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Subject: Clackamas mall shooting stopped by legally carrying civilian

What are these first person words you speak of?


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Teh puma

Posted by: Makko Mace
Title is somewhat misleading


...How?

It's in Clackamas.

A shooting that was in progress was stopped.


The shooting did end, but not necessarily because of the carrying civilian, had he shot the guy that would be entirely accurate. But for all we know the shooter had already decided to kill himself at that point.

Basically I'm saying you can say he helped end it, but you can't say he stopped it.


Going off of how many armed instances end when the trouble maker is met with resistance, teh puma can say this:

"Nick Meli stopped the shooting from progressing any further. He stopped it."

  • 12.15.2012 1:13 PM PDT
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Yea he stopped a shooting by shooting somebody guns are awesome, see everybody is showing their love for guns buy using them.

Seriously why do you guys have a police force?

  • 12.15.2012 1:16 PM PDT

What are these first person words you speak of?


Posted by: MadMax888
I'm not a professional. I don't know how to implement positive change that would increase prevention of such incidents. That's why we have politicians and lawmakers; that's their job.


You're right. It's obvious you're not a professional. However teh puma doesn't see it as typically troublesome to ask someone to outline/describe what they mean by "prevention" when they intentionally draw away from what is normally looked on as a good act of courage ect.... Those people normally have something to back up their causes, but apparently that is too much to ask?

Yea he stopped a shooting by shooting somebody guns are awesome, see everybody is showing their love for guns buy using them.

Seriously why do you guys have a police force?
The man never fired a shot.

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Posted by: Teh puma

Posted by: MadMax888
I'm not a professional. I don't know how to implement positive change that would increase prevention of such incidents. That's why we have politicians and lawmakers; that's their job.


You're right. It's obvious you're not a professional. However teh puma doesn't see it as typically troublesome to ask someone to outline/describe what they mean by "prevention" when they intentionally draw away from what is normally looked on as a good act of courage ect.... Those people normally have something to back up their causes, but apparently that is too much to ask?
We need proper safety checks to make sure mentally unstable people don't have access to firearms. Logistically, I'm not sure how we could institute that. We also need to have a serious national discussion about access to mental health care. Nobody who is mentally stable shoots up a mall/school/temple/movie theater.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 1:18 PM PST]

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Posted by: Android Spartan
Yea he stopped a shooting by shooting somebody guns are awesome, see everybody is showing their love for guns buy using them.

Seriously why do you guys have a police force?
The shooter shot himself after seeing the armed civilian. Way to read the article.

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Posted by: RigZ Boi
I just can't believe it is the 21st century and a country such as America have their people carrying a gun in a public area if they so wish to because of "muh' rights!".
You act like people in other countries don't do the exact same thing.

Gotta love dem biased opinion.

  • 12.15.2012 1:18 PM PDT

What are these first person words you speak of?


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Teh puma

Posted by: MadMax888
I'm not a professional. I don't know how to implement positive change that would increase prevention of such incidents. That's why we have politicians and lawmakers; that's their job.


You're right. It's obvious you're not a professional. However teh puma doesn't see it as typically troublesome to ask someone to outline/describe what they mean by "prevention" when they intentionally draw away from what is normally looked on as a good act of courage ect.... Those people normally have something to back up their causes, but apparently that is too much to ask?
We need proper safety checks to make sure mentally unstable people don't have access to firearms. Logistically, I'm not sure how we could institute that. We also need to have a serious national discussion about access to mental health care. Nobody who is mentally stable shoots up a mall/school/temple/movie theater.


And teh puma can at least agree with that.

edit: Well look at that, apparently that is already in place.

[Edited on 12.15.2012 1:30 PM PST]

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Posted by: Teh puma

Posted by: NorbergK6
So many shootings are going on now.


Welcome to the "post massacre copy cat storm" effect. This happens almost every damn time. A slight increase in the number of attempted large shootings, along with the media realizing they get more views if they cover similar stories to the biggest recent event.
And don't forget the retarded end of the world effect.

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Posted by: MadMax888
The point is that carrying civilians don't prevent these incidents, they just stop them before more people die.
I'd still say that's a good thing.
Posted by: MadMax888
What we need to work on in our society is prevention, not stopping it once it's already in progress.
There's only so much prevention that can be done. It's good that people out there can actually defend themselves and others once the SHTF.

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Posted by: RigZ Boi
I just can't believe it is the 21st century and a country such as America have their people carrying a gun in a public area if they so wish to because of "muh' rights!". Ridiculous.
You think it's ridiculous that people have the capability to defend themselves, and in this case stopped a madman before he could kill more people?

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Good for him. But the article doesn't say anything about how the gunman acquired the weapons

  • 12.15.2012 1:25 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Teh puma

Posted by: MadMax888
I'm not a professional. I don't know how to implement positive change that would increase prevention of such incidents. That's why we have politicians and lawmakers; that's their job.


You're right. It's obvious you're not a professional. However teh puma doesn't see it as typically troublesome to ask someone to outline/describe what they mean by "prevention" when they intentionally draw away from what is normally looked on as a good act of courage ect.... Those people normally have something to back up their causes, but apparently that is too much to ask?
We need proper safety checks to make sure mentally unstable people don't have access to firearms. Logistically, I'm not sure how we could institute that. We also need to have a serious national discussion about access to mental health care. Nobody who is mentally stable shoots up a mall/school/temple/movie theater.
sounds like most people talking about regualtion need to see a 4473.

people who are mental patients/involuntarily committed are red flagged in NICS and not able to buy guns.

  • 12.15.2012 1:29 PM PDT


Posted by: Garland
Posted by: RigZ Boi
I just can't believe it is the 21st century and a country such as America have their people carrying a gun in a public area if they so wish to because of "muh' rights!". Ridiculous.
You think it's ridiculous that people have the capability to defend themselves, and in this case stopped a madman before he could kill more people?

Yeah they shoulda had to wait for police.

  • 12.15.2012 1:29 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Beyond hope

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Unfortunately, I don't think this story is going to get the coverage it deserves.


Of course not, When any US gun owner stops a crime he gets 15 minutes on the local news, But when some insane person goes on a rampage the national news talks about gun control for weeks...

I also hate how journalist think everything is an "Assault weapon"
and every rifle is "an AK-47".

and every pistol is a "glock brand desert eagle".

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Also: For anyone that doesn't know what an "Assault Weapon" is check out This video.

Also.

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Posted by: Modern Designer
This is why I support open carry. It's all about putting the bullet in the bad guy.


I myself favor concealed carry, But we're on the same team.

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Posted by: Modern Designer
This is why I support open carry. It's all about putting the bullet in the bad guy.

The armed civilian didn't shoot anyone.

  • 12.15.2012 1:36 PM PDT

Two of my friends were in the mall when the shooting started. Luckily they got out alive.

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Modern Designer
This is why I support open carry. It's all about putting the bullet in the bad guy.

The armed civilian didn't shoot anyone.


Not in the OP's article, but there have been other times where CCW holders have killed criminals.

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Posted by: MadMax888
Posted by: Modern Designer
This is why I support open carry. It's all about putting the bullet in the bad guy.

The armed civilian didn't shoot anyone.
It's rare that armed civilians have to fire in self-defense; most criminals give up once they find out their intended victim has a gun.

  • 12.15.2012 1:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: NorbergK6
So many shootings are going on now.


Shootings happen more than 10 times a day, the media is just paying more attention to them so they can say, "see, guns are bad!"

  • 12.15.2012 1:40 PM PDT

so you want a source?


try this

true story


Posted by: Garland
Posted by: MadMax888
Posted by: Modern Designer
This is why I support open carry. It's all about putting the bullet in the bad guy.

The armed civilian didn't shoot anyone.
It's rare that armed civilians have to fire in self-defense; most criminals give up once they find out their intended victim has a gun.
yep. also, Kellerman study was debunked.

he didn't include data he said he did because of a personal anti-gun bias...deflating the "unfavorable" results by a factor of 1000.

  • 12.15.2012 1:42 PM PDT

Why don't we just share the hill?

I wouldn't say he stopped it, he did help though.

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Posted by: MadMax888
The point is that carrying civilians don't prevent these incidents, they just stop them before more people die.

What we need to work on in our society is prevention, not stopping it once it's already in progress.
^^^^^^^


A topic in which pro-gun people offer no insight.

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