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Subject: Weapon regulation/use is a vain attempt to stave off the inevitable.

OMG
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The world spends billions of dollars every year on weapon regulation. Whether it be knives, guns, or fission/fusion weapons, humanity goes to great lengths to limit the presence of weapons. At the same time, the world spends trillions building these weapons.

On this morning, everyone is shocked at what has happened at a school in China, and a school in the US, wondering what should be done about the knife and the gun respectively.

This is like flapping your arms moments before the terminus of a kilometer-long drop.

The truth is, even if we removed every weapon from the world, or ensured that every individual possessed one, we would not be able to prevent the one thing everyone is truly upset about with regards to this incident, and that is death.

No one would care about this incident if all the children involved were immortal. Sure, it might be uncomfortable to get shot, but they'd get over it. But unfortunately, these children no longer exist, and we are reminded that we ourselves will one day cease to exist, and this upsets us very much. There may be some amount general sadness surrounding the incident, but don't kid yourself; empathy is nothing but self-preservation, and "self" is an illusion.

What is "you" anyway? An infinitely small window on an infinitely large universe? A limited, delusional, and incomplete series of observations checked against a decaying memory comprised of fragments of these observations? How much information have you already forgotten about today? About yesterday? About a given day a year ago? Where is that information now?

In truth, you aren't even alive, not in the way you're led to think you are anyways. "You" is a chemical process, no more unique or supernatural than those that took place today in the weapons we're so worried about. There is no "great mystery" or reason to the universe, but your belief in one keeps you alive, and that is why the processes that form "you" have prevailed. Evolution is simply the addition of time, to a sentence you never deserved, but hope imposed.

So cry and scream and yell all you want, do whatever you want, but just remember that everyone who died today (of which these children are a tiny fraction)would have died eventually anyway.

Do not pine for those who seem to have lost their futures today, for in reality they had none to lose.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 7:09 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 2:05 PM PDT

Lt. Dan I brought you some ice cream. Lt. Dan.. ice creaaam!

lol do you expect me to read that?

  • 12.14.2012 2:06 PM PDT

It doesn't matter. This is something we do have control of and can stop. We can't just responsibly claim it doesn't matter because they'll find another way to kill.

  • 12.14.2012 2:06 PM PDT
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i just read that, i don't agree.........

  • 12.14.2012 2:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Silentone2

So cry and scream and yell all you want, do whatever you want, but just remember that everyone who died today (of which these children are a tiny fraction)would have died eventually anyway.

Hate imminent.
Respect from me.

  • 12.14.2012 2:07 PM PDT

I am assuming direct control.

I won't lie, I love this. This a wonderfully thought out tangent to the mess of posts crying for the lost. Don't get me wrong, the incident was tragic in every sense of the definition of tragic, but death is death, an end to an infinitely small existence we all share with each other.

  • 12.14.2012 2:11 PM PDT

Death is inevitable, therefore it doesn't matter? K. You're a moron.

  • 12.14.2012 2:14 PM PDT

OMG
Master Chief w/o his Helmet!


Stosh <3's me vicariously... at least someone does...

Yell all you want...

  • 12.14.2012 7:08 PM PDT
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inb4lockbecuasegunthreadsarebeinglockedlol

[Edited on 12.14.2012 7:13 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 7:09 PM PDT

GOAT

We're not upset purely that they died, it's how they died.

  • 12.14.2012 7:11 PM PDT
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I apologize in advance for all the crappy jokes I make.

Lets kill everyone then!

  • 12.14.2012 7:13 PM PDT
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Make all civilian guns as bad as a rifle in the 1700's. You could still protect yourself, but you couldn't kill multiple people.

  • 12.14.2012 7:14 PM PDT
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LND*

The OP was going somewhere until the philosophical part ruined it

  • 12.14.2012 7:17 PM PDT

Are you saying that you expect more shootings and massacres? Great.

  • 12.14.2012 7:18 PM PDT
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Die.

  • 12.14.2012 7:19 PM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent

Posted by: Silentone2

So cry and scream and yell all you want, do whatever you want, but just remember that everyone who died today (of which these children are a tiny fraction)would have died eventually anyway.


-It is better to have lived and lost, than never to have lived at all!

A common quote with two letters changed.

"Well they were going to die anyway, so the death doesn't matter."

Alright, have a child and find out it got murdered at the age of 6, come back, and say that again without hating every single word.

Come to think of it, how would you have felt if you only lived to the age of six, and never got to experience life? Better yet, what if this happened to your brother (if you had a brother), and you were there?

Would you still say that?

  • 12.14.2012 7:20 PM PDT

You just lost the game. Now facepalm yourself for clicking this :P

tl;dr
OP: I agree. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns. Then there will be none for personal self defense.

  • 12.14.2012 7:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
Make all civilian guns as bad as a rifle in the 1700's. You could still protect yourself, but you couldn't kill multiple people.
Actually, about that.

  • 12.14.2012 7:21 PM PDT

Life?
I have the internet and Doctor Who; i don't need a life.


Posted by: mneo
Lets kill everyone then!
yup.
people die all the time; it's not like we'd be changing anything.

  • 12.14.2012 7:22 PM PDT


Posted by: SilentA98
Posted by: Silentone2

So cry and scream and yell all you want, do whatever you want, but just remember that everyone who died today (of which these children are a tiny fraction)would have died eventually anyway.


-It is better to have lived and lost, than never to have lived at all!

A common quote with two letters changed.

"Well they were going to die anyway, so the death doesn't matter."

Alright, have a child and find out it got murdered at the age of 6, come back, and say that again without hating every single word.

Come to think of it, how would you have felt if you only lived to the age of six, and never got to experience life? Better yet, what if this happened to your brother (if you had a brother), and you were there?

Would you still say that?

And Christmas was just around the corner, with a week left for Winter Break. That's what made me mad.

  • 12.14.2012 7:25 PM PDT

The shadow on the wall.

Silent


Posted by: MASTERMIND416
tl;dr
OP: I agree. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns. Then there will be none for personal self defense.


Teach hand to hand self defense as a mandatory class in school.

Everyone above the age of 18 equipped with a small 8 inch blade and trained to use it.

Stop manufacturing of firearms.

Any of the above (save for the last one) would be great, and should be mandatory...

  • 12.14.2012 7:25 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sergeant omega

Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
Make all civilian guns as bad as a rifle in the 1700's. You could still protect yourself, but you couldn't kill multiple people.
Actually, about that.

" In addition, the weapon was very delicate and a small break could make it inoperable. Finally, it was very different from any other weapon of the time and any soldier using it needed to be highly trained.". "While the detachable air reservoir was capable of around 30 shots it took nearly 1500 strokes of a hand pump to fill those reservoirs." While it can fire quickly it's deemed nearly unusable. So it defeats the purpose.

  • 12.14.2012 7:26 PM PDT

Pure Insanity
The point of war is not to die for one's clan, but it's to make the other bastard die for his
Right before you die, there is always a chance to save yourself, sieze that chance and live to fight another day
The best way to kill someone is to fight them with the same weapons they use and make them know you are better than them, not because of superior weaponry, but because of superior skill.
Hidden in the shadows, Clothed in camo, Armed to the teeth. Hunting.

I don't entirely agree.

  • 12.14.2012 7:42 PM PDT

Pure Insanity
The point of war is not to die for one's clan, but it's to make the other bastard die for his
Right before you die, there is always a chance to save yourself, sieze that chance and live to fight another day
The best way to kill someone is to fight them with the same weapons they use and make them know you are better than them, not because of superior weaponry, but because of superior skill.
Hidden in the shadows, Clothed in camo, Armed to the teeth. Hunting.


Posted by: SilentA98

Posted by: MASTERMIND416
tl;dr
OP: I agree. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns. Then there will be none for personal self defense.


Teach hand to hand self defense as a mandatory class in school.

Everyone above the age of 18 equipped with a small 8 inch blade and trained to use it.

Stop manufacturing of firearms.

Any of the above (save for the last one) would be great, and should be mandatory...


"An increase in stabbings of over 9000%!"

  • 12.14.2012 7:43 PM PDT

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Cold heartless drivel.

  • 12.14.2012 7:44 PM PDT

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