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Subject: Gun control.

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Wont work. Criminals commit crime. Making Guns illegal basically makes another crime and last i checked, criminals wont obey the law.

and didnt congress just rule that guns are constitutional?

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  • 12.14.2012 2:18 PM PDT

The human element always mucks things up.

Shut up, that makes too much sense.

  • 12.14.2012 2:19 PM PDT

<3

It's called gun smuggling. Criminals will still get their weapons. And if somebody wants to kill somebody, they will find a weapon to kill them with. Guns have nothing to do with it.

  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

+1 for you good sir.

Inb4everyonetriestoproveOPwrong

OT: I agree, no one seems to understand though.

  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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I wish the mods would try and manage some of the threads. We have many threads going on already, please just contribute to the ones we have.

  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

Well, I've been economical with the truth.

Water pistols, pew pew.

  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

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  • 12.14.2012 2:20 PM PDT

in·dif·fer·ence
the fact or state of being indifferent; lack of care or concern and empathy demonstrated by an absence of emotional reactions.

Oh gee! Look, another gun thread.


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  • 12.14.2012 2:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
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  • 12.14.2012 2:21 PM PDT
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The Gun Is Civilization

By Maj. L. Caudill USMC (Ret)

Human beings only have two ways to deal with one another: reason and force.

If you want me to do something for you, you have a choice of either convincing me via argument, or force me to do your bidding under threat of force. Every human interaction falls into one of those two categories, without exception. Reason or force, that's it.

In a truly moral and civilized society, people exclusively interact through persuasion. Force has no place as a valid method of social interaction, and the only thing that removes force from the menu is the personal firearm, as paradoxical as it may sound to some. When I carry a gun, you cannot deal with me by force. You have to use reason and try to persuade me, because I have a way to negate your threat or employment of force.

The gun is the only personal weapon that puts a 100-pound woman on equal footing with a 220-pound mugger, a 75-year old retiree on equal footing with a 19-year old gang banger, and a single -blam!- guy on equal footing with a carload of drunk guys with baseball bats. The gun removes the disparity in physical strength, size, or numbers between a potential attacker and a defender.

There are plenty of people who consider the gun as the source of bad force equations. These are the people who think that we'd be more civilized if all guns were removed from society, because a firearm makes it easier for a [armed] mugger to do his job. That, of course, is only true if the mugger's potential victims are mostly disarmed either by choice or by legislative fiat--it has no validity when most of a mugger's potential marks are armed. People who argue for the banning of arms ask for automatic rule by the young, the strong, and the many, and that's the exact opposite of a civilized society. A mugger, even an armed one, can only make a successful living in a society where the state has granted him a force monopoly.

Then there's the argument that the gun makes confrontations lethal that otherwise would only result in injury. This argument is fallacious in several ways. Without guns involved, confrontations are won by the physically superior party inflicting overwhelming injury on the loser. People who think that fists, bats, sticks, or stones don't constitute lethal force watch too much TV, where people take beatings and come out of it with a bloody lip at worst. The fact that the gun makes lethal force easier works solely in favor of the weaker defender, not the stronger attacker. If both are armed, the field is level.

The gun is the only weapon that's as lethal in the hands of an octogenarian as it is in the hands of a weight lifter. It simply wouldn't work as well as a force equalizer if it wasn't both lethal and easily employable.

When I carry a gun, I don't do so because I am looking for a fight, but because I'm looking to be left alone. The gun at my side means that I cannot be forced, only persuaded. I don't carry it because I'm afraid, but because it enables me to be unafraid. It doesn't limit the actions of those who would interact with me through reason, only the actions of those who would do so by force.

It removes force from the equation...and that's why carrying a gun is a civilized act.

  • 12.14.2012 2:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: LeSieg
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Post Control will only allow trolls to post these threads. After all, trolls don't obey TOU rules.

OT, I agree with the OP.

  • 12.14.2012 2:22 PM PDT
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no youre wrong OP! guns are bad and people who own guns are bad and kill people all the time because they own guns and guns kill people because people kill people hurrr deeerp!!!1!one!eleven!

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Posted by: Garland
The Gun Is Civilization
Saved for future convo's.

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OP decided he couldn't post this in any of the other threads because he wanted his own hot topic.

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Posted by: Toxifies
It's called gun smuggling. Criminals will still get their weapons. And if somebody wants to kill somebody, they will find a weapon to kill them with. Guns have nothing to do with it.


Agreed. If people are determined to hurt others, they will do it.

  • 12.14.2012 2:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: SawzeBawse
and didnt congress just rule that guns are constitutional?

I think you mean that Illinois found their ban on concealed carry unconstitutional.

Different things.

  • 12.14.2012 2:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: EnragedElite67
"The problem with quotes on the internet is 95% are made up." - Socrates

I am curious what everyone believes should be passed in terms of Gun Control legislation?

Background checks?
Already exists. ATF form 4473 which is also known as National Instant Criminal Background Check System or NICS. It is an instant background check. You can get denied at the counter just for having the same first name as a felon.

Preventing mentally ill people from getting guns?
Already exists


Preventing people from owning "Assault Weapons?"

Hunting Rifle
"Assault Weapon"
Both are .223 caliber rifles, both use a semi-automatic firing mechanism, but according to some people, one is more dangerous than the other.



So, what sort of gun control legislation do you propose?





  • 12.14.2012 2:33 PM PDT