue to try.

  • 12.14.2012 2:34 PM PDT

Studies show that men think about sex every 7 seconds. I do my best to eat hotdogs in under 6, just so things don't get weird.

Please allow me to introduce Myself
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Posted by: Rayzor1995
Are you implying that people are only like this in the US?
I'm implying that people in the US should be better than this.

People in other industrialized societies are.

  • 12.14.2012 2:35 PM PDT


Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie

Posted by: Rayzor1995
Are you implying that people are only like this in the US?
I'm implying that people in the US should be better than this.

People in other industrialized societies are.


I agree. Isn't the US supposed to be a good example for the world?

  • 12.14.2012 2:35 PM PDT