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Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
It is an undeniable fact that young white males are the overwhelming perpetrators of rampage shootings. It's a fact.

When we can stop being such idiots about this we can finally start talking about why and do something about it.
I feel like this needs reiteration.

  • 12.15.2012 3:21 PM PDT
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Yup.


Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.

  • 12.15.2012 3:22 PM PDT

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Posted by: Snake Plissken

Posted by: MyNameIsCharlie
It is an undeniable fact that young white males are the overwhelming perpetrators of rampage shootings. It's a fact.

When we can stop being such idiots about this we can finally start talking about why and do something about it.
I feel like this needs reiteration.


Thank you.

  • 12.15.2012 3:23 PM PDT
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"The meaning of justice can change from one day to the next. A professional soldier never brings justice into the mission. Politics are fickle, they change with the times. So long as we remain loyal to our countries, soldiers like us need nothing to believe in." - Snake

Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!

  • 12.15.2012 3:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.

  • 12.15.2012 3:24 PM PDT

If we disagree, it's nothing personal, opinions are opinions.
Antagonizing me to build a false sense of worth is so damn cute.

Brighten your day with science.

We should ban babies.

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Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.
Individual white people are racist. Individual black people are racist. No race is racist.
Please, stay on topic from now on, this has the potential to cause some interesting discussion.

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Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.


And the amount of crime committed by young black males is higher then any other race.

Just because there is a certain group that does something disproportionally to their population doesn't mean that there is anything that can easily be done to stop it.

  • 12.15.2012 3:29 PM PDT

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Posted by: Snake Plissken

Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.
Individual white people are racist. Individual black people are racist. No race is racist.
Please, stay on topic from now on, this has the potential to cause some interesting discussion.


This is interesting indeed! I do not mind if you wish to discuss it here.

  • 12.15.2012 3:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.


And the amount of crime committed by young black males is higher then any other race.

Just because there is a certain group that does something disproportionally to their population doesn't mean that there is anything that can easily be done to stop it.


But there are plenty of known socio-economic factors involved with the black crime rate, with the white shooter epidemic the causes are no where near as well understood.

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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.


And the amount of crime committed by young black males is higher then any other race.

Just because there is a certain group that does something disproportionally to their population doesn't mean that there is anything that can easily be done to stop it.
I don't think OP is saying that - Just asking why this is. And before someone says "But why do black people commit so much more crime?" Yes, that is also a completely valid question, but not what we are discussing.

  • 12.15.2012 3:34 PM PDT
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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.


And the amount of crime committed by young black males is higher then any other race.

Just because there is a certain group that does something disproportionally to their population doesn't mean that there is anything that can easily be done to stop it.


But there are plenty of known socio-economic factors involved with the black crime rate, with the white shooter epidemic the causes are no where near as well understood.


Lets not forget This and this guy

I really think it just comes down to mental people wanting to die, and take as many people with them as possible.

Couple that with the fact that the media gives them eternal infamy and you get mass shootings.

  • 12.15.2012 3:36 PM PDT
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Yup.


Posted by: Snake Plissken

Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.
Individual white people are racist. Individual black people are racist. No race is racist.
Please, stay on topic from now on, this has the potential to cause some interesting discussion.


Facts are facts, it's a problem when excuses are made for these crimes. That's all I'm saying. These numbers are never brought up in the media because it would go against the narrative of the evil white man oppressing the innocent non-white.

^see? someone's doing it already. The socio-economic excuse is the most common, but evidence is almost never provided to show that poor whites and poor asians have high homicide offender rates like blacks do.

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  • 12.15.2012 3:37 PM PDT

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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Beyond hope
Get this: the majority of people in the US are white!


The amount of white shooters is higher than it should be based on population.


And the amount of crime committed by young black males is higher then any other race.

Just because there is a certain group that does something disproportionally to their population doesn't mean that there is anything that can easily be done to stop it.


But there are plenty of known socio-economic factors involved with the black crime rate, with the white shooter epidemic the causes are no where near as well understood.


Lets not forget This and this guy

I really think it just comes down to mental people wanting to die, and take as many people with them as possible.

Couple that with the fact that the media gives them eternal infamy and you get mass shootings.


I said overwhelming majority, not "every single case ever"

See for yourself, go do some research.

The question still stands, why are young white males the main perpetrators of such massacres?

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Posted by: FloodPsychologis
Facts are facts, it's a problem when excuses are made for these crimes. That's all I'm saying. These numbers are never brought up in the media because it would go against the narrative of the evil white man oppressing the innocent non-white.
And I agree with you, but I think you run the risk of dramatising the situation to the point where the opposite is true - People should simply point out facts as they are, without fanfare, or drawing unnecessary assumptions from them. If we suddenly start going the other way we run the very real risk of going back to the bad old days when it was the savage black man terrorising the white man. It's a balancing act.

  • 12.15.2012 3:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.
Individual white people are racist. Individual black people are racist. No race is racist.
Please, stay on topic from now on, this has the potential to cause some interesting discussion.


Facts are facts, it's a problem when excuses are made for these crimes. That's all I'm saying. These numbers are never brought up in the media because it would go against the narrative of the evil white man oppressing the innocent non-white.

^see? someone's doing it already. The socio-economic excuse is the most common, but evidence is almost never provided to show that poor whites and poor asians have high homicide offender rates like blacks do.


Hey now, I used those as examples of factors that contribute, where as with the actual topic we have very few, if any.

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Posted by: Makko Mace
I said overwhelming majority, not "every single case ever"

See for yourself, go do some research.

The question still stands, why are young white males the main perpetrators of such massacres?


I know the stats, and in my opinion There haven't been enough "Mass Shootings" to declare that white males have some inert predisposition to commit these events.

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Until Anders destroyed his record.
We're talking about the US.

  • 12.15.2012 3:44 PM PDT

Gather around the campfire, once it goes out, it's out for good.

Usually casual murderers tend to be young African American males, while psychologically troubled ones tend to be privileged Caucasians, probably displaying some sort of signs of why superior medical and financial quality of life does not substitute for mental and emotional quality.

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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace
I said overwhelming majority, not "every single case ever"

See for yourself, go do some research.

The question still stands, why are young white males the main perpetrators of such massacres?


I know the stats, and in my opinion There haven't been enough "Mass Shootings" to declare that white males have some inert predisposition to commit these events.


Then find evidence to back up your claim, the burden of proof rests on your shoulders as it commonly accepted in this thread that I have made an accurate observation.

It is entirely possible I am wrong, but it is up to you to demonstrate it.

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Posted by: Beyond hope

Posted by: Makko Mace
I said overwhelming majority, not "every single case ever"

See for yourself, go do some research.

The question still stands, why are young white males the main perpetrators of such massacres?


I know the stats, and in my opinion There haven't been enough "Mass Shootings" to declare that white males have some inert predisposition to commit these events.
At least 2 a year for the past 30 years not enough data for you?

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They always seem to be the alienated ones... I've never seen someone of another race that's not white as an ostracized loner. They are also a larger part of the pop. so that it explains it also.

  • 12.15.2012 3:45 PM PDT
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Yup.


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Posted by: FloodPsychologis

Posted by: Snake Plissken

Neat-o. Thanks for backing up your statement. So, remind me again, what exactly does that prove? You stated a fact and presented the evidence. In the same way, OP stated a fact and the evidence is apparent - Just you made a statement about blacks, and him about whites.


No problem. I want white people to know about these crimes and to stop feeling guilty about "racism" and erase the idea that we should feel sorry for them. Because they are the ones being racist to us.

How can people say WE are racist towards them when black people are 250 times more likely to commit violence against us than we are to them? It sounds like they need diversity training.
Individual white people are racist. Individual black people are racist. No race is racist.
Please, stay on topic from now on, this has the potential to cause some interesting discussion.


Facts are facts, it's a problem when excuses are made for these crimes. That's all I'm saying. These numbers are never brought up in the media because it would go against the narrative of the evil white man oppressing the innocent non-white.

^see? someone's doing it already. The socio-economic excuse is the most common, but evidence is almost never provided to show that poor whites and poor asians have high homicide offender rates like blacks do.


Hey now, I used those as examples of factors that contribute, where as with the actual topic we have very few, if any.


But there isn't evidence to support it. That's my problem with the socio-economic theory. Poor Asians don't have this type of criminality.

On the main topic, don't these white males tend to be lonesome? That probably is the reason for some of it, in other cases, probably mental issues, but I'm not an expert in that.

  • 12.15.2012 3:46 PM PDT

We either go all out or do nothing at all.

Can't just do it once. We have to binge or abstain.

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