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Subject: How Teachers Should Have Guns In School (Continuation of poll thread)


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18
It really doesn't take a month to train someone on any one particular platform.

Even extensive advanced courses are only 3 days.

A good instructor can have a new shooter hitting targets like they had done it their whole life at the end of a days session.
Shooting targets in a relaxed enviorment is nothing compared to when you are shot at. Police go through training exercises for MUCH longer and still have trouble hitting people when they are being shot at.


And so do the serial killers, actually they ofen have much less training.
And serial killers have mental problems to the point where self preservation isnt at the top of their list

  • 12.16.2012 10:29 PM PDT


Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18
It really doesn't take a month to train someone on any one particular platform.

Even extensive advanced courses are only 3 days.

A good instructor can have a new shooter hitting targets like they had done it their whole life at the end of a days session.
Shooting targets in a relaxed enviorment is nothing compared to when you are shot at. Police go through training exercises for MUCH longer and still have trouble hitting people when they are being shot at.


There are classes

Magpul Dynamics is a 3 day course.
Is their life on the line in that course? No. Exactly. It is a completely different story when you think you might die.

  • 12.16.2012 10:30 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18
It really doesn't take a month to train someone on any one particular platform.

Even extensive advanced courses are only 3 days.

A good instructor can have a new shooter hitting targets like they had done it their whole life at the end of a days session.
Shooting targets in a relaxed enviorment is nothing compared to when you are shot at. Police go through training exercises for MUCH longer and still have trouble hitting people when they are being shot at.


And so do the serial killers, actually they ofen have much less training.
And serial killers have mental problems to the point where self preservation isnt at the top of their list


Relevant

Cops often kill criminals with guns, many of these officers have not had extensive military grade training.

  • 12.16.2012 10:31 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18
It really doesn't take a month to train someone on any one particular platform.

Even extensive advanced courses are only 3 days.

A good instructor can have a new shooter hitting targets like they had done it their whole life at the end of a days session.
Shooting targets in a relaxed enviorment is nothing compared to when you are shot at. Police go through training exercises for MUCH longer and still have trouble hitting people when they are being shot at.


There are classes

Magpul Dynamics is a 3 day course.
Is their life on the line in that course? No. Exactly. It is a completely different story when you think you might die.


Are the lives of LEOs at risk in training?

How about a soldier in basic training?

Are any of them actively being shot at during training?

By your logic anyone that isn't shot at during training is not prepared for an active threat scenario.

  • 12.16.2012 10:32 PM PDT


Posted by: SpartanMk18

Posted by: Cheesusslice
because a gunmen is going to let the teacher unlock the gun case before he starts shooting up the place???




There isn't a quick solution to a problem like this....


also, putting guns in the hands of stressed out school teachers with their own personal problems and possible mental issues is the dumbest solution possible.







How about revoking gun free zones, and allowing teachers who own a firearm to bring it to school?

People who shoot often tend to be the most well mannered, calm people you can meet. I always feel so welcome when I got to the range.


Before the creation of gun free school zones, teachers would often come to school armed. There have even been a few mass shootings that were stopped by armed educators.



more guns, or less guns, aren't the issue....


It's prevention that's the issue.




I'm just thinking this up as I go, so it isn't gonna be a great idea, just for the spirit of discussion.


There are lots of places that prevent shootings like this from happening. (I.E. someone strolling in and shooting the place up) Like the white house, or military bases, or even prisons. The reason why those places don't let people stroll in is because they have a perimeter that is guarded/monitored constantly, and has very few entrances and exits a great distance away from whatever it is they perimeter is meant to protect.

The entrances/exits, act as checkpoints, no weapons beyond that point. Period. If a gunmen shoots up the entrance or exit, the main facility goes into super high alert and is locked down so fast, the gunmen won't be able to get anywhere near the place.

So basically, maybe schools should be like prisons, except they should be happy on the inside.....

and would cost a crap ton more.

  • 12.16.2012 10:32 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: SpartanMk18
It really doesn't take a month to train someone on any one particular platform.

Even extensive advanced courses are only 3 days.

A good instructor can have a new shooter hitting targets like they had done it their whole life at the end of a days session.
Shooting targets in a relaxed enviorment is nothing compared to when you are shot at. Police go through training exercises for MUCH longer and still have trouble hitting people when they are being shot at.


And so do the serial killers, actually they ofen have much less training.
And serial killers have mental problems to the point where self preservation isnt at the top of their list


Relevant

Cops often kill criminals with guns, many of these officers have not had extensive military grade training.
hundreds of rounds were fired between both sides and NO ONE died. This was within like 20 feet of eachother.

No disrespect to these officers, they are heroes to me. Just showing that training only goes so far. Shooting in a shooting range is much different than when you are being fired at

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:36 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:33 PM PDT

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Chicken, read spartans post.

No one died, huh?

As opposed to how many in CT?

  • 12.16.2012 10:35 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace
Chicken, read spartans post.

No one died, huh?

As opposed to how many in CT?
Yea, no one died in the gunfight. The guy surrendered because he ran out of ammo. That is a fight with police. Imagine a schoolteacher. Also what do I have to read. He is saying that someone can hit a piece of paper. That is nothing compared to a person firing at you.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:38 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:37 PM PDT

Key

Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!

  • 12.16.2012 10:38 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!


Or just have a lock as well....

But seriously, this nitpicking is inane.

  • 12.16.2012 10:41 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace
Chicken, read spartans post.

No one died, huh?

As opposed to how many in CT?
Yea, no one died in the gunfight. The guy surrendered because he ran out of ammo. That is a fight with police. Imagine a schoolteacher. Also what do I have to read. He is saying that someone can hit a piece of paper. That is nothing compared to a person firing at you.


Okay so your saying they might just shoot at eachother and miss until they both (assuming only one teacher is armed) run out of ammo.

Still not seeing a downside.

  • 12.16.2012 10:42 PM PDT

Teachers dont become teachers to kill someone. The thing is a lot of people wouldnt be able to pull the trigger even in a situation like that. Most people's instinct is to run and hide. Look at WW2. A lot of soldiers on D-Day never fired their weapon because they were scared. The military completely changed their training to eliminate this. Teachers arent going to have military training, or anything remotely similar.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:45 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:42 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace
Chicken, read spartans post.

No one died, huh?

As opposed to how many in CT?
Yea, no one died in the gunfight. The guy surrendered because he ran out of ammo. That is a fight with police. Imagine a schoolteacher. Also what do I have to read. He is saying that someone can hit a piece of paper. That is nothing compared to a person firing at you.


Okay so your saying they might just shoot at eachother and miss until they both (assuming only one teacher is armed) run out of ammo.

Still not seeing a downside.
No. The teacher would end up just being killed. Police can stay calm in this situation, teachers most likely wouldnt, and each officer would have carried two extra clips for their guns. How much ammo will a teacher have on them?

[Edited on 12.16.2012 10:43 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 10:43 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!


Or just have a lock as well....

But seriously, this nitpicking is inane.
It's not nitpicking, it's a situation that could actually happen. Have you seen how elaborate some of these plans get?

Two people work together. One works on getting the combo, the other flips the switch. Murder murder murder murder.

  • 12.16.2012 10:44 PM PDT

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I plan on majoring in education. I want to to be taught how to teach, not use guns.

  • 12.16.2012 10:45 PM PDT

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More guns is not the solution...

Simple solution to killings, especially mass killings, ban semi-automatic pistols, semi-auto rifles, and any assault rifle/smg/combat shotgun.

Allow people to use hunting rifles/ hunting shotguns / magnums to defend themselves. Each of these guns are pretty good for defense, but make pretty bad weapons for going somewhere and killing more than one person and each of these actually have a use outside of firing at a target.

And seriously, no amount of guns/gun training will ever protect you from a person with a gun that catches you offguard...

Besides, I don't understand why people want to fire an assault rifle at a target for a "thrill". Is that "thrill" worth letting someone else have the capability of killing 20+ people by themselves?





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  • 12.16.2012 10:46 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!


Or just have a lock as well....

But seriously, this nitpicking is inane.
It's not nitpicking, it's a situation that could actually happen. Have you seen how elaborate some of these plans get?

Two people work together. One works on getting the combo, the other flips the switch. Murder murder murder murder.


Okay, at this point the Oceans Team of shooters is going to kill a lot of people, and they'd probably just have someone ambush /storm the switch room so no one can open the safes while someone else starts the slaughter.

But if these guys are this coordinated they are going to do some damage regardless of where they attack.

  • 12.16.2012 10:47 PM PDT

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Posted by: King Dutchy
I plan on majoring in education. I want to to be taught how to teach, not use guns.


Then don't make use of this right should this hypothetical scenario come to fruition!

No one is making you do anything!

  • 12.16.2012 10:48 PM PDT


Posted by: Sir Skill
More guns is not the solution...

Simple solution to killings, especially mass killings, ban semi-automatic pistols, semi-auto rifles, and any assault rifle/smg/combat shotgun.

Allow people to use hunting rifles/ hunting shotguns / magnums to defend themselves. Each of these guns are pretty good for defense, but make pretty bad weapons for going somewhere and killing more than one person and each of these actually have a use outside of firing at a target.

And seriously, no amount of guns/gun training will ever protect you from a person with a gun that catches you offguard...

Besides, I don't understand why people want to fire an assault rifle at a target for a "thrill". Is that "thrill" worth letting someone else have the capability of killing 20+ people by themselves?



People will find ways to kill regardless. In the middle east you see bombs to kill mass amount of people. In columbine they almost set off bombs. The way to stop mass killings is by preventing the media from posting hundreds of articles on it. The problem is that they glorify it in a way by making the killer famous. If they didnt do this then people would have no reason to do it in some situations. Columbine might of still happened, but the Con one probably wouldnt have. Neither would the batman one.

  • 12.16.2012 10:49 PM PDT

Who am I?

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I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.

  • 12.16.2012 10:49 PM PDT

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Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.

  • 12.16.2012 10:50 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!


Or just have a lock as well....

But seriously, this nitpicking is inane.
It's not nitpicking, it's a situation that could actually happen. Have you seen how elaborate some of these plans get?

Two people work together. One works on getting the combo, the other flips the switch. Murder murder murder murder.


Okay, at this point the Oceans Team of shooters is going to kill a lot of people, and they'd probably just have someone ambush /storm the switch room so no one can open the safes while someone else starts the slaughter.

But if these guys are this coordinated they are going to do some damage regardless of where they attack.
That is not a lot of coordination required. And if you lock up the guns soooooo much, you'd make it too difficult for a teacher to get the gun out and defend themselves. Is the point to have the teacher over in a corner with gun-in-hand and then have all the kids there with them just in case? Or is it more for if the gunman is right there and "omg quick get the gun!"? If it's the latter, it'd take to long and everyone is now dead.

  • 12.16.2012 10:50 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Sir Skill
More guns is not the solution...

Simple solution to killings, especially mass killings, ban semi-automatic pistols, semi-auto rifles, and any assault rifle/smg/combat shotgun.

Allow people to use hunting rifles/ hunting shotguns / magnums to defend themselves. Each of these guns are pretty good for defense, but make pretty bad weapons for going somewhere and killing more than one person and each of these actually have a use outside of firing at a target.

And seriously, no amount of guns/gun training will ever protect you from a person with a gun that catches you offguard...

Besides, I don't understand why people want to fire an assault rifle at a target for a "thrill". Is that "thrill" worth letting someone else have the capability of killing 20+ people by themselves?



People will find ways to kill regardless. In the middle east you see bombs to kill mass amount of people. In columbine they almost set off bombs. The way to stop mass killings is by preventing the media from posting hundreds of articles on it. The problem is that they glorify it in a way by making the killer famous. If they didnt do this then people would have no reason to do it in some situations. Columbine might of still happened, but the Con one probably wouldnt have. Neither would the batman one.


This is true.

  • 12.16.2012 10:51 PM PDT

Key


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
As redundant as it sounds: police officers are also police officers, not teachers.

  • 12.16.2012 10:51 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
They have extensive training, on top of wanting to do that job. They understand the risk and are willing to take someone's life. Willing to take someone's life should not be on the job description of a teacher. Thats not why people become teacher. Its not just the training, its the mentality.

  • 12.16.2012 10:53 PM PDT

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