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Subject: How Teachers Should Have Guns In School (Continuation of poll thread)

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Problem remains: one crazy person pulls switch and wahoo! free guns for the first person to get to the safe!


Or just have a lock as well....

But seriously, this nitpicking is inane.
It's not nitpicking, it's a situation that could actually happen. Have you seen how elaborate some of these plans get?

Two people work together. One works on getting the combo, the other flips the switch. Murder murder murder murder.


Okay, at this point the Oceans Team of shooters is going to kill a lot of people, and they'd probably just have someone ambush /storm the switch room so no one can open the safes while someone else starts the slaughter.

But if these guys are this coordinated they are going to do some damage regardless of where they attack.
That is not a lot of coordination required. And if you lock up the guns soooooo much, you'd make it too difficult for a teacher to get the gun out and defend themselves. Is the point to have the teacher over in a corner with gun-in-hand and then have all the kids there with them just in case? Or is it more for if the gunman is right there and "omg quick get the gun!"? If it's the latter, it'd take to long and everyone is now dead.


Solution: When switch is triggered, alarm/signal is given.

Now you have what you would have had if the shooters had simply walked into school with a gun (though there is one less teacher thats armed) but anyways, there are far to many what ifs for this scenario.

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Besides the vast majority of killers act alone so...

  • 12.16.2012 10:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

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I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
They have extensive training, on top of wanting to do that job. They understand the risk and are willing to take someone's life. Willing to take someone's life should not be on the job description of a teacher. Thats not why people become teacher. Its not just the training, its the mentality.


And no teacher will opt for this if they don't want the responsiblility....

  • 12.16.2012 10:54 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.

  • 12.16.2012 10:56 PM PDT
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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Sorry for skimming, just read the master switch idea: Kid hits switch, friend in other class gets gun. Shoots everyone in class. 30 dead. yay guns.
Put a code on it?

  • 12.16.2012 10:56 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
They have extensive training, on top of wanting to do that job. They understand the risk and are willing to take someone's life. Willing to take someone's life should not be on the job description of a teacher. Thats not why people become teacher. Its not just the training, its the mentality.


And no teacher will opt for this if they don't want the responsiblility....
The what is the point of this if 95% of teachers wouldnt even opt for it, and the other 5% would get themselves killed. Then you would have a lot of open safes with guns. That way if the killer runs out of ammo he can just grab one of those.

  • 12.16.2012 10:58 PM PDT

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Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.


Oh wait I'm sorry you couldn't read the OP...

Where I mentioned a summer long training course, specifically dedicated to firearms in a shooter situation training. How long is police training? How much is spent on this scenario?

  • 12.16.2012 10:58 PM PDT

I'm an Anarchist. I don't need a government to be a good person, but I'm glad it's here because some of you clearly do.

Teachers should offered the opportunity to carry firearms, but required to take an extensive and through course on firearms safety and firearms laws in order to acquire a tax-paid license that needs to be renewed annually, in order to be allowed to carry a firearm on campus.

These teachers should be required to have their firearm on their person at all times. Appropriate safety measures would be created - video cameras, most likely.

  • 12.16.2012 10:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

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More guns is not the solution...

Simple solution to killings, especially mass killings, ban semi-automatic pistols, semi-auto rifles, and any assault rifle/smg/combat shotgun.

Allow people to use hunting rifles/ hunting shotguns / magnums to defend themselves. Each of these guns are pretty good for defense, but make pretty bad weapons for going somewhere and killing more than one person and each of these actually have a use outside of firing at a target.

And seriously, no amount of guns/gun training will ever protect you from a person with a gun that catches you offguard...

Besides, I don't understand why people want to fire an assault rifle at a target for a "thrill". Is that "thrill" worth letting someone else have the capability of killing 20+ people by themselves?



People will find ways to kill regardless. In the middle east you see bombs to kill mass amount of people. In columbine they almost set off bombs. The way to stop mass killings is by preventing the media from posting hundreds of articles on it. The problem is that they glorify it in a way by making the killer famous. If they didnt do this then people would have no reason to do it in some situations. Columbine might of still happened, but the Con one probably wouldnt have. Neither would the batman one.


Making a bomb in the U.S., especially one capable of doing a lot of damage is very hard to do without getting caught. The FBI has really cracked down on people attempting to make bombs. The government does watch what people check out from libraries/search on the internet. And most people who want to blow something up, need to learn how to make the bomb first. I see of a lot of sting operations that catch these people on news sites, especially if they are affiliated with terrorists in some way.

And I am not saying people don't find ways to kill others. But certain guns/ especially easily concealed handguns, make killing people way easier. If someone entered a school with a knife, he may kill one or two people. But he could easily be over run by a swarm of people or simply couldn't catch a lot of them... A hunting rifle, needs to be reloaded a lot, and it is a lot easier to take someone down who had a hunting rifle by simply charging them...

Most of the firearm murders in the U.S. are done with handguns, Canada bans handguns and look at their murder rate by firearms.

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  • 12.16.2012 10:59 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

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And no teacher will opt for this if they don't want the responsiblility....
The what is the point of this if 95% of teachers wouldnt even opt for it, and the other 5% would get themselves killed. Then you would have a lot of open safes with guns. That way if the killer runs out of ammo he can just grab one of those.
It would also create some sort of pressure for the teachers to be "volunteers", even if they don't have to do it. The ones who receive training would also need to get paid more.

  • 12.16.2012 11:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
They have extensive training, on top of wanting to do that job. They understand the risk and are willing to take someone's life. Willing to take someone's life should not be on the job description of a teacher. Thats not why people become teacher. Its not just the training, its the mentality.


And no teacher will opt for this if they don't want the responsiblility....
The what is the point of this if 95% of teachers wouldnt even opt for it, and the other 5% would get themselves killed. Then you would have a lot of open safes with guns. That way if the killer runs out of ammo he can just grab one of those.


why would a teacher have an arsenal?

And you had better back up that claim that a teacher whos taken a months/whoever long is necisary long firearm course would get killed out of hand by a crazed gunman

  • 12.16.2012 11:00 PM PDT

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Posted by: CrazzySnipe55
Sorry for skimming, just read the master switch idea: Kid hits switch, friend in other class gets gun. Shoots everyone in class. 30 dead. yay guns.
Put a code on it?
Then that defeats the purpose that the master switch solves.

  • 12.16.2012 11:01 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.


Oh wait I'm sorry you couldn't read the OP...

Where I mentioned a summer long training course, specifically dedicated to firearms in a shooter situation training. How long is police training? How much is spent on this scenario?
A lot of academy's are six months and they have A LOT of training throughout the academy to help in many different situations.

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  • 12.16.2012 11:02 PM PDT

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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.


Oh wait I'm sorry you couldn't read the OP...

Where I mentioned a summer long training course, specifically dedicated to firearms in a shooter situation training. How long is police training? How much is spent on this scenario?
As if they would remember that training when the actual situation is on. Police officers are people who know their job is to risk their lives, and they are also selected to fit a certain criteria.

You would have to spend a lot more time than one summer to actually be able to function in a real situation and under pressure.

  • 12.16.2012 11:03 PM PDT


Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken

Posted by: Makko Mace
Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
They have extensive training, on top of wanting to do that job. They understand the risk and are willing to take someone's life. Willing to take someone's life should not be on the job description of a teacher. Thats not why people become teacher. Its not just the training, its the mentality.


And no teacher will opt for this if they don't want the responsiblility....
The what is the point of this if 95% of teachers wouldnt even opt for it, and the other 5% would get themselves killed. Then you would have a lot of open safes with guns. That way if the killer runs out of ammo he can just grab one of those.


why would a teacher have an arsenal?

And you had better back up that claim that a teacher whos taken a months/whoever long is necisary long firearm course would get killed out of hand by a crazed gunman
How do I back this up? They have never armed a school up with guns for teachers. Also you basically said there was going to be an arsenal if every class has its own safe. Also look at 9/11 no one seemed to be able to take on a guy with a BOX CUTTER.

  • 12.16.2012 11:04 PM PDT


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Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.


Oh wait I'm sorry you couldn't read the OP...

Where I mentioned a summer long training course, specifically dedicated to firearms in a shooter situation training. How long is police training? How much is spent on this scenario?
As if they would remember that training when the actual situation is on. Police officers are people who know their job is to risk their lives, and they are also selected to fit a certain criteria.

You would have to spend a lot more time than one summer to actually be able to function in a real situation and under pressure.
Exactly. For instance I know some state police agencies where one in every ten thousand apps are accepted.

  • 12.16.2012 11:05 PM PDT

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How to prevent kids from being gunned down at school: Keep a gun in every classroom in America.

I'm glad I live in England.

  • 12.16.2012 11:10 PM PDT

You know they should just arm every kid in the school. They could have a class after lunch to help them train. Imagine hundreds of kids with guns. That would make it really safe.

  • 12.16.2012 11:11 PM PDT

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Posted by: BgBuckinChicken
Exactly. For instance I know some state police agencies where one in every ten thousand apps are accepted.
And I would prefer the teachers to be selected based on their teaching skills and knowledge, not their ability to function in a shoot-out.

  • 12.16.2012 11:13 PM PDT


Posted by: Make117

Posted by: BgBuckinChicken
Exactly. For instance I know some state police agencies where one in every ten thousand apps are accepted.
And I would prefer the teachers to be selected based on their teaching skills and knowledge, not their ability to function in a shoot-out.
Yea, Also think of the people who generally teach elementary school. Usually they are really nice or have been driven crazy by the kids. There has to be a point when you accept that violence will happen in your life. You have to accept that bad stuff will happen. Its the sad truth to living.

Also school shooting just dont happen enough to justify a cost like this.

[Edited on 12.16.2012 11:16 PM PST]

  • 12.16.2012 11:15 PM PDT


Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117

Posted by: Makko Mace

Posted by: Make117
I'll just repeat what I said in the other thread: 99% of people would just panic in the situation and having a gun or guns in that situation could lead to even more deaths.


Just like police officers panic right?

Oh wait they take a training course like these teachers.
Whoa, that must be the dumbest comment I've seen here in a while. Please tell me how teachers in the future are going to get exact same training as police officers.


Oh wait I'm sorry you couldn't read the OP...

Where I mentioned a summer long training course, specifically dedicated to firearms in a shooter situation training. How long is police training? How much is spent on this scenario?
As if they would remember that training when the actual situation is on. Police officers are people who know their job is to risk their lives, and they are also selected to fit a certain criteria.

You would have to spend a lot more time than one summer to actually be able to function in a real situation and under pressure.


What? No you idiot. All you need is a certification course. The teacher trains on his/her own time, like many people do as a hobby. We don't need freakin' SWAT members as teachers, just people who know how to handle and operate a firearm. It's really not that hard.

  • 12.16.2012 11:33 PM PDT

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  • 12.17.2012 12:08 AM PDT

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The cops I saw at my old school have a gun, pepper spray, a tazer, and some other stuff. Unless they are caught unawares I'm fairly confident they might be able to stop a killer.

  • 12.17.2012 12:16 AM PDT

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  • 12.17.2012 12:26 AM PDT

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How to prevent kids from being gunned down at school: Keep a gun in every classroom in America.

I'm glad I live in England.


This.

It's very telling that, when there's been a school shooting, Americans would rather arm the people looking after small children than make it harder for people to obtain guns with which to shoot small children.

"What this situtation needs is definitely more guns..."

  • 12.17.2012 1:12 AM PDT

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