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Subject: Should Teachers and Staff be allowed to carry firearms?

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Posted by: Makko Mace

This would/could come out of the teachers own pocket.
Lol. Because teachers don't already spend enough on supplies...

  • 12.16.2012 9:33 PM PDT
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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
What if there is some kid being bullied to the point of where he becomes homicidal? That makes the gun easier to get. Or what if a teacher loses his cool, and snaps? Any smart kid could steal it, and find a way around it.


If the kid is able to crack open a locked gun case, hes going to be able to get his hands on a gun one way or another.

As to a teacher losing their cool, well if a teachers is so close to cracking that he'll open up on his kids then I don't think that him just bringing a weapon to school is unlikely. But still, fallacies of appeal to consequences and accident.

You don't even have to crack the safe, you steal it. I'm sure its easier to steal a safe then steal a gun from a gun owner. You also really think parents would let their kids go to a school where firearms are on campus. Or are in the possession of a teacher? No, terrible idea. You'd also have to have teachers that are pro-gun.

  • 12.16.2012 9:34 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
No its not a true solution, that lies in mental health and society in general (why is going on a rampage even a thing?), but this would be relatively simple and cost effective.
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Your solution to people coming to a populated area and killing people is to arm civilians with no prior firearms training with guns. This isn't a video game where everybody suddenly knows how to 360 quickscope the minute their fingers touch the trigger.

  • 12.16.2012 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

This would/could come out of the teachers own pocket.
Lol. Because teachers don't already spend enough on supplies...


Yes, because not every teacher would do it, it should not happen.

This level of reasoning..

  • 12.16.2012 9:35 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
No its not a true solution, that lies in mental health and society in general (why is going on a rampage even a thing?), but this would be relatively simple and cost effective.
patrickstewartfacepalm.jpeg

Your solution to people coming to a populated area and killing people is to arm civilians with no prior firearms training with guns.


No its not.

If you'd read this thread you would of heard mention of the special training course/certification class as brought it up at least twice.

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Posted by: MadMax888

Posted by: Makko Mace

This would/could come out of the teachers own pocket.
Lol. Because teachers don't already spend enough on supplies...


The 50 bucks a year they get isn't enough for a gun too? Maybe a hi point. It'll get one round off at least, if it can go into battery lol.

  • 12.16.2012 9:36 PM PDT

Unreal, isn't it?

I have to agree with people who say it isn't safe for teachers to have the weapons around kids. There's too much danger of abuse of authority or teens taking the guns and using them. For little kids the second danger isn't there, and the first is probably less likely. I think a better solution is in making sure people can't get onto campuses without having proper clearance, and having at least a guard at the entrance.

I can see allowing teachers with concealed carry permits etc. to bring their weapons, but I still don't like it. Any sort of compulsory arming would be idiotic at best though.

  • 12.16.2012 9:38 PM PDT

Posted by: aBlueBookshelf
Goat was famous. Irie was infamous. Gh0st was FaMaS.

My stats in Halol 4

Typical Waypoint post.
no it's "its got to go" you wouldn't say the "it is got to go" would you?


Posted by: Makko Mace

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Posted by: Makko Mace
No its not a true solution, that lies in mental health and society in general (why is going on a rampage even a thing?), but this would be relatively simple and cost effective.
patrickstewartfacepalm.jpeg

Your solution to people coming to a populated area and killing people is to arm civilians with no prior firearms training with guns.


No its not.

If you'd read this thread you would of heard mention of the special training course/certification class as brought it up at least twice.
It's idiotic. Why spend money on training teachers to shoot other people? Why don't you stop spending money teaching people how to kill other people and start spending it on -blam!- that makes sure sociopaths, psychopaths and other disturbed people can't get their hands on guns in the first place?

  • 12.16.2012 9:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: IlluminatiNWO

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
What if there is some kid being bullied to the point of where he becomes homicidal? That makes the gun easier to get. Or what if a teacher loses his cool, and snaps? Any smart kid could steal it, and find a way around it.


If the kid is able to crack open a locked gun case, hes going to be able to get his hands on a gun one way or another.

As to a teacher losing their cool, well if a teachers is so close to cracking that he'll open up on his kids then I don't think that him just bringing a weapon to school is unlikely. But still, fallacies of appeal to consequences and accident.

You don't even have to crack the safe, you steal it. I'm sure its easier to steal a safe then steal a gun from a gun owner. You also really think parents would let their kids go to a school where firearms are on campus. Or are in the possession of a teacher? No, terrible idea. You'd also have to have teachers that are pro-gun.


A lighter gun safe weighs 100 pounds. A locksmith would be required to get it open after that. The amount of work involved would be stupid, there are much easier ways to get a gun.

For parents, it depends on the area, just because parents don't want it doesn't mean its not a good idea, look at vaccines.

You wouldn't need teachers to be pro gun, tho most likely only pro gun teachers would take advantage of this.

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Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
What if there is some kid being bullied to the point of where he becomes homicidal? That makes the gun easier to get. Or what if a teacher loses his cool, and snaps? Any smart kid could steal it, and find a way around it.


If the kid is able to crack open a locked gun case, hes going to be able to get his hands on a gun one way or another.

As to a teacher losing their cool, well if a teachers is so close to cracking that he'll open up on his kids then I don't think that him just bringing a weapon to school is unlikely. But still, fallacies of appeal to consequences and accident.

You don't even have to crack the safe, you steal it. I'm sure its easier to steal a safe then steal a gun from a gun owner. You also really think parents would let their kids go to a school where firearms are on campus. Or are in the possession of a teacher? No, terrible idea. You'd also have to have teachers that are pro-gun.


A lighter gun safe weighs 100 pounds. A locksmith would be required to get it open after that. The amount of work involved would be stupid, there are much easier ways to get a gun.

For parents, it depends on the area, just because parents don't want it doesn't mean its not a good idea, look at vaccines.

You wouldn't need teachers to be pro gun, tho most likely only pro gun teachers would take advantage of this.
And then the anti-gun principal wouldn't let him on school grounds.

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While some punk kid overpowering a teacher and stealing the gun during an emotional outburst apparently isn't reason enough to keep weapons out of the classroom, hopefully the first grader that finds the gun because of an irresponsible teacher and deciding to play Halo with it or something.

  • 12.16.2012 9:43 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace
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Posted by: Makko Mace
Posted by: IlluminatiNWO
What if there is some kid being bullied to the point of where he becomes homicidal? That makes the gun easier to get. Or what if a teacher loses his cool, and snaps? Any smart kid could steal it, and find a way around it.


If the kid is able to crack open a locked gun case, hes going to be able to get his hands on a gun one way or another.

As to a teacher losing their cool, well if a teachers is so close to cracking that he'll open up on his kids then I don't think that him just bringing a weapon to school is unlikely. But still, fallacies of appeal to consequences and accident.

You don't even have to crack the safe, you steal it. I'm sure its easier to steal a safe then steal a gun from a gun owner. You also really think parents would let their kids go to a school where firearms are on campus. Or are in the possession of a teacher? No, terrible idea. You'd also have to have teachers that are pro-gun.


A lighter gun safe weighs 100 pounds. A locksmith would be required to get it open after that. The amount of work involved would be stupid, there are much easier ways to get a gun.

For parents, it depends on the area, just because parents don't want it doesn't mean its not a good idea, look at vaccines.

You wouldn't need teachers to be pro gun, tho most likely only pro gun teachers would take advantage of this.
And then the anti-gun principal wouldn't let him on school grounds.


And then be fired because this would be a law...

  • 12.16.2012 9:51 PM PDT

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Posted by: Frosan
While some punk kid overpowering a teacher and stealing the gun during an emotional outburst apparently isn't reason enough to keep weapons out of the classroom, hopefully the first grader that finds the gun because of an irresponsible teacher and deciding to play Halo with it or something.


How is the first grader going to crack open a gun safe?

  • 12.16.2012 9:52 PM PDT

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maybe locked up in the principles office, but not on person. I don't know about you, but I would be very disturbed if my teachers had guns on them.

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Posted by: Makko Mace

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While some punk kid overpowering a teacher and stealing the gun during an emotional outburst apparently isn't reason enough to keep weapons out of the classroom, hopefully the first grader that finds the gun because of an irresponsible teacher and deciding to play Halo with it or something.


How is the first grader going to crack open a gun safe?


I'm confused. The teachers now have a gun safe?

Don't get me wrong, I like having my guns and my sister is a first grade teacher that was vehemently against anything gun. Now she wants her ccw, but I don't trust anyone with a gun besides myself.

I don't trust the irresponsible teachers that won't use your safe excuse they're lazy. I don't trust the thug in class that gets pissed and overpowers a teacher for her weapon in a moment of rage. I don't trust people like my sister to routinely go to the range and practice properly.

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  • 12.16.2012 10:09 PM PDT

Security guards. We shouldn't have to teach teachers how to use firearms. And most high schools already pay unarmed officers to watch the parking lot so I know it's just because schools don't want to shell out extra money for such an unlikely event.

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  • 12.16.2012 10:14 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

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It's also interesting how people think that having a gun would save them in case there is a shooting. You're not James Bond, you probably couldn't do -blam!- in that situation, even if you had a gun. So stop talking like guns are going to save you.


Wut.

This level of logic....


Yes, not being able to shoot the man killing children is the answer here, its not like his gun is useful in stopping people from doing things.

Wait.
What I'm saying is that 99% of people would just panic in the situation and possibly cause even more deaths. People are just people after all, not superheroes.

  • 12.16.2012 10:46 PM PDT

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