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dun taek mai gunz away

  • 12.15.2012 11:35 AM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.


Banning won't stop them. You're missing the point. Not only are you ignorant, you can't read either. I take great offense to your statements.
And i take offence to people who have there priority's messed up. You seem to miss the point that school shootings are not acceptable and that. Something must be done about it. How can you sit there and say there is nothing you can do about it?


I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.


Posted by: Modern Designer

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
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Posted by: shadowknight566
1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.

Since when does an assault rifle have to be fully automatic? Just because it can be semi automatic doesn't mean its not an assault rifle.

Educate yourself

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Posted by: lightlamp2

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Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason



Posted by: ErranInfigo
http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1564/


You are all missing the point anyway. We shouldn't be talking about Gun Control, we should be talking about how we test, diagnose, and treat mental illness. Almost every single time something like this happens, it's always a few or one individual(s) that are depressed, sociopaths and angry at the world.
That would not stop what happened yesterday


If the guy had been treated correctly, or even been diagnosed correctly, it would have stopped everything.

It would have stopped columbine, Virginia Tech, the Mall shooting, Aurora, and the shooting on Tuesday.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 11:36 AM PST]

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Posted by: HWJohn
I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

As in, focus on the people buying the guns?

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"Ignorance is a plague."

Close, but the plague killed those infected with it, and the ignorant are still alive.
I wish ignorance was a plague.

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Posted by: HWJohn
I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

As in, focus on the people buying the guns?
That wouldn't have done anything; he stole the guns from his mother.

  • 12.15.2012 11:37 AM PDT
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Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason[/quote]

They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.


Banning won't stop them. You're missing the point. Not only are you ignorant, you can't read either. I take great offense to your statements.
And i take offence to people who have there priority's messed up. You seem to miss the point that school shootings are not acceptable and that. Something must be done about it. How can you sit there and say there is nothing you can do about it?


I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

Posted by: HWJohn
We are really doing all we can.Better education and earlier responses is probably the only thing we can add.


  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn
I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

As in, focus on the people buying the guns?


No. Stop making this an issue about Gun control, it's really about how we evaluate mental illness. When the person is buying a gun, or just an everyday, depressed, sociopath, we need to better evaluate and treat people who have the greater potential to do things like this.

Depressed, angry, sociopaths.

  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT


Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.

How many school shootings happen a year?

  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn
I didn't say we shouldn't do nothing. Ready my posts before you respond. Don't focus on the guns, focus on the people

As in, focus on the people buying the guns?


Not just them, everyone.

  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT

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Ban gun threads

  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT

Yes, aside from handguns. You should need to pass a psych-evaluation to buy one.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 11:39 AM PST]

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Posted by: ErranInfigo

Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: ErranInfigo

Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason



Posted by: ErranInfigo
http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1564/


You are all missing the point anyway. We shouldn't be talking about Gun Control, we should be talking about how we test, diagnose, and treat mental illness. Almost every single time something like this happens, it's always a few or one individual(s) that are depressed, sociopaths and angry at the world.
That would not stop what happened yesterday


If the guy had been treated correctly, or even been diagnosed correctly, it would have stopped everything.

It would have stopped columbine, Virginia Tech, the Mall shooting, Aurora, and the shooting on Tuesday.
It is probably impossible to detect these signs for some of these illness unless the person themselves seeks help

  • 12.15.2012 11:39 AM PDT

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Posted by: Modern Designer

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
Posted by: silversleek 117

Posted by: shadowknight566
1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.

Since when does an assault rifle have to be fully automatic? Just because it can be semi automatic doesn't mean its not an assault rifle.
Being select fire for F/A and S/A is kind of the defining characteristic for defining an assault rifle.

  • 12.15.2012 11:39 AM PDT

Key

No. That's just stupid. I'm a flaming lib and I don't agree with this sentiment in the slightest. Stricter regulations in respect to a psychological test to accompany the background test and getting rid of gun show loopholes, sure. But getting rid of them outright? That would go over about as well as the Prohibition Era.

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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Since the invention of the German Sturmgewehr 44. An assault rifle must have select-fire capabilities (burst- or fully-automatic firing modes) and fire a rifle round. They were designed to bridge the gap between submachine guns, like the MP40, and service rifles, like the Kar 98k. They give soldiers the firing rate of a submachine gun, making them handy for CQB, while maintaining the ballistic advantage rifles have over pistol caliber submachine guns.

Just because something is magazine fed and has an adjustable stock, like the AR-15, does not mean it's an assault rifle. Many modern sporting rifles have ergonomic and aesthetic features similar to military rifles. Why? Because the collapsible stock make it possible to adjust it to your build. The magazine makes it easier and more reliable to feed. The coatings and materials make it mire durable. However, it is functionally identical to any other semi-automatic rifle, like the M1 Garand, which is a rifle, not an assault rifle.

Please stop believing what the media tells you and read the facts on the classifications, specifications, and legal status on different types of firearms.
Posted by: Modern Designer

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
The weapon he had in his trunk, unless I misunderstood the story, was not an assault rifle. Assault rifles have to have fully-automatic capabilities. Semi-automatic civilian variants, like the AR-15, are not any different functionally from a semi-automatic hunting rifle. They lack the disconnector and sear that is required for fully-automatic or burst-fire modes.

A civilian AR or AK variant is just a magazine-fed, semi-automatic, centerfire rifle. In fact, their ballistic performance is actually much less impressive than most hunting rifles.
Posted by: silversleek 117

Posted by: shadowknight566
1. The gunman used a pistol, not an assault rifle


The gunman had 4 guns, 2 pistols and an assault rifle, and another gun in his car.


Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
There is no such thing as a sniper rifle. They're functionally identical to hunting rifles. A "sniper rifle" is really just a precision rifle with a high-powered scope. It's not any more deadly than its hunting counterparts. Most "sniper rifles" are based on hunting rifles. The M40 is based in the Remington 700 action. FN's precision rifles are based on the Winchester Model 70 action.


huh, you learn something new everyday i guess.

Since when does an assault rifle have to be fully automatic? Just because it can be semi automatic doesn't mean its not an assault rifle.

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Posted by: lightlamp2

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Posted by: lightlamp2
This will keep happening then. I like how you just give up so easily for something as serious as school shootings They. Should. Not. Happen. And there is nothing you can do about it? Why? Is it because of "muh gun rights" face it a lot of this is caused by your (and many others) love of guns for some -blam!- up reason


They will keep happening with the ban, people will have less security, the government will lose income with taxes. I'm not giving up, and I'm not saying the things should happen. I'm saying don't focus on the guns, focus on the people. I like guns because it's something I can have fun with others doing. I love going out and shooting targets. I don't even hunt for Christ's sake, and you paint me and others as f'd up.

You are truly ignorant.
You are the ignorant one here because your love of shooting targets is more important than stopping school shootings apparently.

How many school shootings happen a year?
Too many

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Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn
We are really doing all we can.Better education and earlier responses is probably the only thing we can add.




>Better Education
>Faster Respones
>Not doing something
>Not focusing on people

*facepalm*

  • 12.15.2012 11:40 AM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn

Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: HWJohn
We are really doing all we can.Better education and earlier responses is probably the only thing we can add.




>Better Education
>Faster Respones
>Not doing something
>Not focusing on people

*facepalm*
That is pretty much nothing because shootings would happen. That is not all you can do. If it means giving up your right to shoot targets so that these shootings stop then so be it

  • 12.15.2012 11:42 AM PDT
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Posted by: HWJohn

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Hidden crime rate is everywhere, no matter if they are many or few. Even the countries that have more guns also have hidden crime rate. Your logic is terribly flawed.


I'm just stating that pulling the gun death rate is not good evidence due to hidden crime rate. It's not flawed at the slightest.

How is it not flawed when you comepare countries side by side per inhabitant? Yes it is flawed because hidden crime rate is a constant that is pretty much the same for all countries.

Crime does'nt ciece to exsist, it goes down - by a bit. That's what I'm saying. Still deaths with other "weapons" are lower in "some" countries with gun control.

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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

Yes, it does. Select-fire capabilities and a rifle caliber are what defines an assault rifle as an assault rifle. And, the heat will not break the gun. It will wear it out faster, but an assault rifle can fire several hundred rounds in minutes without breaking.
Posted by: Modern Designer

Posted by: ErranInfigo
A fully automatic M4 or M16 can empty it's entire magazine in less than a second if you lay on the trigger, That is 30 rounds flying in one direction in less than a second. I'd say that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a semi automatic AR15 that can't shoot a military grade round without modifications to the upper receiver.

You're reading comprehension is terrible. And an M4/M16 cannot empty a magazine in less than a second. The heat would probably make the rifle useless at that point. I never said they weren't more dangerous, it just doesn't remove them from the category of assault rifles.

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Posted by: Modern Designer

Posted by: ErranInfigo
A fully automatic M4 or M16 can empty it's entire magazine in less than a second if you lay on the trigger, That is 30 rounds flying in one direction in less than a second. I'd say that is a hell of a lot more dangerous than a semi automatic AR15 that can't shoot a military grade round without modifications to the upper receiver.

You're reading comprehension is terrible. And an M4/M16 cannot empty a magazine in less than a second. The heat would probably make the rifle useless at that point. I never said they weren't more dangerous, it just doesn't remove them from the category of assault rifles.


I never said it was a good idea to do it, it just can.

and it's actually one second.

But regardless, the M4 and M4A1 are both select fire weapons that classify as assault rifles. The AR15 is a simple civilian carbine variant of the M16A1.

  • 12.15.2012 11:43 AM PDT

I spent 90% of my money on women and drink. The rest I wasted.

Ní thagann ciall roimh aois.

Gach rud mo creideamh ea etfilu Dia.

There are a bunch of fat people in the US as well. Should we ban spoons and forks now for making those people fat?

  • 12.15.2012 11:43 AM PDT