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Subject: Defenses to Prevent School Shootings

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In light of recent events, my friends and I were discussing methods to prevent such tragedies. Of course, everyone argues the whole gun control vs. population mental illness line of thought, but (On a bit of a tangent) what about setting up schools to defend against an attacker?

First off, when I say defend, I mean non-lethal methods. If we can't curb the shootings, might as well defend ourselves. My high school, for instance, holds over 4,000 students, and I have no doubt if someone wanted to they could kill hundreds because of the absurd population density. So, what if the school could actively prevent attackers?

Right now, we have lock down mode where every student retreats into class and lights are shut off and doors are locked. However, a shooter still has access to the entire school. My high school has gates that drop down from the ceiling at night, why not use those to automatically compartmentalize the school? The shooter would have restricted mobility, and if used correctly could be denied access to the majority of the student body. This would also allow police to evacuate students from the sealed off sections and they would be better prepared to engage the shooter. Now these gates wouldn't drop until students were already in the classrooms as stranding kids in the hall would be terrible.

Secondly, and this is where non-lethal defenses come into play, why not use riot control methods to subdue an attacker? I could see an automated machine on the roof that would utilize the high pitch alarms used to stun. There's also the microwave dishes that cause a burning sensation. There's also lasers that flash the shooter in the eyes so he cannot see. I know it seems like an impractical stretch, but these turrets could subdue the shooter entirely and prevent him from reaching any population body. Even outside of a shooter, defenses like these could break up violent fights that break out.

I put these suggestions out there as entirely speculative and in no way a true concrete suggestion. What are your thoughts, flood? Would it be possible to provide non-lethal defenses for large schools (Or all schools) so that shooters cannot access student bodies, or be entirely subdued?

  • 12.15.2012 11:23 AM PDT
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Schools can barely afford teachers as it is, I don't see turret defenses as a viable option...

  • 12.15.2012 11:25 AM PDT

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A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.


They say that the guy was a loner who liked video games which is like 90% of the internet.

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We had a lockdown at my high school because some thug got shot in the face when he was getting off the bus down the street. Was stuck on a Friday until 5:30 what a waste of time.

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  • 12.15.2012 11:28 AM PDT

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.

Seriously?
Yes, seriously.

Its idiotic to think building castes with autoturrets as the best way to protect our kids from psychos on a rampage.

I'll have you know that this type of a tragedy is pretty new. Sure, some did happen, but no where near the frequency they happen now.

So, we can arm everyone and live in castles, driving our kids to school in tanks, handing them over to armed teachers to be taught in bullet proof sanctuaries, or we can find the cause of what sets these guys off and cure it there.

My way seems a little less ludicrous.

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.


They say that the guy was a loner who liked video games which is like 90% of the internet.


The shooter's brother liked mass effect on facebook, nothing else has been confirmed by the police investigation.

These shootings always have preliminory causes, in most cases extreme mental instablity.

  • 12.15.2012 11:38 AM PDT

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If someone really wanted to plan things out properly, right after 7th period, if they came up to the building, pressed the buzzer to be let in, looked inconspicuous enough, and caught everyone changing classes right in the middle of my school where there's a "fork in the road" of sorts and so everyone is always clumped together not able to get through... they could easily kill 50 people before someone could do anything to them.

I would say metal detectors but it'd be too difficult to implement at a school with several viable entrances and an endless amount of backdoors that are accessible by nearly everyone.

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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.


While I agree, I still think a little fortification wouldn't hurt. Stronger doors and non-lethal tools that a teacher could use would be great. The issue is preventing kids from accessing those tools, however I think that is possible.

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I'd like to see better education and mental healthcare as the first step in preventing these tragedies. If we can detect and help the people who are mentally disturbed early, we can prevent them from "spiraling downward" and help them get to a proper frame of mind, rather than just leaving them to snap and commit an atrocity.

  • 12.15.2012 11:52 AM PDT
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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.
While I agree, I still think a little fortification wouldn't hurt. Stronger doors and non-lethal tools that a teacher could use would be great. The issue is preventing kids from accessing those tools, however I think that is possible.
During a situation like this, a teacher's only responsibility should be in protecting the students, not trying to go rambo and taking a heavily armed person out. Let the security/police do their jobs.

  • 12.15.2012 11:53 AM PDT

So you want to make schools like dominion bases from Halo 4?

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That would be really cool if schools had century guns so they could swiss cheese any bad guys. That would rule.

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Posted by: A Deaf Boy
Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
A better idea is to look at the type of person who goes on rampages, and then do what we can to prevent them from coming to be. Its not as exciting as building armed fortresses to protect kids, but its more effective and cheaper.
While I agree, I still think a little fortification wouldn't hurt. Stronger doors and non-lethal tools that a teacher could use would be great. The issue is preventing kids from accessing those tools, however I think that is possible.
During a situation like this, a teacher's only responsibility should be in protecting the students, not trying to go rambo and taking a heavily armed person out. Let the security/police do their jobs.

Never said the teacher should go Rambo. It's for when the assailant decides to perhaps go into their classroom and kill people. At least the teacher would have something to use. And I'm talking something that doesn't require much training, if any.

  • 12.15.2012 11:57 AM PDT

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That would be really cool if schools had century guns so they could swiss cheese any bad guys. That would rule.
What?

  • 12.15.2012 12:01 PM PDT

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Why not just have more secure Fire Doors that completely lock when a lockdown procedure is in place. Then the offender would be stuck in a section of a corridor in the middle of the school.

  • 12.15.2012 12:05 PM PDT


Posted by: TomoK12
Why not just have more secure Fire Doors that completely lock when a lockdown procedure is in place. Then the offender would be stuck in a section of a corridor in the middle of the school.

what if he kills himself in front of a classroom door and/or window?

  • 12.15.2012 12:06 PM PDT

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Posted by: TomoK12
Why not just have more secure Fire Doors that completely lock when a lockdown procedure is in place. Then the offender would be stuck in a section of a corridor in the middle of the school.

what if he kills himself in front of a classroom door and/or window?


Better than the students/teachers.

  • 12.15.2012 12:07 PM PDT

How about gas canisters that activate at the push of a button and incapacitate everyone in the building long enough for SWAT to show up?

  • 12.15.2012 12:08 PM PDT

I have a better idea...


more strict laws on gun ownership

  • 12.15.2012 12:09 PM PDT

Its actually fairly simple to stop.

1. They already had a good security where the person had to be buzzed in.
2. Now every public school is required to have a uniform (so no one wearing all black can get in)
3. When you are buzzed in don't hold it open for anyone behind you. A lot of people do that and it wouldnt surprise me if thats how the kid got in.

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Posted by: YouAreBlinking
That would be really cool if schools had century guns so they could swiss cheese any bad guys. That would rule.
What?
Omg it would be so cool lel

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Posted by: TomoK12
Why not just have more secure Fire Doors that completely lock when a lockdown procedure is in place. Then the offender would be stuck in a section of a corridor in the middle of the school.

what if he kills himself in front of a classroom door and/or window?
Problem solved.

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