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Subject: What if only handguns were legal in America?

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Posted by: MadMax888

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Posted by: MadMax888
That's operator error, no fault of the car.
So is shooting a person with a gun.

But everyone knows that.
I doubt it. People who shoot other people do precisely what they intend to. Texting and driving, thus causing an accident, is not intended.
Texting and driving is charged as a Manslaughter crime which is when one's actions causes the death of another when it is reasonably clear that the action in hand is inherently dangerous.

Like texting and driving for instance.

  • 12.14.2012 3:40 PM PDT

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Posted by: foreveraloner35

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
Oh. Oops *blushes*

Well, at least pistols have less in a magazine, have less range as you say, and correct me if m wrong but aren't they supposed to be harder to am with that rifles?


Pistols can have large magazines. They're only harder to aim from at a distance.


Hmm, perhaps extended mags could be outlawed?


You could do that, however there is no way to regulate it. Anybody who already has extended mags would be able to keep them without anyone knowing. I know that there already is a limit for the size of mags for hunting, but again that's hard to regulate.

  • 12.14.2012 3:41 PM PDT


Posted by: Sarg GoldIeaf

Posted by: foreveraloner35

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
Oh. Oops *blushes*

Well, at least pistols have less in a magazine, have less range as you say, and correct me if m wrong but aren't they supposed to be harder to am with that rifles?


Pistols can have large magazines. They're only harder to aim from at a distance.


Hmm, perhaps extended mags could be outlawed?


You could do that, however there is no way to regulate it. Anybody who already has extended mags would be able to keep them without anyone knowing. I know that there already is a limit for the size of mags for hunting, but again that's hard to regulate.


I guess so. If only America had had gun regulations earlier from now :(

  • 12.14.2012 3:41 PM PDT

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lol no

If you want to reduce violence, you ban handguns, not rifles (noting that automatic weapons of either kind are already pretty much banned). OP is clearly unqualified to speak on this topic IMO.

  • 12.14.2012 3:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

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Posted by: MadMax888
That's operator error, no fault of the car.
So is shooting a person with a gun.

But everyone knows that.
I doubt it. People who shoot other people do precisely what they intend to. Texting and driving, thus causing an accident, is not intended.
Texting and driving is charged as a Manslaughter crime which is when one's actions causes the death of another when it is reasonably clear that the action in hand is inherently dangerous.

Like texting and driving for instance.
Meanwhile, shooting and killing someone is 1st degree murder. They're different crimes.

For one, the operator's negligence caused injury/death. The other, the operator's direct actions caused injury/death.

  • 12.14.2012 3:42 PM PDT

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: An Elite Decoy

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: An Elite Decoy

Posted by: MadMax888
That's operator error, no fault of the car.
So is shooting a person with a gun.

But everyone knows that.
I doubt it. People who shoot other people do precisely what they intend to. Texting and driving, thus causing an accident, is not intended.
Texting and driving is charged as a Manslaughter crime which is when one's actions causes the death of another when it is reasonably clear that the action in hand is inherently dangerous.

Like texting and driving for instance.
Meanwhile, shooting and killing someone is 1st degree murder. They're different crimes.

For one, the operator's negligence caused injury/death. The other, the operator's direct actions caused injury/death.
It is operator error. Guns are meant to kill bad guys, not good guys. Duh. Operator aimed at the wrong people, dumb operator.

Prove me wrong.

  • 12.14.2012 3:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
I guess so. If only America had had gun regulations earlier from now :(


Wouldn't really matter, if anything it would make thing worse to have tighter gun regulations.

  • 12.14.2012 3:44 PM PDT


Posted by: Aythor
Unfortunately it wouldn't make a difference, there is nothing one single person/body can do to fix the problem in America.

Guns aren't the problem, in Canada there are still millions of guns and the murder rates are no where near as high as the U.S.

In Britain we have strict gun control, but thousands of guns are found in inner-city ghettos, places like Birmingham, London, Manchester, gun crime in the UK is limited to cities where there is a gang culture brought on by:
- Absent or poor parenting
- Poor education
- Unemployment
- High levels of drug addiction.

Gun control won't help the U.S, only U.S citizens can help the U.S.

Western society, the U.S in particular is built on an aggressive form of capitalism, this results in wealth inequality and exploitation of the work force, thus leading to disillusionment of the government.

The population don't respect the police because it is plagued with corruption and brutality. For that they have nobody to blame but themselves.

Just as nobody can fix America, nobody can take responsibility, the entire culture, economic and political system along with the entire population is to blame.

Good luck, America.


Probably the best post I've seen on the subject

  • 12.14.2012 3:44 PM PDT

Without a sign, his sword the brave man draws, and asks no omen but his country's cause


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: An Elite Decoy

Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: An Elite Decoy

Posted by: MadMax888
That's operator error, no fault of the car.
So is shooting a person with a gun.

But everyone knows that.
I doubt it. People who shoot other people do precisely what they intend to. Texting and driving, thus causing an accident, is not intended.
Texting and driving is charged as a Manslaughter crime which is when one's actions causes the death of another when it is reasonably clear that the action in hand is inherently dangerous.

Like texting and driving for instance.
Meanwhile, shooting and killing someone is 1st degree murder. They're different crimes.

For one, the operator's negligence caused injury/death. The other, the operator's direct actions caused injury/death.
Would not the drivers direct action still result in the death of whomever he/she hit?

I agree they're different crimes, but your reasoning is false.

What you should have brought up is the malice aforethought of the individual for a charge of first degree murder to be brought up. While manslaughter needs only a negligent disregard of the individuals actions.

  • 12.14.2012 3:46 PM PDT


Posted by: Gruntzilla24
People shouldn't be better armed than the police
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That's the whole point of the right to bear arms, so that in the even of a second revolution the revolting citizens aren't outmatched. Think about the times that document was written in.

I think a better statement is, police should be better armed. It really isn't hard to buy a better gun than what your local police use. Most police departments buy cheap guns due to the volume in which they have to purchase them.

  • 12.14.2012 3:48 PM PDT

UPDATE: The shooter actually used an M16 alongside his handguns.

  • 12.14.2012 3:51 PM PDT

"If practice makes perfect" and 'nobody's perfect,' then what's the point of practice?"

Posted by: foreveraloner35
UPDATE: The shooter actually used an M16 alongside his handguns.
He didn't get to use it. It was in the car.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 3:56 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 3:56 PM PDT

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Posted by: foreveraloner35
UPDATE: The shooter actually used an M16 alongside his handguns.
No, he did not.

1.) It wasn't an M-16.

2.) I think they found that one in the car, thus it was never used.

  • 12.14.2012 3:56 PM PDT


Posted by: RighteousTyrant
Posted by: foreveraloner35
UPDATE: The shooter actually used an M16 alongside his handguns.
No, he did not.

1.) It wasn't an M-16.

2.) I think they found that one in the car, thus it was never used.


Oh. Well it was an assault rifle.

Plus, it's highly likely it could have been used, and its likely it was legal since his handguns have been confirmed to have been legally purchased

  • 12.14.2012 3:59 PM PDT

Handguns are too easy to conceal. I would say that civilians should be allowed to own rifles(read: NOT automatic rifles, just regular hunting rifles) and shotguns. That way, pretty much everyone that uses their guns for hunting or sport can continue to do so, and there won't be as many people sneaking guns into places they shouldn't be.

  • 12.14.2012 4:01 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Firstly, civilians can't get assault rifles without paying well over $10,000 and receiving an tax stamp from the BATFE, which takes up to a year to be processed.

Secondly, the vast majority of gun crimes in the US are committed with illegally-obtained handguns. Very little crime is committed using any type of long gun, the recent shooting being one of the few instances.

  • 12.14.2012 4:02 PM PDT

More crimes are committed with hand guns than automatic rifles. Last I checked only around 500 people are killed (a year) with automatic rifles, most of which were illegal.

[Edited on 12.14.2012 4:11 PM PST]

  • 12.14.2012 4:09 PM PDT
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I was under the impression that handguns were the weapons that were used most in crime

  • 12.14.2012 4:11 PM PDT

Posted by: Recon Number 54
Use your head. The one on your shoulders. No really, just try. Please?

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I fail to see how the ban of automatic weapons would assist in the cessation of spree shootings in any measurable fashion. If you spray a gun full auto, a magazine lasts about 4 seconds, and the bullets go about every freaking where unless you're well trained/practiced. And if you were well trained and practiced, you wouldn't be using fully automatic fire unless 10 people were going to just bum rush you.

You cannot/should not ban rifles and shotguns, as they are the ones with legitimate applications in hunting. The shotgun is the ideal method of home defense.

Handguns are easier to conceal and are more directly applied to the killing of other people, though usually pushed from a self defense standpoint by gun rights activists. If you banned them except for those people who pass the more stringent standards of a CCW license, I'd be totally fine with that.

It is important to note that just as the rules of society and what is right/wrong do not apply to the people who go on spree shootings, the same thing would happen with gun laws having no effect on their actions.

  • 12.14.2012 4:11 PM PDT

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