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Posted by: lightlamp2
All the victims were shot more than once using a semi automatic

He must of used a lot of ammo


Something like 103 rounds if memory serves.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 1:07 PM PST]

  • 12.15.2012 1:07 PM PDT

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I never see any pro-gun people providing any recommendations that would actually make a difference.

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Yes, you can buy rifles, shotguns, and ammunition at Wal-Mart. See now why guns are so ingrained in our culture and why it's impossible to get rid if them?


[quot]Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle, which is not an assault rifle. It's a magazine-fed, semi-automatic rifle, functionally the same as the Ruger 10-22s sold at Wal-Mart. It is NOT an assault rifle, because it lacks select-fire capabilities.
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[quot]Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
Yet he didn't use an assault rifle. And the gun itself is not responsible for the crime or the amount of deaths incurred. The maniac operating the gun is responsible. Better mental healthcare and education is the key to preventing these tragedies.

Magazine-fed and adjustable stock =/= assault rifle
Fully-automatic or burst-fire chambered for rifle calibers = assault rifle

Why don't you people get this? Most crimes, this one included, are with handguns. Most gun crimes in the US, nearly all of it, is done using a handgun. Rifles and shotguns are rarely used.
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Posted by: Swiftkillswitch3
I hate it when people complain about weapons and yet have never touched one themselves.[/quote]Why does it matter if you have touched one or not?[/quote]
It's difficult to understand how something works if you've never examined it firsthand. Cars, firearms, air conditioning units, etc. If you're ignorant to the factual specifications and operations of a certain mechanism, you really have no grounds for discussion. [/quote]Im pretty sure knowing the in's and out's of how a gun works is not relevant to stopping shootings. All guns kill people. And some are better at shooting multiple people than other guns. mainly assault rifles [/quote][/quote]What kind of gun is a bushmaster? the Newtown medical examiner just said in a press conference that the majority of children murdered were done so by the gunman using the Bushmaster
They sell guns at Walmart? Well you learn something new everyday
I know just getting rid of them would not work. For multiple reasons. I just think action needs to be taken. Whatever that maybe. At the very least to have comfort for the victims family's so parents can feel a little bit more safer sending the children to school

  • 12.15.2012 1:08 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

In skilled hands. However, most of these incidents occur in crowded places by untrained and mentally disturbed people. That makes shotguns a more effective weapon in these incidents. As it stands, most gun-related deaths are from handguns, not shotguns or rifles.

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
No...

14 shells of 12 gauge buckshot would do much more damage to a crowd than 30 rounds of 7.62x39mm.

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Posted by: chronicaddict420
You should use a modern 10 gauge not some ancient relic as an example.


....

Kel-Tec 12 gauge or the AK-103? Which looks worse?


Both are scary!

But tbh the AK is more dangerous in a massacre type setting.



Did not know the ammo capacity was so high... but if that is not mag fed shotgun the AK would be more efficient (:/) in skilled hands) assuming extra magazines.

  • 12.15.2012 1:08 PM PDT

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I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.

  • 12.15.2012 1:11 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

lightlamp2

So, denying a basic right in the Constitution, penalizing the fifty million law-abiding gun owners, and disarming regular people for the sake of giving a few families a false sense of comfort? That's what you're asking for.

If anything is to be done, it needs to be the improvement of mental healthcare to detect and help the mentally disturbed before they get to this point. If he had counseling, or medication, he probably would not have come to this point.

  • 12.15.2012 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
In skilled hands. However, most of these incidents occur in crowded places by untrained and mentally disturbed people. That makes shotguns a more effective weapon in these incidents. As it stands, most gun-related deaths are from handguns, not shotguns or rifles.

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
No...

14 shells of 12 gauge buckshot would do much more damage to a crowd than 30 rounds of 7.62x39mm.

Posted by: chronicaddict420
You should use a modern 10 gauge not some ancient relic as an example.[/quote]

....

Kel-Tec 12 gauge or the AK-103? Which looks worse?[/quote]

Both are scary!

But tbh the AK is more dangerous in a massacre type setting.



Did not know the ammo capacity was so high... but if that is not mag fed shotgun the AK would be more efficient (:/) in skilled hands) assuming extra magazines.


I wonder what the weapon break down is for massacres as opposed to muggings gone wrong and out of hand barfights and what not.

  • 12.15.2012 1:12 PM PDT

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Posted by: Potato Joe
I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.


:/

Not at all a convincing argument.

Tell me some pros of legalizing automatics.

  • 12.15.2012 1:13 PM PDT

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
lightlamp2

So, denying a basic right in the Constitution, penalizing the fifty million law-abiding gun owners, and disarming regular people for the sake of giving a few families a false sense of comfort? That's what you're asking for.

If anything is to be done, it needs to be the improvement of mental healthcare to detect and help the mentally disturbed before they get to this point. If he had counseling, or medication, he probably would not have come to this point.


Agreed.

Guns are not going away in America, not without a civil war.

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
lightlamp2

So, denying a basic right in the Constitution, penalizing the fifty million law-abiding gun owners, and disarming regular people for the sake of giving a few families a false sense of comfort? That's what you're asking for.

If anything is to be done, it needs to be the improvement of mental healthcare to detect and help the mentally disturbed before they get to this point. If he had counseling, or medication, he probably would not have come to this point.
I did say in my post that banning guns altogether would not work. But we don't even know if something will actually be done about this. But It should not be as easy as some maniac picking up guns and bullets driving to a school and killing as many people as possible.

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Rabid anti-gun people aka butthurt Brits.

  • 12.15.2012 1:16 PM PDT

Please do not send me group invites.

The people I dislike the most are the ones who waste their time being angry at each other online instead of working towards some change that would result in fewer people needlessly dying.

Crazy idea, I know.

I'm not anti-gun; I'm anti innocent people being shot.

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Posted by: OdorousLicense3
Rabid anti-gun people aka butthurt Brits.
Yes im butthurt because i don't want school shootings to happen

  • 12.15.2012 1:17 PM PDT

Rabid pro-gun people.

I'm pro-gun, but I find that the majority of pro-gunners usually have no idea what they're talking about. Especially when they say that gun laws need to be more lenient.

  • 12.15.2012 1:18 PM PDT
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For all questions with answers unknown to you, the proper procedure is to assume the answer is peanut butter.

While that may be true, I'm just going to pretend otherwise.

It isn't as simple to purchase firearms as the media makes it seem. Shootings with legally obtained weapons are few and far between. The laws that are in place are adequate. The trouble lies with people.
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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
lightlamp2

So, denying a basic right in the Constitution, penalizing the fifty million law-abiding gun owners, and disarming regular people for the sake of giving a few families a false sense of comfort? That's what you're asking for.

If anything is to be done, it needs to be the improvement of mental healthcare to detect and help the mentally disturbed before they get to this point. If he had counseling, or medication, he probably would not have come to this point.
I did say in my post that banning guns altogether would not work. But we don't even know if something will actually be done about this. But It should not be as easy as some maniac picking up guns and bullets driving to a school and killing as many people as possible.

  • 12.15.2012 1:20 PM PDT

Both it's ridiculous. If you don't want to get shot then that's your problem.

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Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
It isn't as simple to purchase firearms as the media makes it seem. Shootings with legally obtained weapons are few and far between. The laws that are in place are adequate. The trouble lies with people.
Posted by: lightlamp2

Posted by: SmD x MaYHeM x
lightlamp2

So, denying a basic right in the Constitution, penalizing the fifty million law-abiding gun owners, and disarming regular people for the sake of giving a few families a false sense of comfort? That's what you're asking for.

If anything is to be done, it needs to be the improvement of mental healthcare to detect and help the mentally disturbed before they get to this point. If he had counseling, or medication, he probably would not have come to this point.
I did say in my post that banning guns altogether would not work. But we don't even know if something will actually be done about this. But It should not be as easy as some maniac picking up guns and bullets driving to a school and killing as many people as possible.


This not the most legit site, but it says 3/4s were legally obtained.

Gun laws right now are obscenely lax due to the NRA and lobying.

  • 12.15.2012 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe
I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.


:/

Not at all a convincing argument.

Tell me some pros of legalizing automatics.


First of all automatics are legal. The pro are that they are fun as hell to shoot and they could quite possibly cut shooting sprees short.

Automatics are very hard to control and use a lot of ammo. If a shooter was using a fully automatic gun, the spree would be over quickly and with few victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZGeRQbNxM Skip to :22

You can see the differences between the accuracy and the control the shooter has between semi and full auto.

  • 12.15.2012 1:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe
I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.


:/

Not at all a convincing argument.

Tell me some pros of legalizing automatics.


First of all automatics are legal. The pro are that they are fun as hell to shoot and they could quite possibly cut shooting sprees short.

Automatics are very hard to control and use a lot of ammo. If a shooter was using a fully automatic gun, the spree would be over quickly and with few victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZGeRQbNxM Skip to :22

You can see the differences between the accuracy and the control the shooter has between semi and full auto.


I am full aware of the legal status of automatic weapons (being legal if made before sometime in the 80's with proper paperwork) but as far as giving shooters a way to spray a large area with bullets in a short amount of time this seems like a very bad idea.

There is literally no upside besides "its fun" and a lot of downsides.

  • 12.15.2012 1:26 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe
I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.


:/

Not at all a convincing argument.

Tell me some pros of legalizing automatics.


First of all automatics are legal. The pro are that they are fun as hell to shoot and they could quite possibly cut shooting sprees short.

Automatics are very hard to control and use a lot of ammo. If a shooter was using a fully automatic gun, the spree would be over quickly and with few victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZGeRQbNxM Skip to :22

You can see the differences between the accuracy and the control the shooter has between semi and full auto.


I am full aware of the legal status of automatic weapons (being legal if made before sometime in the 80's with proper paperwork) but as far as giving shooters a way to spray a large area with bullets in a short amount of time this seems like a very bad idea.

There is literally no upside besides "its fun" and a lot of downsides.

How is less controllable and less accurate not an upside? In a shooting spree would you rather have the killer using a semi-auto with full control and precision picking people off or would you rather have some dumbass with his rifle set to full auto burning through ammo and missing most of his shots?

  • 12.15.2012 1:28 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Potato Joe
I think fully automatic guns should be easier to get and that we should repeal the Hughes Amendment. Even before 1934, machine guns were used to kill very few people.

If anything, a fully automatic used in a shooting spree would net less victims as the gun would be pretty uncontrollable and the shooter would waste much ammo.

With a semi-auto, the shooter is much more accurate and able to target more people.


:/

Not at all a convincing argument.

Tell me some pros of legalizing automatics.


First of all automatics are legal. The pro are that they are fun as hell to shoot and they could quite possibly cut shooting sprees short.

Automatics are very hard to control and use a lot of ammo. If a shooter was using a fully automatic gun, the spree would be over quickly and with few victims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raZGeRQbNxM Skip to :22

You can see the differences between the accuracy and the control the shooter has between semi and full auto.


I am full aware of the legal status of automatic weapons (being legal if made before sometime in the 80's with proper paperwork) but as far as giving shooters a way to spray a large area with bullets in a short amount of time this seems like a very bad idea.

There is literally no upside besides "its fun" and a lot of downsides.

How is less controllable and less accurate not an upside? In a shooting spree would you rather have the killer using a semi-auto with full control and precision picking people off or would you rather have some dumbass with his rifle set to full auto burning through ammo and missing most of his shots?


This is not a military situation with a skilled individual combating few opponents at relatively long ranges, this is a unskilled, mentally unbalanced person unloading into a crowed of civilians from point blank range.


Someone care to back me up on this?

  • 12.15.2012 1:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
This is not a military situation with a skilled individual combating few opponents at relatively long ranges, this is a unskilled, mentally unbalanced person unloading into a crowed of civilians from point blank range.


Someone care to back me up on this?

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2PFY8MNVuY

I can't explain it any clearer. Look how fast he goes through a magazine on full auto and how inaccurate it is. He misses almost every shot and this it at like 10 feet, not long range. This is pretty much as point-blank you can get without people grabbing your gun.

  • 12.15.2012 1:38 PM PDT

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The gun argument is detracting from the larger argument of what is causing shooting rampages. As a society, the US is creating these alienated loners that go on violent rampages that leave a swath of destruction in their wake. This type of mass murder, where there is no real motive behind the act is pretty new.

The gun argument is keeping us away from the more important talk about why our young men are suddenly becoming rampage killers. What makes them alienated, and why are they reacting by getting guns and shooting up schools, theaters, universities etc...?

  • 12.15.2012 1:42 PM PDT

What about rabid anti-gun people with an extensive knowledge on firearms and statistics based around them, and vice versa?

  • 12.15.2012 1:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Potato Joe
Posted by: Makko Mace
This is not a military situation with a skilled individual combating few opponents at relatively long ranges, this is a unskilled, mentally unbalanced person unloading into a crowed of civilians from point blank range.


Someone care to back me up on this?

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2PFY8MNVuY

I can't explain it any clearer. Look how fast he goes through a magazine on full auto and how inaccurate it is. He misses almost every shot and this it at like 10 feet, not long range. This is pretty much as point-blank you can get without people grabbing your gun.


-_____-

Hes not firing bursts like even a semi-knowledgeable individual would, he's--by his own words--trying to imitate Rambo.

In reality it would happen up in a location like this, resulting in this.

  • 12.15.2012 1:46 PM PDT

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