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Subject: School Security

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: markwil1992

Posted by: MadMax888
Do you really think being underpaid, with a class overcrowded with uncontrollable children, for hours on end, is the right person to give a gun to?


Appeal to consequences fallacy. You're wrong to presume a teacher will crack because of the examples you just mentioned.


Thank you, also its a fallacy of accident, those odds are much much lower than the alternative.
I have teachers who are terrible at their jobs and hate their students. I don't want them having a goddam gun. Call me crazy, but the teachers of the world are not the smartest or best bunch.

  • 12.16.2012 9:17 PM PDT

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Bullet resistant glass on windows and tight seal doors to prevent any unauthorized entries, cameras, a panic button in every classroom that alerts every first responder agency under the sun.

Just a few things I would do.

  • 12.16.2012 9:17 PM PDT

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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: markwil1992

Posted by: MadMax888
Do you really think being underpaid, with a class overcrowded with uncontrollable children, for hours on end, is the right person to give a gun to?


Appeal to consequences fallacy. You're wrong to presume a teacher will crack because of the examples you just mentioned.


Thank you, also its a fallacy of accident, those odds are much much lower than the alternative.
I have teachers who are terrible at their jobs and hate their students. I don't want them having a goddam gun. Call me crazy, but the teachers of the world are not the smartest or best bunch.


True, however read my post in the "stolen thread" about the safe mechanism.

  • 12.16.2012 9:18 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: Sev808
Bullet resistant glass on windows and tight seal doors to prevent any unauthorized entries, cameras, a panic button in every classroom that alerts every first responder agency under the sun.

Just a few things I would do.
Far more expensive than just stationing an officer. Cameras are already there in most schools. As for a panic button I at least know in my district if the phone is knocked off the hook for longer than 10 seconds if starts transmitting to the office, who then either send up administrators or signal the police. Regardless of any of that, an on duty officer could respond far faster, you can't argue that.

  • 12.16.2012 9:21 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: ankerd123

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Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: ankerd123
Nope. Waste of resources and tax payers money.

Lives saved = money wasted.

ankerd123, you are a good human being.


Oh I see that you think 1 police officer will be right where the gunman is and kill him before he can fire a shot.

The gunmen will know there is one police officer around. Will wait till he is on the other side of the school gun down a class and then suicide or leave.
It would still be better than nothing. The officer could still respond much faster than any other police unit.


lolno
So you think a squad car could get there and get in the school to the right area before the on duty officer could? Really??

Posted by: Seggi31
What the -blam!- is so wrong with your country that you need police in high schools? Christ.
Do I need to link the article about China having officers stationed at all their schools? Are you really going to make this some America thread? They need it so we don't have to call police to the school if an arrest needs to be made, you know something that might frighten parents.



So are you inferring that after the gun man has murdered everyone then commited suicide that the policeman being there is helpful...?

  • 12.16.2012 9:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: RockdaleRooster

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: Makko Mace
Let teachers carry or keep guns in their class room.

/problem solved.[/quote]>4 kids coordinate to each steal their teacher's guns.

>Probably at least 40 people are dead

>lolyupproblemsolved
Yeah..I have to agree. Have you ever lost your keys? I know I have. Imagine if the teacher lost the key to the gun in their drawer...


Keep the gun locked in a drawer with one key and they keep the key to the gun drawer in another drawer and the key to the key drawer on you.
Breaking desks/locks is not hard if you're determined enough.

Also: guns are expensive as -blam!-, and that's a -blam!- load of guns. What about my school? Some teachers don't have one room. They have a cart that they take from classroom to classroom as they move around. Does that teacher get a key to each classroom they go to? So if someone robs one of those teachers, let alone two, they hit the jackpot? Or just one room and then they have to hope they're in there when the school gets invaded? Or is the gun kept locked on the cart? That's not very secure at all.

  • 12.16.2012 9:21 PM PDT

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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: Sev808
Bullet resistant glass on windows and tight seal doors to prevent any unauthorized entries, cameras, a panic button in every classroom that alerts every first responder agency under the sun.

Just a few things I would do.
Far more expensive than just stationing an officer. Cameras are already there in most schools. As for a panic button I at least know in my district if the phone is knocked off the hook for longer than 10 seconds if starts transmitting to the office, who then either send up administrators or signal the police. Regardless of any of that, an on duty officer could respond far faster, you can't argue that.
Incidents like a few days ago should be producing blank checks.

  • 12.16.2012 9:25 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Thank you, also its a fallacy of accident, those odds are much much lower than the alternative.[/quote]I have teachers who are terrible at their jobs and hate their students. I don't want them having a goddam gun. Call me crazy, but the teachers of the world are not the smartest or best bunch.


True, however read my post in the "stolen thread" about the safe mechanism.
I did. What if the office doesn't know? Now the teacher is stuck trying to open a safe they can't open as they are gunned down. Now the killer has ANOTHER gun.

Posted by: ankerd123
So are you inferring that after the gun man has murdered everyone then commited suicide that the policeman being there is helpful...?
You are all very thick headed. Who will get there faster, the officer on duty, or the responding squad car? Yeah. It's also a deterrent, who's going to attack the small school with an on duty officer?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Breaking desks/locks is not hard if you're determined enough.

Also: guns are expensive as -blam!-, and that's a -blam!- load of guns. What about my school? Some teachers don't have one room. They have a cart that they take from classroom to classroom as they move around. Does that teacher get a key to each classroom they go to? So if someone robs one of those teachers, let alone two, they hit the jackpot? Or just one room and then they have to hope they're in there when the school gets invaded? Or is the gun kept locked on the cart? That's not very secure at all.
This. Teachers having guns is unsafe and impractical, especially given the kinds of people who can become teachers. Oh and what about substitute teachers?

  • 12.16.2012 9:26 PM PDT

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why not just cancel the whole educational program and have mandatory draft starting at age 7?

  • 12.16.2012 9:26 PM PDT

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Every post whining about the weekly update delays it by 5 minutes.


Posted by: ArchNinja64
Guns in the hands of responsible civilians (who are the vast majority) saves lives.


Approximately 20 minutes after he had first fired from the observation deck, Whitman began to encounter return fire from both the authorities and armed civilians. It is believed that at this point, Whitman ceased to fire from above the parapet surrounding the observation deck and instead chose to fire through waterspouts located upon each side of the tower walls, allowing him to fire largely protected from gunfire below, but also greatly limiting his range of targets. Ramiro Martinez, an officer who participated in stopping Whitman's rampage, later stated that civilian shooters should also be credited for their actions, as the return fire made it difficult for Whitman to take careful aim.[citation needed] Police sharpshooter Marion Lee reported from a small airplane upon which he had been deployed in order to shoot the gunman or gunmen firing from the observation deck that he had observed a single sniper firing from the observation deck. The airplane carrying Lee circled the tower as Lee attempted to shoot the sniper; however, the turbulence proved too great for him to shoot. Whitman was himself able to fire upon the airplane, although the airplane was able to continue to circle the tower from a greater distance until the end of the incident.

source

  • 12.16.2012 9:27 PM PDT

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Posted by: Awesomo95
why not just cancel the whole educational program and have mandatory draft starting at age 7?


Let's ban sarcasm so you can't make a statement like this.

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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Thank you, also its a fallacy of accident, those odds are much much lower than the alternative.[/quote]I have teachers who are terrible at their jobs and hate their students. I don't want them having a goddam gun. Call me crazy, but the teachers of the world are not the smartest or best bunch.


True, however read my post in the "stolen thread" about the safe mechanism.
I did. What if the office doesn't know? Now the teacher is stuck trying to open a safe they can't open as they are gunned down. Now the killer has ANOTHER gun.

Posted by: ankerd123
So are you inferring that after the gun man has murdered everyone then commited suicide that the policeman being there is helpful...?
You are all very thick headed. Who will get there faster, the officer on duty, or the responding squad car? Yeah. It's also a deterrent, who's going to attack the small school with an on duty officer?

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Breaking desks/locks is not hard if you're determined enough.

Also: guns are expensive as -blam!-, and that's a -blam!- load of guns. What about my school? Some teachers don't have one room. They have a cart that they take from classroom to classroom as they move around. Does that teacher get a key to each classroom they go to? So if someone robs one of those teachers, let alone two, they hit the jackpot? Or just one room and then they have to hope they're in there when the school gets invaded? Or is the gun kept locked on the cart? That's not very secure at all.
This. Teachers having guns is unsafe and impractical, especially given the kinds of people who can become teachers. Oh and what about substitute teachers?



Someone that has incredibly easy access to guns due to American laws. One single oficer isn't going to stop a determined murderer. Who would attack a class that is near the officer anyway? No-one.

There for waste of money and resources.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 9:30 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 9:29 PM PDT

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Dead-body-ologist at The U.S. Army 18th Medical Command

Posted by: markwil1992

Posted by: Awesomo95
why not just cancel the whole educational program and have mandatory draft starting at age 7?


Let's ban sarcasm so you can't make a statement like this.
Agreed.

  • 12.16.2012 9:29 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: King Leopold789

Posted by: ArchNinja64
Guns in the hands of responsible civilians (who are the vast majority) saves lives.


Approximately 20 minutes after he had first fired from the observation deck, Whitman began to encounter return fire from both the authorities and armed civilians. It is believed that at this point, Whitman ceased to fire from above the parapet surrounding the observation deck and instead chose to fire through waterspouts located upon each side of the tower walls, allowing him to fire largely protected from gunfire below, but also greatly limiting his range of targets. Ramiro Martinez, an officer who participated in stopping Whitman's rampage, later stated that civilian shooters should also be credited for their actions, as the return fire made it difficult for Whitman to take careful aim.[citation needed] Police sharpshooter Marion Lee reported from a small airplane upon which he had been deployed in order to shoot the gunman or gunmen firing from the observation deck that he had observed a single sniper firing from the observation deck. The airplane carrying Lee circled the tower as Lee attempted to shoot the sniper; however, the turbulence proved too great for him to shoot. Whitman was himself able to fire upon the airplane, although the airplane was able to continue to circle the tower from a greater distance until the end of the incident.

source
Return fire from an on duty officer would suffice as well. Who are you going to go after, the guy with the rifle and the SMG who is shooting at you, or the kids who are hiding from you. If I were a killer, I'd go after the threat first. It's just to unsafe to have teachers running around with guns.

  • 12.16.2012 9:31 PM PDT

Remember those times when we all had something better to be doing, but didn't do it? Those were good times. Gooood times

I say we start having mandatory ninja training in schools...

  • 12.16.2012 9:32 PM PDT

One thing I would love to see is a panic button on the underside of every teacher's desk. As soon as something goes awry, that button gets pushed, and the police arrive potentially minutes earlier, saving lives.

  • 12.16.2012 9:33 PM PDT

The US doesn't seem like a very safe place if you constantly live in fear of people shooting up schools, shopping centres, etc...

Perhaps you should aim toward fixing the underlying problems in your society instead.

  • 12.16.2012 9:34 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ankerd123
Someone that has incredibly easy access to guns due to American laws. One single oficer isn't going to stop a determined murderer. Who would attack a class that is near the officer anyway? No-one.

There for waste of money and resources.
Really? So you think an officer with a rifle and and an SMG isn't going to be able to keep a shooter at bay until more forces can arrive? It's already being done at high schools and it works. If there is no officer they have to wait and let the shooter continue his rampage until first responders arrive. If there is an officer he can engage the shooter, stopping his rampage possible permanently until more officers arrive. There is no argument against this. I think the lives of the future of the country are worth tax payer dollars you twat.

  • 12.16.2012 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
The US doesn't seem like a very safe place if you constantly live in fear of people shooting up schools, shopping centres, etc...

Perhaps you should aim toward fixing the underlying problems in your society instead.
What's the underlying problem?

  • 12.16.2012 9:35 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
Someone that has incredibly easy access to guns due to American laws. One single oficer isn't going to stop a determined murderer. Who would attack a class that is near the officer anyway? No-one.

There for waste of money and resources.
Really? So you think an officer with a rifle and and an SMG isn't going to be able to keep a shooter at bay until more forces can arrive? It's already being done at high schools and it works. If there is no officer they have to wait and let the shooter continue his rampage until first responders arrive. If there is an officer he can engage the shooter, stopping his rampage possible permanently until more officers arrive. There is no argument against this. I think the lives of the future of the country are worth tax payer dollars you twat.


I don't.

Like dazza said.

Why don't you just fix the problem instead of wasting money on solutions that are not going to work.

You know what. Lets just go with your idea. Then when the kilers murder more people at school everyone can hate on the officer and police force for not being good enough.

Sounds good. Oh well it's only America who cares anyway.

  • 12.16.2012 9:37 PM PDT

Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...

  • 12.16.2012 9:38 PM PDT
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Posted by: markwil1992

Posted by: dazarobbo
The US doesn't seem like a very safe place if you constantly live in fear of people shooting up schools, shopping centres, etc...

Perhaps you should aim toward fixing the underlying problems in your society instead.
What's the underlying problem?


omg lol

  • 12.16.2012 9:38 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: XGO MONSTROUS
One thing I would love to see is a panic button on the underside of every teacher's desk. As soon as something goes awry, that button gets pushed, and the police arrive potentially minutes earlier, saving lives.
We have that, at least in my district. If the phone is off the hook for longer than 10 seconds it signals the office, who can then listen in and call the police if needed.

Posted by: dazarobbo
The US doesn't seem like a very safe place if you constantly live in fear of people shooting up schools, shopping centres, etc...

Perhaps you should aim toward fixing the underlying problems in your society instead.
There is no way. There will always be a guy who gets a gun somehow. The type of gun is irrelevant, it is impossible to completely stop. There is a whole subculture of insanity where these psychos compete for better "score". I don't have a stop for it, but we can at least prevent it a little better.

  • 12.16.2012 9:39 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...
And a lack of morals. Good people don't shoot up schools.

  • 12.16.2012 9:39 PM PDT

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Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...
The tools upstairs can never reach a compromise regarding these things...they argue and argue and argue thus leading to delays thus leading to incidents.

  • 12.16.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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