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Subject: Should forum copping be bannable?

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Banned back in 2008 for forum copping and disruption of the forum thread. Don't do it. Let the moderators do their job. It's not ours to do.

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  • 12.16.2012 5:38 PM PDT

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What if someone genuinely doesn't know what they're supposed to discuss? That's not forum copping at all.

  • 12.16.2012 5:42 PM PDT
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If it is disrespectful or hurting the flow of discussion in a thread it is bad. More specifically I would say (in my opinion) that it is great if you point out the correct path for a user posting on the wrong board, but publicly meddling in flaming, post content or other stuff related to the "quality" of a users post is completely uninteresting for anyone but yourself. Keep that stuff in private messages.

  • 12.16.2012 6:15 PM PDT

The way I see it, who cares?

Not to be taken seriously.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 6:33 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 6:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: Forever MS

Posted by: Zanir
No.

All they're doing is trying to help.


How is saying "inb4lock" or "What are we discussing?" trying to help?
Well, in many cases where "What are we discussing?" is being said, it is usually in a thread where the topic of discussion is neither stated nor clear enough to the person posting it. To most accurately guide the discussion to the topic at hand, another member who knows the topic or even the OP himself can answer the question.
You could also argue that in most cases where "inb4lock" is used, that person sarcastically let the OP know that this particular topic of discussion may not be allowed in the first place. In which case, that simple still-not-necessarily-allowed INB4 was a helpful one.

Albeit, neither of those actually really help promote the on topic discussion.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 7:21 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 7:20 PM PDT

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Posted by: Forever MS

Posted by: Mythical Wolf

Posted by: Forever MS

How is saying "inb4lock"

Memes are spam which is bannable.


How can you justify your constant spamming of "So what are we discussing?"

It's spam. Plain and simple. And if you're posting it on threads with no discussion value, you're promoting it and therefore bumping spam threads, which is bannable.
I also acknowledge how it is seen as this. Regardless, we are all guilty of doing something against the rules in one place or another. Spam, flaming, bumping, etc. I don't believe I can easily find one who is exempt. So yes, even you.

  • 12.16.2012 7:28 PM PDT

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I have a buddy who was banned once before for saying inb4 lock.

Has it changed?

[Edited on 12.16.2012 7:38 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 7:37 PM PDT

Posted by: A Fine Turtle
I have a buddy who was banned once before for saying inb4 lock.

Has it changed?

It's considered spam, so it's still bannable.

  • 12.16.2012 8:19 PM PDT

Posted by: Forever MS

Posted by: Zanir
No.

All they're doing is trying to help.


How is saying "inb4lock" or "What are we discussing?" trying to help?


That's not forum copping, that's worthless spam.

  • 12.16.2012 8:26 PM PDT

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Op is mad because someone probably killed one of his threads with this....

  • 12.16.2012 8:28 PM PDT

Hi I'm RT and I like to argue!

Incorrect forum copping already is. That seems far enough to me; forum copping that is egregious in other ways (e.g., spammy, insulting) can be dealt with on that basis.

  • 12.16.2012 8:31 PM PDT

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People who post "inb4ban" tend to give the impression that theyre just trying to be smart asses and arnt very helpful. I dont think its worth a ban, but people who actually explain themselves are the ones who 'play nice'.

  • 12.16.2012 9:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: Zanir
No.

All they're doing is trying to help.

No. Most of the time they're being stuck up asshats.

  • 12.16.2012 10:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Forever MS
"inb4 lock and ban"
"So what are we discussing?"
That isn't forum copping, That's just being stupid.

  • 12.16.2012 10:41 PM PDT

Posted by: Mythical Wolf
Memes are spam which is bannable.
No they're not.

What I find particularly interesting in this thread is the number of things people are labelling as spam. I don't think there's anything wrong with doing that, but the inherent issue is that we the moderators really only define what spam is - you don't have a say in it.

  • 12.16.2012 10:44 PM PDT

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Posted by: Forever MS
What I'm talking about is more about people who go on threads just to post annoying, off-topic things, such as:

"inb4 lock and ban"
"So what are we discussing?"
As everyone has pointed out, this is not forum copping. The user knows that the thread is spam, yet decides to bump it to the top of the forum anyway. This is often more annoying than the thread itself.

Real forum copping can be rather grating if a user's entire post history consists of pointing out rule violations. IMO, there are exceptions. Occasionally a naive user may post a leak, or something they shouldn't be posting for whatever reason. Users may reply and chime in with comments like: "You may want to remove that link, it may get you banned". To me, that's quite helpful to the user, it's helpful to us since we don't have to go editing posts etc.

But saying "This is in the wrong forum" etc. Unlike with the previous example, this isn't going to magically move the thread to the correct forum. In fact, it's just going to bump the thread and keep it around longer. So I would just say, Report and send a PM to the OP if you're really that bothered about it.

If you want to be a good member and a positive example to other users, etc. Just post. Just enjoy the forums. Try to have fun. The forums are here for users to communicate, share thoughts etc. Be an example of a positive contribution to the community, rather than bumping and lecturing the negative.

I don't think forum copping should be a bannable offence however. Not unless there's some widespread epidemic of it. The only issue with it is that it bumps off-topic threads. And not enough people forum-cop for this to be a major problem. If their goal is to show other users how great of a member they are, then they're only hurting themselves anyway.

  • 12.16.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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You know, there wasn't a point in weighing in on this discussion. Everyone else has already said that those things aren't what most consider forum-copping, and are actions that most people already don't like.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:52 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: Mythical Wolf


Memes are spam which is bannable.

If that were true Achronos should have been banned a long time ago.

  • 12.16.2012 10:57 PM PDT

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  • 12.16.2012 11:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Mythical Wolf

Posted by: Forever MS

How is saying "inb4lock"

Memes are spam which is bannable.


Every single mail sack or OP from Bungie has someone shouting "First", which has absolutely no discussion value whatsoever.

I just wish the mods were more universal in their approach. Seems like spammig and memes are okay if thu are on The Septagon and not the Flood.

  • 12.17.2012 12:02 AM PDT
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I don't think the OP knows what Forum copping really is.

I'm getting too old for this website.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 12:12 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 12:11 AM PDT
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Posted by: Rhea
Canada isn't that important that it needs two of the same threads on page one.

I remember one time I told the OP that he posted in the wrong forum politely and I got warned. Either the Mods aren't really the smartest or the rules need revising because I don't see why helping new users out is warnable/banable.

As for forum copping, it's pretty annoying and pointless, which I assume would count as spam.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 12:23 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 12:21 AM PDT

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If my ban/warn history is any indication (if memory serves), I'm pretty sure it is an offense.

So is supplying legitimate answers to questions, by the way. Makes the Mods think you're impersonating employees.

  • 12.17.2012 12:54 AM PDT

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So is supplying legitimate answers to questions, by the way. Makes the Mods think you're impersonating employees.
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  • 12.17.2012 6:39 AM PDT

"What are we discussing?" is a legitimate question. It typically leads to one of two possible outcomes:

1) Somebody clarifies the topic that is to be discussed in a manner that improves upon the original post. If there is legitimate discussion value in the topic, it becomes more clear to everyone and a more focused conversation is able to take place.

2) The OP is forced to admit that no dicussion value was ever intended. In theory, this should declare the topic dead and motivate the OP (and others who have already responded) to try harder in the future to come up with a better topic for discussion.

The unfortunate part is that the second outcome tends to be the more common.

  • 12.17.2012 6:46 AM PDT

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