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I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
Someone that has incredibly easy access to guns due to American laws. One single oficer isn't going to stop a determined murderer. Who would attack a class that is near the officer anyway? No-one.

There for waste of money and resources.
Really? So you think an officer with a rifle and and an SMG isn't going to be able to keep a shooter at bay until more forces can arrive? It's already being done at high schools and it works. If there is no officer they have to wait and let the shooter continue his rampage until first responders arrive. If there is an officer he can engage the shooter, stopping his rampage possible permanently until more officers arrive. There is no argument against this. I think the lives of the future of the country are worth tax payer dollars you twat.


I don't.

Like dazza said.

Why don't you just fix the problem instead of wasting money on solutions that are not going to work.

You know what. Lets just go with your idea. Then when the kilers murder more people at school everyone can hate on the officer and police force for not being good enough.

Sounds good. Oh well it's only America who cares anyway.
Then you really are an idiot. The shooter in Connecticut had guns. That's all he had. No vests, no training, just guns. An officer has training, guns, and a vest, among other things. If you don't think he could hold his own better than some random shooter you are an idiot. Who says it doesn't work? When was the last major high school shooting? It's been a while. The officer is a deterrent and it works.

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...
That's a heavy order, for any country.

  • 12.16.2012 9:43 PM PDT


Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...
Getting a little too political at this point. It's hard to come to perfection with that, impossible in fact. Humans are greedy.

  • 12.16.2012 9:46 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
Someone that has incredibly easy access to guns due to American laws. One single oficer isn't going to stop a determined murderer. Who would attack a class that is near the officer anyway? No-one.

There for waste of money and resources.
Really? So you think an officer with a rifle and and an SMG isn't going to be able to keep a shooter at bay until more forces can arrive? It's already being done at high schools and it works. If there is no officer they have to wait and let the shooter continue his rampage until first responders arrive. If there is an officer he can engage the shooter, stopping his rampage possible permanently until more officers arrive. There is no argument against this. I think the lives of the future of the country are worth tax payer dollars you twat.


I don't.

Like dazza said.

Why don't you just fix the problem instead of wasting money on solutions that are not going to work.

You know what. Lets just go with your idea. Then when the kilers murder more people at school everyone can hate on the officer and police force for not being good enough.

Sounds good. Oh well it's only America who cares anyway.
Then you really are an idiot. The shooter in Connecticut had guns. That's all he had. No vests, no training, just guns. An officer has training, guns, and a vest, among other things. If you don't think he could hold his own better than some random shooter you are an idiot. Who says it doesn't work? When was the last major high school shooting? It's been a while. The officer is a deterrent and it works.

Posted by: dazarobbo
Posted by: markwil1992
What's the underlying problem?
The things that cause/lead to crime.

Lack of education, poverty, inequality, medical care, etc...
That's a heavy order, for any country.



You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol

  • 12.16.2012 9:49 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: ankerd123
You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol
No, you're implying that. The only thing I have said is he could get there far faster than any other response unit. That is not something that is debatable.

  • 12.16.2012 9:53 PM PDT

My high school has implemented a new lockdown safety procedure this year in case of a shooter at our school in the future. What happens is that the students all are gathered in an area but spread out rather than clumped and they take off their shoes, get out books and notebooks and calculators or whatever they can hold that can hurt, and they prepare to throw the items at a shooter should they come in. People do this from both sides of the room, the people closest to the door tackle the shooter who is being pelted with stuff.

We only have this because our security head is involved with the FBI and cops as her served with both and they discussed a defense against shooters. All classrooms near where the shooter would protect themselves this way as the other side of the school would run out of the building (we are guided by the PA for where the shooter is, we also have a system to know it is the principal talking without a gun to his head or something)

[Edited on 12.16.2012 9:55 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 9:54 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol
No, you're implying that. The only thing I have said is he could get there far faster than any other response unit. That is not something that is debatable.


And radio. Don't have to deal with dispatch asking questions or anything. Cops tend to respond pretty quick to one of their own.

  • 12.16.2012 9:56 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: bergXX09
My high school has implemented a new lockdown safety procedure this year in case of a shooter at our school in the future. What happens is that the students all are gathered in an area but spread out rather than clumped and they take off their shoes, get out books and notebooks and calculators or whatever they can hold that can hurt, and they prepare to throw the items at a shooter should they come in. People do this from both sides of the room, the people closest to the door tackle the shooter who is being pelted with stuff.

We only have this because our security head is involved with the FBI and cops as her served with both and they discussed a defense against shooters. All classrooms near where the shooter would protect themselves this way as the other side of the school would run out of the building (we are guided by the PA for where the shooter is, we also have a system to know it is the principal talking without a gun to his head or something)
That sounds...horrible. No offense, that is just really insane.

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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol
No, you're implying that. The only thing I have said is he could get there far faster than any other response unit. That is not something that is debatable.


And radio. Don't have to deal with dispatch asking questions or anything. Cops tend to respond pretty quick to one of their own.
Exactly. It shouldn't even really be a question, it's a matter of speed with this.

  • 12.16.2012 10:03 PM PDT

Then if nobody is willing to do anything drastic, this problem is unlikely to just go away; it will probably just get worse.

I feel sorry for people living in America. I really do.

  • 12.16.2012 10:03 PM PDT

GOAT

New Zealand seems like a peaceful place..

  • 12.16.2012 10:04 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: dazarobbo
Then if nobody is willing to do anything drastic, this problem is unlikely to just go away; it will probably just get worse.

I feel sorry for people living in America. I really do.
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  • 12.16.2012 10:08 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.


Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: dazarobbo
Then if nobody is willing to do anything drastic, this problem is unlikely to just go away; it will probably just get worse.

I feel sorry for people living in America. I really do.
*sigh* [reluctant]australianmasterrace[/reluctant]
I will not lie, I am mildly concerned for school this week, though I am sick so I have that going for a few days. Really though, I imagine there will be idiots en mass this week.

  • 12.16.2012 10:15 PM PDT
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Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol
No, you're implying that. The only thing I have said is he could get there far faster than any other response unit. That is not something that is debatable.


Okay then.
Yes he can get there faster but it's not going to stop murder. he can just look at the dead bodies before everyone else! yaaay

Oh and waste money too.

  • 12.16.2012 10:19 PM PDT


Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: bergXX09
My high school has implemented a new lockdown safety procedure this year in case of a shooter at our school in the future. What happens is that the students all are gathered in an area but spread out rather than clumped and they take off their shoes, get out books and notebooks and calculators or whatever they can hold that can hurt, and they prepare to throw the items at a shooter should they come in. People do this from both sides of the room, the people closest to the door tackle the shooter who is being pelted with stuff.

We only have this because our security head is involved with the FBI and cops as her served with both and they discussed a defense against shooters. All classrooms near where the shooter would protect themselves this way as the other side of the school would run out of the building (we are guided by the PA for where the shooter is, we also have a system to know it is the principal talking without a gun to his head or something)
That sounds...horrible. No offense, that is just really insane.

Throwing stuff at the shooter to distract them and preventing from shooting and having other people take them down is insane, but sitting in a corner like the kids did in Connecticut and getting picked off one by one is smarter?

Try aiming accurately or even holding a gun while thick Bibles and books and items are in your way or hitting your body and hands.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:20 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:19 PM PDT

I don't see you doing anything to help our country.
Except sitting at home, naked, eating twinkies, rubbing your hands together going "Heh. Target Destroyed. Mission Accomplished." Oh wait. that's not helping.

Posted by: ankerd123

Posted by: Black Eagle X99

Posted by: ankerd123
You're implying that the officer is going to be able to magically appear exaclty before the gunman shoots kids and stops all the bullets then takes him down. No one harmed in the process. Just magically appears exactly in the class room the gunman is in before he can take any shots. lol
No, you're implying that. The only thing I have said is he could get there far faster than any other response unit. That is not something that is debatable.


Okay then.
Yes he can get there faster but it's not going to stop murder. he can just look at the dead bodies before everyone else! yaaay

Oh and waste money too.
Or it wouldn't happen in the first place, because no shooter wants to be face to face to a guy with a rifle?

Posted by: bergXX09

Posted by: Black Eagle X99
Posted by: bergXX09
My high school has implemented a new lockdown safety procedure this year in case of a shooter at our school in the future. What happens is that the students all are gathered in an area but spread out rather than clumped and they take off their shoes, get out books and notebooks and calculators or whatever they can hold that can hurt, and they prepare to throw the items at a shooter should they come in. People do this from both sides of the room, the people closest to the door tackle the shooter who is being pelted with stuff.

We only have this because our security head is involved with the FBI and cops as her served with both and they discussed a defense against shooters. All classrooms near where the shooter would protect themselves this way as the other side of the school would run out of the building (we are guided by the PA for where the shooter is, we also have a system to know it is the principal talking without a gun to his head or something)
That sounds...horrible. No offense, that is just really insane.

Throwing stuff at the shooter to distract them and preventing from shooting and having other people take them down is insane, but sitting in a corner like the kids did in Connecticut and getting picked off one by one is smarter?
I suppose it is better.

  • 12.16.2012 10:21 PM PDT

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