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Banning them won't do anything but make a huge black market for firearms. There are almost as many weapons as people, that are currently registered. That isn't counting how many there are in Gun Stores and illegal ones.

  • 12.15.2012 11:25 AM PDT


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YES! GET RID OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT! THAT'S SUCH A GREAT IDEA! THEN ONLY CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE GUNS!

Guns are banned in many other countries, and the criminals there don't have guns. (or very few)


Wrong

source? Look up other countries' gun crime rates.


The hidden crime rate is truly a beast to learn, isn't it?

What do you mean "hidden crime rate"? If someone gets shot and dies, the police will eventually be at the scene, or somebody will know about it. It doesn't have to be right then, but it will be recorded eventually, it's very hard to hide. There are not mass stealth killings where people hide the bodies and nobody knows about it, if that's what you are implying. Maybe a few cases, but not enough to majorly influence the overall country's gun statistics.

  • 12.15.2012 11:25 AM PDT
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No is winning...

Wow.

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To those who are (very idiotically, I might add) anti-gun:

Even if guns were banned, it wouldn't of made a difference. You can still get your hands on them, just like how drug dealers can get their hands on drugs, like how pedos can get their hands on CP, how cyber criminals can get their hands on malware, etc.

If guns were banned, who would have them then? Certainly not law-abiding citizens, that's for sure. But what about criminals? Do they care about the law?

The US is not the nation with the most deaths because of guns, El Salvador is. And we have more people.

Stop and think, put aside what you grew up with and think logically. Stop being soccer moms.

Ok then, what do you propose we do? (besides nothing, since it's quite obvious that isn't going to work)


We are really doing all we can. Banning them won't do a thing other than making citizens defenseless. Better education and earlier responses is probably the only thing we can add.
Not good enough.


So shall we make it worse by banning them? No. Stop being ignorant.
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason

  • 12.15.2012 11:26 AM PDT
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Banning them won't do anything but make a huge black market for firearms. There are almost as many weapons as people, that are currently registered. That isn't counting how many there are in Gun Stores and illegal ones.


There already is a huge black market on the internet. If these anti-gun people are afraid of semi-autos...

God help them when they see what people can get their hands on.

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Banning them won't do anything but make a huge black market for firearms. There are almost as many weapons as people, that are currently registered. That isn't counting how many there are in Gun Stores and illegal ones.


There already is a huge black market on the internet. If these anti-gun people are afraid of semi-autos...

God help them when they see what people can get their hands on.


A bigger one. 260,000,000 firearms in the US.


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Hidden crime rate. You can never truly not know how much something has happened, so depending on crime rates as evidence is not a strong argument.


This as well.

In Oslo, Norway, 90% of Rapers don't get convicted, and most rapes never get reported.

  • 12.15.2012 11:27 AM PDT

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Let's go through this again.

This isn't an assault rifle.

This is an assault rifle.

Can you tell me the difference?

  • 12.15.2012 11:27 AM PDT
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This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.

  • 12.15.2012 11:28 AM PDT
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Let's go through this again.

This isn't an assault rifle.

This is an assault rifle.

Can you tell me the difference?


It actually looks like the M16A1 is a higher temper than the AR15.

Huh. I have never seen a side by side comparison before.

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No is winning...

Wow.


Because it's the most logical answer

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The difference is. Is that cars do not cause children to be massacred in a school. There are ways you can prevent this. It doesn't happen in Europe any more for a reason. Guns will never go away in the US because of your entire countries fetish over them. The best thing you can do is ban the assault rifles like the gunman used yesterday. And get guards in every school. Because as long as guns are available. You will get more maniacs committing massacres like this

What assault rifle was used? The one that he left in the trunk of his car? He killed the children with two handguns.

Mass shootings never happen in Europe eh?

Please don't assume that I'm American just because I support gun ownership.
I should narrow it down then. In the UK the last school shooting we had was in Dunblane,Scotland. After that all handguns were banned and there has been no more massacres since. Kids are not afraid of some maniac shooting them with legally acquired weapons

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Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason



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http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1564/


You are all missing the point anyway. We shouldn't be talking about Gun Control, we should be talking about how we test, diagnose, and treat mental illness. Almost every single time something like this happens, it's always a few or one individual(s) that are depressed, sociopaths and angry at the world.

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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
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1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.

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This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.

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This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.


Banning won't stop them. You're missing the point. Not only are you ignorant, you can't read either. I take great offense to your statements.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 11:32 AM PST]

  • 12.15.2012 11:31 AM PDT
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Why does everyone just ignore a legitimate source and act like it doesn't mean anything?

GUN CONTROL DOES NOTHING FOR ADDED SECURITY.

  • 12.15.2012 11:31 AM PDT
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YES! GET RID OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT! THAT'S SUCH A GREAT IDEA! THEN ONLY CRIMINALS WOULD HAVE GUNS!

Guns are banned in many other countries, and the criminals there don't have guns. (or very few)

Wrong

Right

But in some cases countries with really high criminal activity people still have guns, why? Because there's criminal activity there.

There are cases when it's harder to come by a gun the lesser criminals who dont have ties have a harder time coming by guns. Much less effort would be requiered with no gun control, there's no denying there.


Hidden crime rate. You can never truly not know how much something has happened, so depending on crime rates as evidence is not a strong argument.

Hidden crime rate is everywhere, no matter if they are many or few. Even the countries that have more guns also have hidden crime rate. Your logic is terribly flawed.

  • 12.15.2012 11:32 AM PDT

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This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason



Posted by: ErranInfigo
http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1564/


You are all missing the point anyway. We shouldn't be talking about Gun Control, we should be talking about how we test, diagnose, and treat mental illness. Almost every single time something like this happens, it's always a few or one individual(s) that are depressed, sociopaths and angry at the world.
That would not stop what happened yesterday

  • 12.15.2012 11:32 AM PDT

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
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1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.


I never mentioned what type of gun he had in his car, i don't even know. As for the assault he had at school, hell it could have been a semiauto and not an assault, i'm not sure. I didn't even come here to argue the case, which i know very little about. /Tangent from the main discussion.

short research revealed it was in fact an assault rifle.

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Hidden crime rate is everywhere, no matter if they are many or few. Even the countries that have more guns also have hidden crime rate. Your logic is terribly flawed.


I'm just stating that pulling the gun death rate is not good evidence due to hidden crime rate. It's not flawed at the slightest.

  • 12.15.2012 11:33 AM PDT

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No is winning...

Wow.
That's because some of us can actually reason.

  • 12.15.2012 11:33 AM PDT
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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
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Posted by: shadowknight566
1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.

Since when does an assault rifle have to be fully automatic? Just because it can be semi automatic doesn't mean its not an assault rifle.


A fully automatic M4 or M16 can empty it's entire magazine in less than a second if you lay on the trigger, That is 30 rounds flying in one direction in less than a second. I'd say that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a semi automatic AR15 that can't shoot a military grade round without modifications to the upper receiver.

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This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.


Banning won't stop them. You're missing the point. Not only are you ignorant, you can't read either. I take great offense to your statements.
And i take offence to people who have there priority's messed up. You seem to miss the point that school shootings are not acceptable and that. Something must be done about it. How can you sit there and say there is nothing you can do about it?

  • 12.15.2012 11:34 AM PDT