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Posted by: SpartanMk18
I've read the article, trust me.

Also, a watergun? Seriously? A big bright watergun. Yeah, that will stop an active shooter.

You people are always -blam!-ing about discretion of pulling the trigger. That having a conceal weapon will just lead to trouble.

In this incident someone used discretion before pulling the trigger and you believe it's the wrong thing to do.

Make up your -blam!- minds, or just stop talking about something you have no understanding of.

So somebody had a gun, decided not to use it, and you're heralding him as a hero. He didn't kill the shooter, but he's still a hero for not shooting something he shouldn't have.

And trust me. I think my rank in Battlefield 3 enables me to have every right to talk about guns. -_- Just kidding. But still. You don't have to be a gun researcher to connect the dots and conclude that Americans really don't need guns.


Posted by: SpartanMk18
Also, a watergun? Seriously? A big bright watergun. Yeah, that will stop an active shooter.

It won't, but neither did that guy in your article you linked. He technically did nothing, bringing me back to my point, i could've had a watergun and be named a hero.

  • 12.15.2012 6:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: Erla N
Yah, law enforcement will protect us. Just like it protected all those kids. Teachers need to carry guns in my opinion.
I think we should just have security guards that carry weapons.

  • 12.15.2012 6:47 PM PDT

I know you are but what am I?

It's like the OP thinks that outlawing guns will make them disappear.

That's not the case. Especially not in America.

  • 12.15.2012 6:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: BuzzKill9009
China and America are totally different

one we have something called the second amendment


Yes absolutely. So what? They created that back when there was no law enforcement and bears were very prominent. Now people are beginning to kill each other with their high tech guns, and it's time we start to change. It's been 300 years. Things change.
Guess what, wildlife is still a problem for those of us in the country, traps work but when you need to kill an animal "right now" you need a gun.

Things have changed, there are now a lot more people here who don't value human life, and instead of working out their issues they cast the blame on literally anything they can.


WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood. IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts.

  • 12.15.2012 6:48 PM PDT


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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
the Batman shootings

Batman had nothing to do with it.


hahaha. lol well.. you know what I mean.

  • 12.15.2012 6:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Devastation182
...So your grand plan is to wait 70 years?


Either wait, or have some police man come probing through your underwear to find a weapon. Your choice.

  • 12.15.2012 6:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Shadow Rayzor

Posted by: Rayzor1995

Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Posted by: BuzzKill9009
China and America are totally different

one we have something called the second amendment


Yes absolutely. So what? They created that back when there was no law enforcement and bears were very prominent. Now people are beginning to kill each other with their high tech guns, and it's time we start to change. It's been 300 years. Things change.
Guess what, wildlife is still a problem for those of us in the country, traps work but when you need to kill an animal "right now" you need a gun.

Things have changed, there are now a lot more people here who don't value human life, and instead of working out their issues they cast the blame on literally anything they can.


WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood. IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts.


And if you read your history text books, you'd know that the second amendment is in place to allow civilians to fight back if the US government became too oppressive.

  • 12.15.2012 6:49 PM PDT

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The difference (Besides Freedom, 2nd Amendment, 'Murica! ) is that minor gangs have TONS of guns. Mexican Cartels can easily bring guns over the borders. Hell, if I went 20 minutes west to the city I live near, I could probably get an assault rifle for a hundred bucks. Seriously, Illegal guns are everywhere and cheap. Banning them won't do jack. People who want a gun are going to get them. I'd prefer to have a gun to protect myself. What we need to be focusing on right now is fixing the mental health system so we can identify and act faster on these crazy people.

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  • 12.15.2012 6:50 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

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Posted by: Erla N
Yah, law enforcement will protect us. Just like it protected all those kids. Teachers need to carry guns in my opinion.
I think we should just have security guards that carry weapons.
I see people on this forum going on about how law enforcement can't protect them and how you should get rid of law enforcement so you can take the law into your own hands or some bull-blam!- like that.


Here's an alternative: get better bloody law enforcement. If they're not doing an adequate job, you fix the problem. You make it better.

  • 12.15.2012 6:50 PM PDT


Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood. IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts.

Holy -blam!- everyone OP's state represents the whole country. Damn OP I am so glad everyone doesn't have to deal with animals like you. In that case we should ban all guns like the OP says. /sarcasm

  • 12.15.2012 6:51 PM PDT


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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
However, the thing is, it would cost a lot of money to put a decent amount of police in a school. It would also make the students uneasy. What you just said was just simply a terrible idea. No guns, no shooters. No need for police, better work environment.

A decent amount of police what? Do you know anything about this topic at all?


Question my knowledge on this topic will you? Interesting. Rather than formulating a counter-argument, you call me stupid and call it day. Very interesting.

The guy above me, I forgot his name and I think it might be you, said that they should have police in the school to stop these criminals.

I said that costs money. So I'm not sure what you're asking.

  • 12.15.2012 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
We don't need guns. We really don't.
Armed civilians prevent 2 to 7 times more crimes than they cause.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Law enforcement is perfectly capable of protecting us
Then explain to my this country has such a horrendous problem with gangs. Or why police were unable to stop these massacres.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
and the black market is hard to access.
Yeah, just like with drugs. . . oh wait.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Out of a 100 people who have guns, I would say this. 70 of them just put the gun in their cabinet and leave it there as a safeguard. That's ok. 20 of them flaunt it around and threaten people who tick them off that they have a gun. And 10 people are willing to shoot anybody that is in their way.
You're just making things up. The actual statistics don't reflect this at all.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
We can't take that 30% chance.
30%? LOL, quit pulling numbers out of your ass. The odds are far, far, far lower than that.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
End gun possesion, and school SHOOTINGS won't happen.
All of these recent shootings--schools, the Aurora theatre, that mall--took place in "gun free zones." You know why? Because the shooter is guaranteed that there won't be any armed civilians there that can stop him.
Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Besides, every school has that one really buff tech teacher to thwart the occasional stabber.
And with that, you couldn't make it any more apparent that you're trolling.

Good day.

  • 12.15.2012 6:52 PM PDT
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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: DE4THINC4RN4TE
The difference (Besides Freedom, 2nd Amendment, 'Murica! ) is that minor gangs have TONS of guns. Mexican Cartels can easily bring guns over the borders. Hell, if I went 20 minutes west to the city I live near, I could probably get an assault rifle for a hundred bucks. Seriously, Illegal guns are everywhere and cheap. Banning them won't do jack. People who want a gun are going to get them. I'd prefer to have a gun to protect myself. What we need to be focusing on right now is fixing the mental health system so we can identify and act faster on these crazy people.
Here's a thought:

Your military is finished in Afghanistan and Iraq now, right? But you have this big issue of border enforcement in the south. You take your military, and then you stop the cartels.

That, or get a better police force to do it instead.

  • 12.15.2012 6:52 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
I see people on this forum going on about how law enforcement can't protect them and how you should get rid of law enforcement so you can take the law into your own hands or some bull-blam!- like that.

Erm I don't think anyone's been advocating vigilante justice, members have just been talking about how it takes the police time to reach the site of a mass shooting, during which more people could be killed. So unless we somehow gain a police force made up of people who can teleport, they have a point.

  • 12.15.2012 6:53 PM PDT

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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob

Posted by: Shadow Rayzor

Posted by: Rayzor1995

Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Posted by: BuzzKill9009
China and America are totally different

one we have something called the second amendment


Yes absolutely. So what? They created that back when there was no law enforcement and bears were very prominent. Now people are beginning to kill each other with their high tech guns, and it's time we start to change. It's been 300 years. Things change.
Guess what, wildlife is still a problem for those of us in the country, traps work but when you need to kill an animal "right now" you need a gun.

Things have changed, there are now a lot more people here who don't value human life, and instead of working out their issues they cast the blame on literally anything they can.


WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-
*Implying that that's my account just because of the name. (Do a name search for "Rayzor" are all of those accounts mine too?)
*Implying that if it was mine that it was made "just to quote myself"
*His join date is '09

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood.Funny how in my "uncivilized neighborhood" I don't have to worry about psychos shooting up malls and schools.

IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts. Yeah... you're an idiot.

  • 12.15.2012 6:53 PM PDT

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  • 12.15.2012 6:53 PM PDT


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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood. IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts.

Holy -blam!- everyone OP's state represents the whole country. Damn OP I am so glad everyone doesn't have to deal with animals like you. In that case we should ban all guns like the OP says. /sarcasm


I'm so glad you finally agree with me. Killing animals with guns requires a different standard. Hunting guns, I believe, are bolt-shot, and require a little bit to load. I don't remember hunters wielding glocks and hand guns shooting deer or wolves. If there ever is a gator or bear that attacks you in either Texas or Alaska, a hunting rifle will suffice. That is ok.

Try bringing a hunting rifle to school. See how many people that takes out. 1? 2? Maybe 3? I don't recall a fully auto-matic hunting rifle, but then again, times are different.

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Posted by: Qbix89
Talking about Sweden is an ultrabannable offense.

Posted by: Achronos
Too bad being completely and utterly wrong isn't a bannable offense.

Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
The guy above me, I forgot his name and I think it might be you, said that they should have police in the school to stop these criminals.

I said that costs money. So I'm not sure what you're asking.
You have a very real problem with crime in America. Your police is not doing an adequate job at preventing all this crime. You get a better police force in order to better prevent crime.

At least this should be an option, instead of doing away with the police completely and handing out weapons.

  • 12.15.2012 6:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Try bringing a hunting rifle to school. See how many people that takes out. 1? 2? Maybe 3? I don't recall a fully auto-matic hunting rifle, but then again, times are different.

The Connecticut shooter used handguns (in fact, the majority of gun murders in the U.S. are by handguns). A hunting rifle would be just as bad.

  • 12.15.2012 6:55 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
At least this should be an option, instead of doing away with the police completely and handing out weapons.

Honestly I'm not sure where you saw people saying we need less police officers.

  • 12.15.2012 6:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Garland
Good day.


So yeah. You'll be back.


Then explain to my this country has such a horrendous problem with gangs. Or why police were unable to stop these massacres.

Because it was a gun free zone?

Wait. A gun free zone means that people don't have guns.. in that zone. If the offender himself didn't have a gun, or his mom didn't have those guns, then this wouldn't have happened.

Those drugs on the street are easy to be sold because they come in tiny bags, or can be hidden. Easy to get, easy to sell.

You can't exactly walk around on the street with a backpack full of Ak-s in downtown Philly and not be noticed.

  • 12.15.2012 6:57 PM PDT


Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
Question my knowledge on this topic will you? Interesting. Rather than formulating a counter-argument, you call me stupid and call it day. Very interesting.

The guy above me, I forgot his name and I think it might be you, said that they should have police in the school to stop these criminals.

I said that costs money. So I'm not sure what you're asking.

All it takes is a single police officer or two and that will solve the problem. The difference between a police officer's salary and a teacher's is minimal. Essentially you saying it costs money is true, but in comparison to what schools already pay for it isn't that much more. Now you can say that that is a lot of money for some schools which I agree since a lot of inner city schools can barely even pay for books/school supplies and even the current teacher's salaries. As for stupid ideas to prevent civilians from having guns is much higher up on the list. As I have already mentioned and you choose to ignore or act like it isn't your problem is guns are important for hunting animals. Though in your OP there is no mention of that which shows ignorance at best instead you decide to make all gun owners out to be killers or people that look at their guns. Then the actual amount of people that get injured/die due to guns compared to how many are out there is extremely small.

  • 12.15.2012 6:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob

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Posted by: MeltingBrainbob
WOW! ARE YOU SERIOUS?! You created another account just to quote yourself?!?! Are you serious?! -_-

And I live in a civilzed neighborhood. IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts.

Holy -blam!- everyone OP's state represents the whole country. Damn OP I am so glad everyone doesn't have to deal with animals like you. In that case we should ban all guns like the OP says. /sarcasm


I'm so glad you finally agree with me. Killing animals with guns requires a different standard. Hunting guns, I believe, are bolt-shot, and require a little bit to load. I don't remember hunters wielding glocks and hand guns shooting deer or wolves. If there ever is a gator or bear that attacks you in either Texas or Alaska, a hunting rifle will suffice. That is ok.

Try bringing a hunting rifle to school. See how many people that takes out. 1? 2? Maybe 3? I don't recall a fully auto-matic hunting rifle, but then again, times are different.
Since when can you only kill an animal with a bolt action rifle?

btw, shot guns, I'd be much more afraid of a shot gun than a semi-auto assault weapon.

  • 12.15.2012 6:58 PM PDT


Posted by: Rayzor1995
IN Maryland, you know. There aren't sasquatches and gorrilas terrorizing me around these parts. Yeah... you're an idiot.


So tell me how in other states where they claim they are being attacked by animals, it isn't idiotic, but when I list a slightly more ridiculous claim, I'm an idiot. Replace those words with bears and .... gators, and you'll get my point. Not everybody gets attacked, and if they do, a hunting rifle would suffice. Not an AK-47 or glock.

  • 12.15.2012 6:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: Garshne
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The difference (Besides Freedom, 2nd Amendment, 'Murica! ) is that minor gangs have TONS of guns. Mexican Cartels can easily bring guns over the borders. Hell, if I went 20 minutes west to the city I live near, I could probably get an assault rifle for a hundred bucks. Seriously, Illegal guns are everywhere and cheap. Banning them won't do jack. People who want a gun are going to get them. I'd prefer to have a gun to protect myself. What we need to be focusing on right now is fixing the mental health system so we can identify and act faster on these crazy people.
Here's a thought:

Your military is finished in Afghanistan and Iraq now, right? But you have this big issue of border enforcement in the south. You take your military, and then you stop the cartels.

That, or get a better police force to do it instead.
Let's send the US military into Mexico. That's such a great idea. Let's do it.

In all seriousness though, the amount of shootings like this is incredibly small. Yes, it's a terrible tragedy, but there were three mass shootings this year. Three. That's less than 1 mass shooter in 100000000 people. Still terrible, but not a reason to remove a constitutional right. Guess what? Most other shootings are related to unlicensed handguns. Illegal weapons.

  • 12.15.2012 7:00 PM PDT