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Subject: Halo 3, the good, the bad and the downright ugly

Posted by: Ditto649
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Point taken, my point still stands, there were threads for each of the things you had here. Whatever, though, I don't have the time nor the patience to indulge your argument.


To be fair mate, your point only stands as long as you're willing to argue it :)


That's like saying ideas only exist if people still believe in them. Ideas can live on without believers, as long as they observe that it is (or was) there.

Converting that into terms applicable to my statement: My point still stands if you observe that it was (or is) stated.


stand down. leave it. your point is invalid. you try to intimidate the person by using sophisticated words, and do not deny that you do not. you say you have no patience nor the time for this argument? but you DO have time to go on a forum that is associated with the game halo, rather than spending your time elsewhere, and you DO have the patience and time to reply to this thread and others, multiple times. this person has made a thread, that is unlike most others. sure, there is a few others that are similar, but there is no need to go flaming this persons every post under this thread. i think if you do not like the thread, leave it. forget it. do not get involved by flaming the thread... but wait. you wouldnt have the time nor the patience to reply to any thread at all now would you?


oh snap. he got owned!

  • 07.05.2006 7:01 AM PDT

*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?

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Posted by: Ditto649
*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?

he's reading gamertags and clan tags for me..see the post about clan tags about it..

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Posted by: Ditto649
*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?


Well, he tried to be clever with some oddly over-explanatory dialogue, but then when two people replied and contended his statement, he left.

That or he really couldn't be bothered ;)

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Posted by: DocRobotnik
Posted by: Ditto649
*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?


Well, he tried to be clever with some oddly over-explanatory dialogue, but then when two people replied and contended his statement, he left.

That or he really couldn't be bothered ;)

i told ya already he is reading out clan tags out alud..hang on i need more rupees

  • 07.05.2006 7:17 AM PDT

i dont really know what you mean by him reading clan tags :S. oh and btw, if you looked, you can clearly see that he was writing his post as you were writing your post. you just clicked that "submit" button a fraction earlier than he did. lol

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Posted by: XBladeSpartan
Posted by: DocRobotnik
Posted by: Ditto649
*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?


Well, he tried to be clever with some oddly over-explanatory dialogue, but then when two people replied and contended his statement, he left.

That or he really couldn't be bothered ;)

i told ya already he is reading out clan tags out alud..hang on i need more rupees


Relax man, I clicked reply before yours came up, so I didn't see it.

Jeez, people are so tetchy on this forum.

P.s. Cheers ditto :) You got it.

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Posted by: DocRobotnik
Posted by: XBladeSpartan
Posted by: DocRobotnik
Posted by: Ditto649
*searches for High Truth*

wtf? where did he go?


Well, he tried to be clever with some oddly over-explanatory dialogue, but then when two people replied and contended his statement, he left.

That or he really couldn't be bothered ;)

i told ya already he is reading out clan tags out alud..hang on i need more rupees


Relax man, I clicked reply before yours came up, so I didn't see it.

Jeez, people are so tetchy on this forum.

P.s. Cheers ditto :) You got it.

woah sorry dude..you got it the wrong way i was saying it in a funny way ya know..im freindly really *hides AR behind back*

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Posted by: y0urd3ad
You are all just sad that he had better education than the rest of you.

heres anouther

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Posted by: y0urd3ad
You are all just sad that he had better education than the rest of you.


Oh please. What exactly is that ludicrously inept comment based on? The fact that you didn't understand it?

Oh, and it's "he had 'a' better education"... actually.


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Posted by: Ditto649
stand down. leave it. your point is invalid. you try to intimidate the person by using sophisticated words, and do not deny that you do not.
Intimidation probably wasn't what he was going for. Instead he used what words fit best to represent himself. Since he used sophisticated words, he must then be wanting to show himself as intelligent and as a person who knows what hes talking about. As opposed to bad spelling, using 3 letter words, swearing, and grunts this type of response is welcome to most posters...atleast I certainly hope so.

you say you have no patience nor the time for this argument? but you DO have time to go on a forum that is associated with the game halo, rather than spending your time elsewhere, and you DO have the patience and time to reply to this thread and others, multiple times.
Speaking of invalid points...what does this have to do with anything? He responded as to show his opinion. He just got tired of arguing becasue he knew that this arguement wasn't going to end easily thanks to the posted having a slight technicality on his side.

this person has made a thread, that is unlike most others.
I believe that has been disproved. This thread is just a thread that groups three different topics together. The repeating topics are going to be said, and if this thread lives long then eventually it will turn into an arguemnet for one of the topics asked. It's happened before.

sure, there is a few others that are similar, but there is no need to go flaming this persons every post under this thread.
You are reading the wrong definition for flaming. Flaming is when a poster attacks a point by discrediting his/her opponent by use of stupid comments that have no use to the actual argument.
High Truth didn't do that...instead he backed up his arguemnets and stated facts to bolster his point. Thats not flaming, its Debate tactics 101.

i think if you do not like the thread, leave it. forget it. He did leave...he said he did. Which doesn't mean he won't return, but he said that he was gone before you posted.

do not get involved by flaming the threadHe didn't flame...look above for reasons why.

... but wait. you wouldnt have the time nor the patience to reply to any thread at all now would you? Look above as to why your idea of patience differs from what his waas that he was trying to communicate.

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Posted by: DSHiSTaH
Good: We finish the Fight
Bad: We die finishing the Fight
Ugly: Really old food nipple.

lol i would've thought dieing finishin the fight would've been cool

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Very nice Spage... I'm glad to see that you carefully leapfrogged my post. I guess you had no comeback for that ey? Well, let me repeat myself.

By leaving the debate where he did - suggesting that he had not 'the time nor the patience' to continue - he was trying to walk away from the situation as if his argument was airtight. And I hate that attitude; people who choose to leave a discussion without a conclusion, yet act as if they've got one over on the other person by saying they can't be bothered.

If he wanted to go into semantics (which his needlessly over-complicated reply was suggesting), we could be here all day. His grasp of the english language wasn't sufficient enough to blag his way out of this 'discussion'.

I'm very aware that ideas can live on without believers... but without those believers, ideas become stagnant.

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Posted by: DocRobotnik
Very nice Spage... I'm glad to see that you carefullt leapfrogged my post. I guess you had no comeback for that ey? Well, let me repeat myself.By leaving the debate where he did - suggesting that he had not 'the time nor the patience' to continue - he was trying to walk away from the situation as if his argument was airtight. And I hate that attitude; people who choose to leave a discussion without a conclusion, yet act as if they've got one over on the other person by saying they can't be bothered.
If he wanted to go into semantics (which his needlessly over-complicated reply was suggesting), we could be here all day. His grasp of the english language wasn't sufficient enough to blag his way out of this 'discussion'.

I'm very aware that ideas can live on without believers... but without those believers, ideas become stagnant.
Well I wasn't exactly posting to your response to him, but rather anothers post to him. But for yours I'll stick by what I said before. Only I'll expand a wee bit.

He left because his arguement is correct in everyway except for the slight technicality. That technicality would be used as a shield for every little point he made. It didn't matter whether or not he came up with new evidence to back his arguement, because that small dink was going to be shoved in his face every time. Maybe you wouldn't do that...but other forum goers would.

Seeing as from my point of view he believed the thread was going to be locked, his thought process probably was, "There are better things to do than argue on a dead thread such as this." Obviously he was wrong for the time being as to whether this was a dead thread, but the simple fact that the arguement was going to go in a circle didn't appeal that much to him.

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Ha, ha, ha, that was fantastic. Thanks Spage - you made my day.

I especially love that bit where you actually 'quote' a 'possible' thought he 'might' have had. That's his defence? Please.

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lmao

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Posted by: DocRobotnik
Ha, ha, ha, that was fantastic. Thanks Spage - you made my day.

I especially love that bit where you actually 'quote' a 'possible' thought he 'might' have had. That's his defence? Please.
Well seeing as I've never talked to the dude and don't know him that well, guessing his thought process to help make others understand is pretty tricky. Glad you haven't said anything as to where I was wrong. Its usually customary to do so after "laughing" at a responce. Otherwise it just looks like you have nothing to say to disprove it, so instead you are laughing the subject off.

I do hope you figured out that he never actually said that, but that I was guessing as to what he might say after basing what I've seen of his posts.

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Posted by: MrSpinkleswirth
Posted by: Ditto649
Posted by: High Truth
Posted by: DocRobotnik
Posted by: High Truth
Point taken, my point still stands, there were threads for each of the things you had here. Whatever, though, I don't have the time nor the patience to indulge your argument.


To be fair mate, your point only stands as long as you're willing to argue it :)


That's like saying ideas only exist if people still believe in them. Ideas can live on without believers, as long as they observe that it is (or was) there.

Converting that into terms applicable to my statement: My point still stands if you observe that it was (or is) stated.


stand down. leave it. your point is invalid. you try to intimidate the person by using sophisticated words, and do not deny that you do not. you say you have no patience nor the time for this argument? but you DO have time to go on a forum that is associated with the game halo, rather than spending your time elsewhere, and you DO have the patience and time to reply to this thread and others, multiple times. this person has made a thread, that is unlike most others. sure, there is a few others that are similar, but there is no need to go flaming this persons every post under this thread. i think if you do not like the thread, leave it. forget it. do not get involved by flaming the thread... but wait. you wouldnt have the time nor the patience to reply to any thread at all now would you?


oh snap. he got owned!


And here is the Chivalric Knight-Errant of Justice. I never flamed anything, I just stated it was a repeat topic, he asked for proof, I showed it. Then he made a point, then another person tried to dismiss my point, with what I believe was flawed logic. Then you come along using laymens terms in an attempt to rally the support of those around you. Then, you actually condecend to me about me spending my time here and not elsewhere, when you obviously are doing the same yourself, which is more than less a contradiction to your point.

Besides that, I had already expected to leave this where it was. Yet you must always flog the dead horse don't you?

As far as insulting my use of vocabulary as a means to degrade my overall apperance, I suppose I should simply "type liek this bcuz it is teh interz0rz". No, I will not adhere to that, I will use whatever language I wish, just like you will use yours. I guess, the words I choose to use means that I am trying to intimidate people. Intimidation comes from concept, not presentation, or I am mistaken in believing that what you are doing is not intimidation? No, of course not, but I digress, yet again. I will leave this alone and agree to let bygons be bygons. I ask that you do the same.

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I jumped the gun, I should have left it at what Spage, said. I thank you Spage. However, I fear it will look bad if I just edited this out, so I will leave it. Although, after seeing someone whom can see what is going on for what it is, I will simply not post here, unless I wish to keep on topic. To that extent:

Good: All weapons from the Halo series make a return, except for those that were improved on.

Bad: The eventuality that modders will wiggle their way into H3 MP

Gruesome: The vast majority of levels over 40 (assuming the levels are coming back in MP) will most likely be Modders.

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Posted by: Spage
Posted by: DocRobotnik
Ha, ha, ha, that was fantastic. Thanks Spage - you made my day.

I especially love that bit where you actually 'quote' a 'possible' thought he 'might' have had. That's his defence? Please.
Well seeing as I've never talked to the dude and don't know him that well, guessing his thought process to help make others understand is pretty tricky. Glad you haven't said anything as to where I was wrong. Its usually customary to do so after "laughing" at a responce. Otherwise it just looks like you have nothing to say to disprove it, so instead you are laughing the subject off.

I do hope you figured out that he never actually said that, but that I was guessing as to what he might say after basing what I've seen of his posts.



I commend your efforts, but I'm afraid you're a little out of your league.

Firstly, your argument is flawed from the beginning - if you're going to say 'his argument was perfect in every way except a slightly technicality' you have to first explain where he was right, and then justify why the technicality was wrong - not to mention explaining what the technicality was. You did none of these.

How can I respond to an arbitrary comment that only speaks in generalities?
This explains why I felt no inclination to respond to your 'point' after laughing at your post.

Secondly, don't patronise me. You know full well that I understood what you said - the lowest common denominator of arguing is sarcasm - a hair's breadth above that, patronisation. Stop it.


P.s. High Truth, I have nothing against you - As my previous point stated, I just don't like the attitude that you seemed to purvey.

Also, I commend your point about not writing like a div, but the point was not your grammer - I too enjoy good english - it was the way you said what you said. Rather than making it simple, you made it complicated - considering the demographic of this site's audience, I think you know why it seemed a little funny.



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Posted by: DocRobotnik
Firstly, your argument is flawed from the beginning - if you're going to say 'his argument was perfect in every way except a slightly technicality' you have to first explain where he was right, and then justify why the technicality was wrong - not to mention explaining what the technicality was. You did none of these.
Well...he already did that. He was right...any other retelling of why he was right is wasted space. The "small" technicality that I spoke of was the counter point, and the only point, made directly after his post.

Posted by: XBladeSpartan
none of them have it all in one..this thread is made to sum everything up in a few words so ic an get an idea of what people want without reading everysingle goddam thread in this forum!!


I really hope you knew what I was reffering to. By making me point it out was either to try to annoy me by playing dumb or truthfully asking for patronisation, which you asked me not to do.
Either way, you have your answer.

Secondly, don't patronise me. You know full well that I understood what you said - the lowest common denominator of arguing is sarcasm - a hair's breadth above that, patronisation. Stop it.
...Speaking of sarcasm...
Posted by: DocRobotnik
Ha, ha, ha, that was fantastic. Thanks Spage - you made my day.

Please try not to become a hypocrite either...patronisation flowed freely from your last post.

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Posted by: DocRobotnik
P.s. High Truth, I have nothing against you - As my previous point stated, I just don't like the attitude that you seemed to purvey.

Also, I commend your point about not writing like a div, but the point was not your grammer - I too enjoy good english - it was the way you said what you said. Rather than making it simple, you made it complicated - considering the demographic of this site's audience, I think you know why it seemed a little funny.


Oh trust me, I am not about to take anything on here personally. I just don't see why I should have to curb the way I speak or write to compensate for the larger demographic. As long as they understand the general concept right? I don't bug people for spelling phonically with sounds instead of actually spelling out the word. As long as I can understand what they are trying to convey, it is good enough, even if it may lack the articulation of others posts. I don't know why that can't apply to me. What's with the double-standard? I just don't want to change to appeal to this group or that group. I can understand how using vocabulary, grammar and spelling could seem offensive to someone in an argument, but how petty is that? I won't go into why, either. It was never my intent, to make anyone feel below me, or anything like that. I was just making a point, how I present it just is different than others.

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Posted by: High Truth
Posted by: DocRobotnik
P.s. High Truth, I have nothing against you - As my previous point stated, I just don't like the attitude that you seemed to purvey.

Also, I commend your point about not writing like a div, but the point was not your grammer - I too enjoy good english - it was the way you said what you said. Rather than making it simple, you made it complicated - considering the demographic of this site's audience, I think you know why it seemed a little funny.


Oh trust me, I am not about to take anything on here personally. I just don't see why I should have to curb the way I speak or write to compensate for the larger demographic. As long as they understand the general concept right? I don't bug people for spelling phonically with sounds instead of actually spelling out the word. As long as I can understand what they are trying to convey, it is good enough, even if it may lack the articulation of others posts. I don't know why that can't apply to me. What's with the double-standard? I just don't want to change to appeal to this group or that group. I can understand how using vocabulary, grammar and spelling could seem offensive to someone in an argument, but how petty is that? I won't go into why, either. It was never my intent, to make anyone feel below me, or anything like that. I was just making a point, how I present it just is different than others.


Believe me, I know. I understand. I even agree. But surely you must see the necessity of the double standard? Think about it: You have the ability to understand those of lesser intellect/age/ability, but they do not always have the ability to understand you. So, in order to fashion the most cohesive communication, the two parties need to find communal ground.

Now, nobody is asking you to be condescending - you don't have to lower your english abilities to talk to people less educated than you. All you have to do, with the 'wide' vocabulary that you have, is to find a more efficient way of explaining something - a way that will be understood by more people. THIS is good use of the english language, not speaking in academic terms regardless of whether the situation calls for it.

You should know better than to demonise people for getting frustrated when they feel they're being patronised.

And there's no need to play the victim either - you give as good as you get. I know what you did wasn't necessarily intentional, but that shouldn't stop you from questioning your rational', regardless of what conclusion you may come to.

  • 07.05.2006 9:03 AM PDT

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Real Custom Games - Breaking the Halo Cookie Cutter One Gametype at a Time

Posted by: GoldenSniper456
He's just a genius in the computer and game world. Enough said.

Well this is getting off topic, with all the argument, and though in the general idea of this topic it is repeat as an ideas thread, it is formated differently and geared toward a different kind of conversation, making it in my mind, a non repeat. It's like if you were snowboarding and you and your buddy go down the same hill but take an entirely different line (let's say its a park), it's not the same experience and now your buddies complaining about going down the same hill and you explain that you took a different line, it would have not been a repeat experience. Well that's assuming that the hill allows for a dirrerent experience and isn't your default even hill.

The Good: Much more player-map interactivity.
The Bad: Uneven player models (like grunts and jackals)
The Ugly: Cortana having a love affair with Gravemind

  • 07.05.2006 9:07 AM PDT

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