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  • 12.16.2012 9:22 PM PDT

Posted by: Baph117
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Absolutely nothing. Gaming is casual gaming. Everything else is crap.

  • 12.16.2012 9:23 PM PDT

Posted by: Seggi31
Absolutely nothing. Gaming is casual gaming. Everything else is crap.
Nonsense.

  • 12.16.2012 9:24 PM PDT

Posted by: MajinBuuuu
Halo no longer has that chess kind of approach on it where two teams battle for map control, working together to outplay the other team.Its now a bunch of sugar rushed ten year old's playing soccom boppers at 12:00 AM.

what i dont get is if casuals "play for fun" why play online if playing online is to play competitively,if i wanna have casual fun i'll lock myself in the bathroom with some lotion


[Edited on 12.16.2012 9:30 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 9:30 PM PDT


Posted by: xxinsanegod
what i dont get is if casuals "play for fun" why play online if playing online is to play competitively,if i wanna have casual fun i'll lock myself in the bathroom with some lotion

This this this

Casuals don't play the game the way you are supposed to--to win. They're the lame people during gym class who kinda just chuck the dodgeball in the air for the other team to catch because they think it's fun just to be there.

Or imagine you are playing basketball to win a prize and there's that one guy on your team who just chucks the ball up at the basket from 70 feet away because they think it is fun.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 9:35 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 9:32 PM PDT

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Sounds like you're describing the lower half of my body, actually.

Because those nutjobs think getting into vehicles is a bad idea, even though with a excellent driver they could easily get a killing frenzy. Actually, some of them do get into vehicles but they think trying to ram a warthog into a wraith is a good idea.

  • 12.16.2012 9:36 PM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
There's nothing wrong with casuals.

The problem is that many games these days sacrifice depth and difficulty to cater to casuals. Game Design is a balance. A game should absolutely be designed first and foremost with hardcore gamers in mind, with enough depth and interesting mechanics to keep them engaged, but at the same time, the game must be open and inviting to casuals, and encourage them to invest their time and trascend their own casualness.

If a game doesn't cater to casuals, you have a game like Dark Souls, which is still a beautiful game, but will not have a large fan base because it does not encourage the average joe to invest himself in the game.

If a game caters to casuals too much, then you have an easy game without any depth or substance.

  • 12.16.2012 9:41 PM PDT

Ohai, I'm Loscocco (pronounced Loss-cocoa). I'm a college student (computer science major), 3D animator, and long-time Halo player.

They pressure developers into dumbing down their games so that more people feel comfortable playing it, leaving everyone else with a simplistic and boring game.

  • 12.16.2012 9:45 PM PDT
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Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: Social Deviant
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Being competitive is the only way I can have fun with my video games.

My condolences.


I just dont understand how casuals play.

Can they really just say "I dont even care how I do in this game"?

I mean, I always strive to try and do my best in anything.

We realize that video games are designed as a leisure activity, and treat them as such.

Games, like any work of art, are meant to be experienced. If you spend too much time worrying about how your experience matches up to that of other players you're probably not having fun.

  • 12.16.2012 9:54 PM PDT


Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV
Being competitive is the only way I can have fun with my video games.

My condolences.


I just dont understand how casuals play.

Can they really just say "I dont even care how I do in this game"?

I mean, I always strive to try and do my best in anything.

We realize that video games are designed as a leisure activity, and treat them as such.

Games, like any work of art, are meant to be experienced. If you spend too much time worrying about how your experience matches up to that of other players you're probably not having fun.

Casual video games are leisure play. Online video games are like sports, you play to win and have fun by doing well and winning. You play at your best to try to get better and thus to win more. Casuals should be doing the leisure activity of watching their friend go hard.

  • 12.16.2012 9:57 PM PDT

Nothing.

The only thing wrong with casuals is that there aren't many casual-dedicated online games to play anymore. Halo 3 was probably the last good one. I guess CS:S and TF2 still exist, but consoles are kind of left in the dark in that regard.

  • 12.16.2012 10:00 PM PDT
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Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV
Being competitive is the only way I can have fun with my video games.

My condolences.


I just dont understand how casuals play.

Can they really just say "I dont even care how I do in this game"?

I mean, I always strive to try and do my best in anything.

We realize that video games are designed as a leisure activity, and treat them as such.

Games, like any work of art, are meant to be experienced. If you spend too much time worrying about how your experience matches up to that of other players you're probably not having fun.

Casual video games are leisure play. Online video games are like sports, you play to win and have fun by doing well and winning. You play at your best to try to get better and thus to win more. Casuals should be doing the leisure activity of watching their friend go hard.

Good to know that your opinion is a universal absolute. Who says I'm required to do anything other than find a way to enjoy myself?

  • 12.16.2012 10:01 PM PDT

More awesome than a shark high-fiving a bear during an explosion...IN SPACE.

They're a bunch of dumbs.

  • 12.16.2012 10:09 PM PDT
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I'm a tryhard and a casual. In Halo 3, all I wanted was to get my 50, but every once in a while I loved to play infection with friends. It's just that games recently are trying to make it so anyone can win.

  • 12.16.2012 10:12 PM PDT


Posted by: Social Deviant
Good to know that your opinion is a universal absolute. Who says I'm required to do anything other than find a way to enjoy myself?

I'm glad you formed those implications on your own.

And I'm guessing you don't play many sports or competitive games.

  • 12.16.2012 10:17 PM PDT
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Posted by: Social Deviant
Good to know that your opinion is a universal absolute. Who says I'm required to do anything other than find a way to enjoy myself?

I'm glad you formed those implications on your own.

And I'm guessing you don't play many sports or competitive games.

Online video games are like sports, you play to win and have fun by doing well and winning
Gee wiz, I don't know how I ever came to the conclusion that you were dictating your personal interpretation as fact.

No, I don't. They stopped being fun around the time I turned 18 and the hormones died down.

  • 12.16.2012 10:23 PM PDT

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Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV

Posted by: Social Deviant
Posted by: DatDudeBV
Being competitive is the only way I can have fun with my video games.

My condolences.


I just dont understand how casuals play.

Can they really just say "I dont even care how I do in this game"?

I mean, I always strive to try and do my best in anything.

We realize that video games are designed as a leisure activity, and treat them as such.

Games, like any work of art, are meant to be experienced. If you spend too much time worrying about how your experience matches up to that of other players you're probably not having fun.

Online video games are like sports...


And here lies the problem...

  • 12.17.2012 12:21 AM PDT
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Video games are a type of game, and as such they're prone to different variances of play. People play soccer, chess, Monopoly, etc. casually, and then there's those that like to invest a profound amount of time trying to master the game. Both sets can derive enjoyment and relaxation from playing the game, these attributes aren't exclusive to any one.

Hardcore players get agitated by the industry when it panders to the casual player, because that often means the resulting game cannot be mastered for it already serves. I.e. everyone is its master. Since the developer plays a large role in the relationship between game and player this can often cause hardcore players strife.

Casual games to hardcore players are what fast food is to a food critic or chef; it excites the senses, but it's unwise to consume such things too often, because they lack life-building nutrients and will eventually make you sick. That's not to say only playing casual games will in any way make you sick, but they don't engage the brain like hardcore games do. They're cheap, easy, mind-less entertainment fixes.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 1:12 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 1:08 AM PDT

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Posted by: Wikked Navajoe
My problems [with Reach] are basically just full parties, mlg, and people who go out of their way not to get killed.

Because casuals make up the majority and therefore game developers will appeal to whatever it is that they want. And because they are "casuals" they don't really care what's in the game so long as it brings them instant gratification and the promise it won't hurt their feelings too much by either being a difficult game or telling them that they suck (ranking system).

That's why a lot of people who frequent forums don't like them. They influence the way their games are being made.

  • 12.17.2012 1:11 AM PDT

Posted by: Social Deviant
We realize that video games are designed as a leisure activity, and treat them as such.
We?

Don't kid yourself, you're not a casual, nobody here can speak for them because nobody here is a casual gamer. The simple fact that you created an account on a gaming website shows that you are willing to invest yourselves enough in a game to get over the casual barrier.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 1:15 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 1:14 AM PDT

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Posted by: Hylebos
There's nothing wrong with casuals.

The problem is that many games these days sacrifice depth and difficulty to cater to casuals. Game Design is a balance. A game should absolutely be designed first and foremost with hardcore gamers in mind, with enough depth and interesting mechanics to keep them engaged, but at the same time, the game must be open and inviting to casuals, and encourage them to invest their time and trascend their own casualness.

If a game doesn't cater to casuals, you have a game like Dark Souls, which is still a beautiful game, but will not have a large fan base because it does not encourage the average joe to invest himself in the game.

If a game caters to casuals too much, then you have an easy game without any depth or substance.

  • 12.17.2012 1:14 AM PDT
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What is a casual? Am I a casual because I only play Single Player games and have little interest in Multiplayer?

  • 12.17.2012 1:16 AM PDT

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That was the glory of Halo 3. A full section of playlists for casuals and another section for mor competitive gamers. It was a perfect balance.

  • 12.17.2012 1:18 AM PDT

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  • 12.17.2012 2:05 AM PDT

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All I learnt from this thread is that many people have different, and often erroneous, ideas of what a casual gamer is. They then use the assumptions they've made about a group of people they don't know to make negative stereotypes about them.

Most of you seem to lump mid-core gamers as casual gamers without actually realizing there is a difference. They see it as there are only two types of gamers: hardcore, or competitive, gamers and casual gamers. Which is an exceptionally limited and naive view of the situation.

[Edited on 12.17.2012 2:30 AM PST]

  • 12.17.2012 2:29 AM PDT