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...then they'll be off the streets and out of the hands of criminals, right? If that works, why don't we just make all the bad things illegal and ban them? Like cocaine, heroin, meth...

  • 12.15.2012 4:53 AM PDT
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Well if you made cocaine, meth etc legal then the amount of it you see on the streets would increase now wouldnt it?

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Outlaws will get guns anyways, as they don't care about the laws.
Also, hard drugs are already illegal, and the Cartels and drug dealers don't have issues getting the substances to the streets.

  • 12.15.2012 4:55 AM PDT

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...then they'll be off the streets and out of the hands of criminals, right? If that works, why don't we just make all the bad things illegal and ban them? Like cocaine, heroin, meth...
Cocaine, Herion and Meth are illegal.
You cannot get a prescribed version of a gun, and drugs can't be used to destroy another person's life as easily as weaponry. This thread is nul and void.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 5:00 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2012 4:56 AM PDT
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Its not about outlaws aquiring guns. Its just that guns are so common that any emo/unstable kid nowadays can just pop open their dads/uncles gun locker, take it to school and shoot anyone.

Or someone that was traumatised during school can just rock up to any gun store, buy an automatic rifle and a bulletproof vest and massacre an entire campus.

  • 12.15.2012 4:57 AM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

America needs better police.

If the U.S. had better police you lot wouldn't be so paranoid and so "I need to be in charge of my own safety".

[Edited on 12.15.2012 4:59 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2012 4:57 AM PDT

Comparing drugs to guns is dumb.

Drugs are relatively victimless crimes.

The goal of gun control is to cut back on gun crime, which inherently has victims.

  • 12.15.2012 4:58 AM PDT
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Posted by: sims3k
Well if you made cocaine, meth etc legal then the amount of it you see on the streets would increase now wouldnt it?


Actually, countries that legalized all drugs found very little increase in usage.

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Posted by: Steve11589
Comparing drugs to guns is dumb.

Drugs are relatively victimless crimes.

The goal of gun control is to cut back on gun crime, which inherently has victims.


Because people don't do stupid things while high or in order to get high.

  • 12.15.2012 4:59 AM PDT

Posted by: sims3k
Well if you made cocaine, meth etc legal then the amount of it you see on the streets would increase now wouldnt it?
I Think Switzerland was the country which introduced heroin clinics, in which you go to to inject for free. After that was put into place, the number of users of heroin in the country dropped by, I think it was, 40%.
Heroin related crime dropped substantially and gangs that relied on the heroin money being sold dispersed, meaning gang related crime dropped too.

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Posted by: Steve11589
Comparing drugs to guns is dumb.

Drugs are relatively victimless crimes.

The goal of gun control is to cut back on gun crime, which inherently has victims.


Because people don't do stupid things while high or in order to get high.
Indeed, people do kill for drugs.

  • 12.15.2012 5:00 AM PDT
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Firstly, if you had to comment saying cocaine and such are already illegal, you missed the point.


Posted by: sims3k
Or someone that was traumatised during school can just rock up to any gun store, buy an automatic rifle and a bulletproof vest and massacre an entire campus.


Secondly, while partly true, you cannot buy an automatic rifle, OR kevlar vest without licenses (legally, at least, of course there's always the black market). The most you can buy is a semi-automatic rifle, which sadly, is rather easy to get.

As I commented elsewhere earlier. You can walk in, do a 5 minute background check, and 5 minutes later walk out of any store with a military-grade semi-automatic rifle (so long as you're 18 of course!). However, to purchase a pistol, you need to be 21 years old, possess a concealed carry license, and go through an extensive background check. It often takes days or weeks to be able to purchase a small 9mm pistol that holds 13 rounds. But it takes 20 minutes to buy a long rifle, or shotgun with 50x more firepower.

  • 12.15.2012 5:01 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
America needs better police.

If the U.S. had better police you lot wouldn't be so paranoid and so "I need to be in charge of my own safety".
Better Police....how interesting. And what do you think would make them better?

  • 12.15.2012 5:04 AM PDT

Posted by: MilitaryTheorist
Posted by: Steve11589
Comparing drugs to guns is dumb.

Drugs are relatively victimless crimes.

The goal of gun control is to cut back on gun crime, which inherently has victims.


Because people don't do stupid things while high or in order to get high.

That wasn't the argument, dickie.

The goal of making drugs illegal is to decrease consumption. Consumption is a victimless crime.

The goal of gun control is not to stop diabetic red necks from going out and shooting things from their hoverround at the shooting range. It's to stop gun crime. Gun crime inherently has a victim.

My argument is not that all drugs should be legal or that all guns should be outlawed. It's that the comparison between guns and drugs is a fundamentally retarded one.

So I urge you not to cream your pants in rage whenever gun control is brought up or lack of logic in a pro-gun argument is pointed out.

  • 12.15.2012 5:04 AM PDT

Oh my word, you wrecthes are still talking about this?

  • 12.15.2012 5:06 AM PDT

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Posted by: Onca Rapotee
Oh my word, you wrecthes are still talking about this?
The people here will circle jerk -blam!- till their bodies turn to ash...too bad that can't happen much sooner.

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Posted by: Telec
Remember kids: when Uncle Delta tells you he has sweeties, he isn't lying.

Now get in the van.


The Black Chapter

Why is this argument so common and yet so obviously stupid?

It is exactly like people saying: "Well we used to think the earth was flat, too" - we didn't.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 5:11 AM PST]

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“Strange,” mused the Director, as they turned away, “strange to think that even in Our Ford’s day most games were played without more apparatus than a ball or two and a few sticks and perhaps a bit of netting. imagine the folly of allowing people to play elaborate games which do nothing whatever to increase consumption.”

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Posted by: deltahalo UK
Why is this argument so common and yet so obviously stupid?
Why do so many people from Surrey support Manchester United?

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Sev808
Posted by: Garshne
America needs better police.

If the U.S. had better police you lot wouldn't be so paranoid and so "I need to be in charge of my own safety".
Better Police....how interesting. And what do you think would make them better?
Faster response times, more officers, better priorities, more regulation of the police force so as to root out corrupt members, more ability to combat prevalent violent crime.

The main response I hear of why people want guns (on this site) is that they do not trust the police or the government with their own safety. Thus, the solution is to get the government and police to such a standard that they are trustworthy.

Then gun control to prevent mass shootings will be a viable option.


I'm an Australian, and I'm going by what our government is. The U.S. is a much larger country, and the police force needs to be scaled up to fight against the gangs and drug lords as well as the cartels.

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Posted by: Telec
Remember kids: when Uncle Delta tells you he has sweeties, he isn't lying.

Now get in the van.


The Black Chapter


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Posted by: deltahalo UK
Why is this argument so common and yet so obviously stupid?
Why do so many people from Surrey support Manchester United?


Easier to get to than Chelsea?
Hope on one train at Euston and up the WCM to Picadilly Station, and just one tram to Media City, and voila - a few hours travelled and you didn't have to talk to a Londoner.

  • 12.15.2012 5:13 AM PDT
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“Strange,” mused the Director, as they turned away, “strange to think that even in Our Ford’s day most games were played without more apparatus than a ball or two and a few sticks and perhaps a bit of netting. imagine the folly of allowing people to play elaborate games which do nothing whatever to increase consumption.”

The Black Chapter!

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Posted by: Telec
Posted by: deltahalo UK
Why is this argument so common and yet so obviously stupid?
Why do so many people from Surrey support Manchester United?
Easier to get to than Chelsea?
Hope on one train at Euston and up the WCM to Picadilly Station, and just one tram to Media City, and voila - a few hours travelled and you didn't have to talk to a Londoner.
In order to get to Euston from Surrey you have to go up the Northern line from Waterloo. Londoners galore!
Besides, you don't have to talk to Londoners either way, we're all standoffish twerps.

(oh, and the WCM means stopping at Milton Keynes. Yuck.)

[Edited on 12.15.2012 5:16 AM PST]

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Posted by: Telec
Remember kids: when Uncle Delta tells you he has sweeties, he isn't lying.

Now get in the van.


The Black Chapter

Fine!

Something about better pies oop ere

  • 12.15.2012 5:17 AM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
Posted by: Sev808
Posted by: Garshne
America needs better police.

If the U.S. had better police you lot wouldn't be so paranoid and so "I need to be in charge of my own safety".
Better Police....how interesting. And what do you think would make them better?
Faster response times, more officers, better priorities, more regulation of the police force so as to root out corrupt members, more ability to combat prevalent violent crime.

The main response I hear of why people want guns (on this site) is that they do not trust the police or the government with their own safety. Thus, the solution is to get the government and police to such a standard that they are trustworthy.

Then gun control to prevent mass shootings will be a viable option.


I'm an Australian, and I'm going by what our government is. The U.S. is a much larger country, and the police force needs to be scaled up to fight against the gangs and drug lords as well as the cartels.
There's no limit on active officers so that's covered, it now falls on people joining...second, response time, police are a reaction force, very rarely do they prevent a crime from happening...The only place I've heard of this corruption argument is on the net, nowhere else...and I'm not kidding. If the police were to adopt a militaristic approach to engaging such incidents...If I recall correctly, police are told to consider the life of everyone involved...including the shooter, in my opinion that's an issue...he should not even be a consideration. Response time is all depended on how fast the word gets to the dispatch, it does no one any good if word isn't traveling up the chain. I keep suggesting that schools, airports, and other vital facilities be equipped with some sort of panic button that alerts every first responder agency under the sun.

My 2 cents so far, there's more to come eventually...

  • 12.15.2012 5:18 AM PDT
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“Strange,” mused the Director, as they turned away, “strange to think that even in Our Ford’s day most games were played without more apparatus than a ball or two and a few sticks and perhaps a bit of netting. imagine the folly of allowing people to play elaborate games which do nothing whatever to increase consumption.”

The Black Chapter!

ooooh

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: Sev808
I keep suggesting that schools, airports, and other vital facilities be equipped with some sort of panic button that alerts every first responder agency under the sun.
You mean, they don't?

My school's alarm system automatically contacted the appropriate authorities. Airports should have police/fire/medical responders on-site, and everything else is just common sense.

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